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edana -> RE: How do you feel about Gor? (1/3/2007 10:07:33 PM)
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Posted by Leonidas, who never will remember to make sure that his slave wasn't the last one logged in.
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ORIGINAL: RobertCloud
OMG... Where have you been? You have not been reading the news in the last ten years have you?
The incident in Syracuse, NY where a man was found to have an underground bunker and was training women to be sex slaves. He had captured them off the streets. He was a self-proclaimed Gorean Master, and when he was found he was training the kajira in their positions. <snip>
Sorry, this is just plain not true. I actually followed this case very closely because early on it sounded as if this guy might have been a misguided Gorean. Gor and Gorean were never associated with him, at all. If anyone has a credible source to the contrary, I'd love to see it, but again, I followed this case closely end to end, and no association was ever reported.
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There is the self-proclaimed Gorean Master in Arizona that killed three of his slaves because they did not satisfy him anymore and it was his right. They were after all only chattel.
The only case that I know about that is even remotely like this is the SlaveMaster case. He was the guy who sealed his victims in 55 gallon drums. I know about this case because one of the women who was killed was a friend of one of my slaves. If that is the case you're talking about, again, this is just plain false. SlaveMaster never professed to be Gorean, and was never associated with Goreans. He did troll online BDSM chatrooms looking for victims.
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There was the incident in England recently where a group was found having converted an underground air-raid shelter into a training ground. They had kidnapped over 25 women and were training them to be kajira. They called themselves the Gorean League of Britain.
Never heard of this one. Closest I've heard of was the woman who told a friend in the US that she was with some Goreans in England, and wanted to come home, but had burned her passport and return ticket. The police were called and sent to the location, but could find no evidence of a crime. No allegation of kidnapping was ever made. Again, if you have some credible source for this, I'd love to hear it, but if it's like the first story you listed, sorry, but I'm dubious based on your grasp of the facts so far.
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I personally have been contacted by a woman on this site that forces people into financial desitution and then gives them the only way out by forcing them to submit themselves as slaves into their Gorean Group. To prove their devotion to their group they have to perform some sort of initiation. In the case that I was contacted in they were trying to think of a torture to perform on this woman that would force her to then torture her own 14 year old daughter to prove her loyalty.
Bullshit. Not to put too fine a point on it. I have been associated with Goreans for nearly 20 years, and I have never run across a group that operates in a fashion even remotely similar to this. The closest would be some of the earliest biker gangs who claimed to be "Gorean", but that was way before your time, skippy. I don't know if someone fed you a line of crap, or if you are taking a story and "embelishing" as with the first story you reported, but either way, you are speaking out of some orafice that is not associated with your face now.
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No, you are right, NOT ALL GOREANS force people into collars, but I personally have known some that have, and you can read the papers every so often and find stories like these where others have. And you can NEVER tell me that a CHILD raised in a Gorean family that is raped as a child and brought up into the lifestyle before she is even 10 years of age was given a choice in the matter.
About like you personally know the facts of the Pennsylvania case?
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I cannot tell you how many of these stories I have heard and of these stories I have heard, yes some are in regular BDSM families, but by far they are outnumbered by families that are Gorean by more than 10 to 1. I even know of one incident where the child was seven and when the police asked her if she knew what a Gorean Bow was, she showed them.
Got any evidence (from someone a little more credible than you, at this point, please) of this? I'd love to see it. Educate me.
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The Gorean Bow is NOT EVEN IN THE BOOKS. It is strictly a sexual use position created by online players and is nothing but a perversion of what the books offered.
Marauders of Gor, page 261. Any other wild assertions you'd like to make while you're at it?
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These are some of the reasons I left Gor. The worst part about it is that though Goreans will say they are not BDSM and BDSMers will say that Goreans are not BDSM... the outside world sees them as the same thing. So whenever a Gorean does one of these Monstrous things it makes the whole BDSM lifestyle look as bad, and BDSM had nothing to do with it. If Gor is NOT BDSM then leave the BDSM boards and find your own... or admit you are a subbranch of BDSM and get over it.
I'd be willing to wager at this point that the reason you "left Gor" is that you have trouble stringing two true statements together, and you wore out your welcome pretty fast. So, now you're here to spread the gospel according to Robert. Nice.
To the Regulars of the Ask a Mistress Section: Sorry to barge into your section again, but this one was just a little too egregious to let pass without comment. I hope that this guy's post, and my reply, don't derail your thread.
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