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MissyRane -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 4:37:51 AM)
Bluntly all I can say is bravo finally they killed the bastard! now it's only Osama Bin Laden who's left

UtopianRanger -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 4:40:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: james66 I hope he becomes a matyr. And I hope hw gives US more reasons to bomb the living dalylights out of anybody else who doesn't know the decent difference between right and wrong. Don't be an arsehole. The US started an illegal war for christsake and let's not pretend it was to get Saddsam but for oil. So much for right and wrong. Don't you just love it when someone shows up out of nowhere just to make a few shity, inane posts, just to stir the pot, but then doesn't have the stones to show his profile. No balls whatsoever. - R

ScooterTrash -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 5:24:04 AM)
Well, you can reason till the cows come home that he should have been kept alive and humiliated or tortured all you want, but the example here seems to be, to me; If you kill innocent people, simply because you don't like that particular brand of people...if you are caught, you will be killed back....end of message. Dictatorships in of themselves are not inherently bad...misusing the power to eradicate any particular group of people however, is. This particular dictator use killing his opponents as a way to gain power and fear as a way to stay there...it only seems fitting that his reward in the end, is that he was executed.

ShiftedJewel -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 5:24:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: james66 grow up and see how the world works! Mao killed 70 million people and people like you sit there fiddling with your thumbs discussing whether a war is legal or not. Jesus! Had Saddam been the president of Lichtenstein he wouldn't have lasted a year. You reckon the free world would let people like that threaten our way of life? Even Reagan would have taken him it out long before there would be talk about a trial But go back to your support of these criminals. they're nothing more than bullies. and the day you're at the receiving end, luckily for you there are intelligent people on your side. but go to page 4513 on legal war book....some interesting paragrapha there.... ha ha....illegal war?????? where do you ler get it all from? Why isn't the US taking out all the other tyrants? They have no oil is my guess. Yeah, the US really believes in the rule of law. Give me a break. *You know? I asked that very same question this morning... The trick to staying in power as a genocidal dictator is first... have no oil!! And second... don't piss off the president or his daddy.* *Jewel*

JerseyKrissi72 -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 5:26:02 AM)
I am not a big fan of the death penalty but would have to say I'm not a big fan of paying for some asshole who doesn't deserve to live to spend the rest of his natural life in jail ....His people had a right for justice...he was a monster. May he burn in hell.

magicone -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 5:39:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Well there are some people where Saddam killed up to a dozen family members. I don't think anyone can even attempt to relate to that kind of a loss. We arnt talking about simply murder or even a serial killer here. Saddam was a genocidal madman. He is in the same class of guys like Hitler, Pol Pot, or Mussalini who all had slaughtered mass numbers of their own people. So we are dealing with a completely different type of criminal. And there is absolutely no question to his guilt. sorry to say - but what about Mr.Bush?? etc.. etc... its in human nature - give humans power and they use it.. independent be for sake or suffer... most humans are not able to deal with power... does make killing in the name of justice a better killing??? myself i am against death penality in general.. i do not believe the world will become a better place cause we claim revenge and act like an eye for an eye.. a tooth for a tooth.. but thats just me...

Chaingang -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 5:44:00 AM)
I oppose the death penalty, so this is bad news to me. Making a martyr out of this guy is counter to any legitimate purposes we may have had in trying the man under the law. Does he possibly deserve hanging and perhaps even far worse? Most probably. Civilized societies do not impose the death penalty.

meatcleaver -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 5:54:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JerseyKrissi72 I am not a big fan of the death penalty but would have to say I'm not a big fan of paying for some asshole who doesn't deserve to live to spend the rest of his natural life in jail ....His people had a right for justice...he was a monster. May he burn in hell. But what about the cost of the war and the thousands and thousands of deaths? Saddam's death penalty has been very exspensive indeed. It also appears that in the Arab world Saddam's execution is being seen as an American act rather than an Iraqi act.

sharainks -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 6:17:43 AM)
I have to agree with Lordandmaster on this topic. I think the world would have been better served by letting him live out his life without further fame or ado. Withering away, if you would, with no one knowing or caring about him. Oddly enough I felt for his daughters this morning as they were interviewed. No matter what he did to others apparently he was loved by them. ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster I'm a little surprised that they executed him. What's the point? They kept Rudolf Hess for years in Spandau. That kind of situation makes more sense to me. It's hard to take the moral high ground when you're executing your prisoners too. [/quote]

ScooterTrash -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 6:44:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chaingang Civilized societies do not impose the death penalty. Had we been dealing with a civilized criminal..I might be inclined to agree with you Chaingang. But historically, this individual was anything but civilized...somehow the punishment fitting the crime seems logical in this case. If nothing else, hopefully the possibility of death being the penalty, serves as some sort of deterrent for the next "leader" who decides that killing humans for a personal cause, is justifiable.

Rumtiger -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 6:49:51 AM)
And if we had let him lived? That dosent mean the world would have become nice and rosey, the truth is we're in a situation where we're damned if we do, damned if we dont. He dies, we get the chance of him becoming a martyr and more conflict, he lives, the Iraqis who actually like us feel betrayed and the guys on the ground are still exposed to worse odds.

FangsNfeet -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 7:02:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Don't be an arsehole. The US started an illegal war for christsake and let's not pretend it was to get Saddsam but for oil. So much for right and wrong. An illegal war? For over a decade, Saddam was told to stay behind a certain line and to allow inspectors to do there job. However, Saddam refused to work with UN officials. He crossed the line every chance he had. After a few slaps on the wrist and some air bombings, Saddam still would not do what he was suppose to do. The Iraq war happened because he refused to follow UN policy. If he had done so, he would have not been suspicious of having WMDs. When you don't allow inspectors to look around the place, it can only be assumed that you're up to something naughty. Year after year Saddam was warned and he kept calling Bull Shit on the UN and the USA thinking it was a bluff. He was warned one to many times and the time came where more than just a two plane air strike was needed.

meatcleaver -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 7:23:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet An illegal war? For over a decade, Saddam was told to stay behind a certain line and to allow inspectors to do there job. However, Saddam refused to work with UN officials. He crossed the line every chance he had. After a few slaps on the wrist and some air bombings, Saddam still would not do what he was suppose to do. The Iraq war happened because he refused to follow UN policy. If he had done so, he would have not been suspicious of having WMDs. When you don't allow inspectors to look around the place, it can only be assumed that you're up to something naughty. Year after year Saddam was warned and he kept calling Bull Shit on the UN and the USA thinking it was a bluff. He was warned one to many times and the time came where more than just a two plane air strike was needed. The US refused to give the UN time to finish its job in Iraq which is why Germany and France refused to have anything to do with the war, both saying all indications are that Saddam had no WMD and glory be...HE DIDN'T! Basically if anyone was talking bullshit it was the Bush administration. Just look at the film of Colin Powel giving evidence to the UN of the existence of Iraq's WMD. The man was curling up with embarrassment. Repeat: The idea the UN didn't do its job is absolute bullshit, the US wouldn't allow it to do its job!!!!

mnottertail -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 7:31:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet An illegal war? For over a decade, Saddam was told to stay behind a certain line and to allow inspectors to do there job. However, Saddam refused to work with UN officials. He crossed the line every chance he had. After a few slaps on the wrist and some air bombings, Saddam still would not do what he was suppose to do. The Iraq war happened because he refused to follow UN policy. If he had done so, he would have not been suspicious of having WMDs. When you don't allow inspectors to look around the place, it can only be assumed that you're up to something naughty. Year after year Saddam was warned and he kept calling Bull Shit on the UN and the USA thinking it was a bluff. He was warned one to many times and the time came where more than just a two plane air strike was needed. The US refused to give the UN time to finish its job in Iraq which is why Germany and France refused to have anything to do with the war, both saying all indications are that Saddam had no WMD and glory be...HE DIDN'T! Basically if anyone was talking bullshit it was the Bush administration. Just look at the film of Colin Powel giving evidence to the UN of the existence of Iraq's WMD. The man was curling up with embarrassment. Repeat: The idea the UN didn't do its job is absolute bullshit, the US wouldn't allow it to do its job!!!! Couple of things for the history buffs, Kuwait used to be part of Persia, and for ten years he stayed behind the line (I supported wholeheartedly blowing his ass to kingdom come, when he crossed the first time) . Thirdly, nobody and I mean no -fuckin'-body would (even under order of Ganash himself) ever have the right to inspect the United States for a goddamn thing. It just wouldn't be done old boy. Not at all cricket, you see. On our side of the fence we have this ideal called sovernty, which we do not extend to but a few select others. 'Cause we don't play cricket. So, these vignettes, these damn the torpedoes prounouncements are rather less thoughtful than the complexity of the situation at hand. Ron

juliaoceania -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 7:52:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet An illegal war? For over a decade, Saddam was told to stay behind a certain line and to allow inspectors to do there job. However, Saddam refused to work with UN officials. He crossed the line every chance he had. After a few slaps on the wrist and some air bombings, Saddam still would not do what he was suppose to do. The Iraq war happened because he refused to follow UN policy. If he had done so, he would have not been suspicious of having WMDs. When you don't allow inspectors to look around the place, it can only be assumed that you're up to something naughty. Year after year Saddam was warned and he kept calling Bull Shit on the UN and the USA thinking it was a bluff. He was warned one to many times and the time came where more than just a two plane air strike was needed. The US refused to give the UN time to finish its job in Iraq which is why Germany and France refused to have anything to do with the war, both saying all indications are that Saddam had no WMD and glory be...HE DIDN'T! Basically if anyone was talking bullshit it was the Bush administration. Just look at the film of Colin Powel giving evidence to the UN of the existence of Iraq's WMD. The man was curling up with embarrassment. Repeat: The idea the UN didn't do its job is absolute bullshit, the US wouldn't allow it to do its job!!!! The US took it upon itself to uphold the UN sanctions without the blessings of the UN. So basically they went against the will of the world to enforce the will of the world... something seems wrong with that.

adaddysgirl -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 7:53:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissyRane Bluntly all I can say is bravo finally they killed the bastard! now it's only Osama Bin Laden who's left As a native New Yorker, that's the one i'm waiting for. 9-11....guess you just had to be here [:(] DG

Noah -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 8:35:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissyRane Bluntly all I can say is bravo finally they killed the bastard! now it's only Osama Bin Laden who's left Yeah. And once he's dead the War on Terror will be over. Right? If it weren't for this misbegotten war the US is currently losing, there might have been a germ of truth in an idea like that. You attack us, we come for you, and nothing gets in our way. Or to put it in terms of some cardboard character Ronald Reagan might have played in a movie: "I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'" - G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI But instead we watched the following pattern emerge: "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - G.W. Bush, 9/13/01 "...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...." - Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool, The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on official White House site "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 "I am truly not that concerned about him." - G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02) Can somebody say "Flip-Flop"? What do you suppose the odds are that Bin Laden would still be free today if we hadn't hadn't spent the years since 911 "nation building", an activity which Bush explictly promised that his administration would never do? Can somebody say "Flip-Flop"? There is no case to be made that the guy who was just hanged had anything to do with 911. He was an enemy of Bin Laden and the radical Islamists generally. Bush and Co. put aside the project of going after the guy blamed for hitting the US, Bin Laden, to go after one of his enemies instead. In this way, besides leaving Bin Laden free to strike again, Bush and Co. recruited thousands of people to his cause. And as for Scooter Trash's hope that the death penalty will be a deterrent, it wasn't a deterrent for the Arabs who attacked the US on 911, was it? It isn't a deterrrent for the suicide bombers we read about almost every day, is it? I wouldn't invest too much in that hope, bro. The ability to rejoice at the suffering and death of another human being is the pre-requisite for the sort of mayhem we've seen in Manhattan, in Palestine, and in Iraq--among so many other places. I don't respect any man who rejoices in the death of another.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 8:50:35 AM)
It's the "probably" that concerns some of us, jerseybeauty. quote: ORIGINAL: jerseybeauty I am not against the death penalty in anyway. Think about it......if someone is on death row they did not just rob a bank. Maybe they raped and killed a small child or an adult (that is just as bad), or broke into someones house robbed them and killed them. If they are on death row then they probably did some pretty serious shit and they probably deserve to be there!!!

meatcleaver -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 9:04:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash quote: ORIGINAL: Chaingang Civilized societies do not impose the death penalty. Had we been dealing with a civilized criminal..I might be inclined to agree with you Chaingang. But historically, this individual was anything but civilized...somehow the punishment fitting the crime seems logical in this case. If nothing else, hopefully the possibility of death being the penalty, serves as some sort of deterrent for the next "leader" who decides that killing humans for a personal cause, is justifiable. The death penalty shows the victors are not civilized either as they have not risen above those they claim to be morally inferior.

mnottertail -> RE: Saddam Hussein executed (12/30/2006 9:08:22 AM)
Well, at the end of the day, some real and meaningful good has come of this, we now have an official color scheme with which we can denote our fear level. We know that garbagemen are underpaid in Iraq, because picking up garbage bags of dead people should probably be one of those jobs that pays better than minimum wage. We have once and for all, found a way to skirt the issue of the illegality of assasinating a head of state, who doesn't happen to play our game. All in all, I have to say that these are the sorts of advances that make for safer society, don't you agree? Ron

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