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Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 11:28:02 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		Has the idea of an "all knowing" government controlling and deciding what is "good" for you become an accepted goal?

It's no longer "creeping socialism" when your choices of what you see advertised as foods are regulated. It begs the question as to how far can the process be approved. Gone are the days when a commercial for cigarettes was possible. Skull & Crossbones have replaced "Joe Camel" as an advertising icon for that product. But it wasn't enough. Banning the practice in restaurants, and common public areas became standard. Now the same process is occurring with foods. The target du jour is cheese.

I read this in today's Daily Mail:
quote:

TV ban on adverts for cheese, the latest 'junk food'
Cheese is to be treated as junk food under new advertising rules for children's television. Commercials promoting it will be banned during children's TV programmes and those with a large proportion of young viewers.
The rules, which come into force this month, are part of a Government drive to reduce children's exposure to foods high in fat, salt and sugar. Much to the disgust of its makers, cheese is to be regarded in the same light as crisps, sugary cereals and cheeseburgers. In fact, under the criteria used by the Food Standards Agency to determine junk foods, such products are actually regarded as healthier than cheese. Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=426083&in_page_id=1770

Are you all that confident that the government knows what is best for you? Do you believe that having government paid health coverage gives the government the "right" to dictate what you or family eat, drink, smoke? Why stop there? Why should autos be constructed to drive higher than the maximum speed limit? If 3 beers puts you in violation of the public intoxication laws, why can't Pubs be held legally accountable for serving any more than 3 to any one person and be required to tally each customers purchases?

Why are you so willing to surrender personal choice regardless if you personally take advantage of that choice or not? Sooner or later they'll get to something you like to do, eat, see, or drink recreationally or socially.

The article says there is "evidence" that commercial have influence. The very sentence indicates that there is "evidence" that it doesn't. However, the government acted on the evidence that served their goal - reduction of  personal choice and, as a consequence, reduction of personal accountability.

That is my problem with the concept. Again the citizens aren't smart enough or are too easily influence to allow for personal accountability. How much do you need to blame someone else for your life, your over drinking, overeating, over-anything? Is the majority oriented submissive?

Asking because the is a large segment of the US citizens who envies their "Western Brothers" to the east. The European Model is seen as more civilized, more accepting, more cultured. The cradle to grave care provided by a more knowing government; insuring housing, medical coverage, employment, and care; is seen by many here as desirable. Personal accountability and consequence for actions aren't part of the equation because all our deficiencies and problems are caused by outside influences. If the government could just regulate all of them away, society would be "perfect". Do you really believe this?
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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 11:42:03 AM   
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I would ask how you feel about marketing shit food to our children in school. Many many kids get fast food like Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut right at school these days. Soda companies bid to set up their vending machines in different school districts. Our children are facing epidemic obesity, and parents cannot help them make the right choices if they are not there. Is that not a case of capitalism gone awry in the other direction?

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 11:54:30 AM   
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Look, the Lord God in Heaven appointeth the Monarch to rule in His place, with the full authority, majesty and wisdom of the Lord. Due to a misunderstanding of this principle, which ended mainly badly for those who produced the misunderstanding, the people getteth to vote for a Government, which the Monarch using the authority, majesty and wisdom of the Lord, approveth, and unto which the Monarch lendeth the authority, majesty and wisdom of the Lord. Therefore, to question, debate, disobey or rebel against that which the Government ordaineth, is identical in nature and motive, with blasphemy. Thus, all good citizens adhere to any and every piece of nonsense which the Government produceth.

Well, not really.

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 11:56:06 AM   
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Has the idea of an "all knowing" government controlling and deciding what is "good" for you become an accepted goal?
No i don't believe it has but the government of ANY country would like to believe that its citizens are controlled by them.

It's no longer "creeping socialism" when your choices of what you see advertised as foods are regulated It begs the question as to how far can the process be approved. Gone are the days when a commercial for cigarettes was possible. Skull & Crossbones have replaced "Joe Camel" as an advertising icon for that product. But it wasn't enough. Banning the practice in restaurants, and common public areas became standard. Now the same process is occurring with foods. The target du jour is cheese.
Hasn't the ban on smoking also occured in America? Whilst i smoke i think it is those who donts perogative to sit in a smoke free environment to enjoy their meal or drinks.

I read this in today's Daily Mail:
quote:

TV ban on adverts for cheese, the latest 'junk food'
Cheese is to be treated as junk food under new advertising rules for children's television. Commercials promoting it will be banned during children's TV programmes and those with a large proportion of young viewers.
The rules, which come into force this month, are part of a Government drive to reduce children's exposure to foods high in fat, salt and sugar. Much to the disgust of its makers, cheese is to be regarded in the same light as crisps, sugary cereals and cheeseburgers. In fact, under the criteria used by the Food Standards Agency to determine junk foods, such products are actually regarded as healthier than cheese. Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=426083&in_page_id=1770

Are you all that confident that the government knows what is best for you?
Are you confident your government knows best what is right for you? Im sure you will find the same range of answers in the USA as you would in Britian.
Do you believe that having government paid health coverage gives the government the "right" to dictate what you or family eat, drink, smoke?
I dont see it as dictation - i see it as campaigning for a healthier lifestyle for our children. We have a high rate of obesity over here, not as hugh as Americas as i understand it but still anything that can be done to encourage a healthy lifestyle has to be a good thing.
Why stop there?
Im sure they wont
Why should autos be constructed to drive higher than the maximum speed limit?
Huh?
If 3 beers puts you in violation of the public intoxication laws, why can't Pubs be held legally accountable for serving any more than 3 to any one person and be required to tally each customers purchases?
Ok by trade i am a pub manager and that is just ridiculous. 3 beers may put some over the limit whilst some people tolerance is higher, some lower. Unless you know an individuals alcohol tolerance you cannot control this. Also can you imagine 30 staff in a night club trying to control over 3000 customers drinking?

Why are you so willing to surrender personal choice regardless if you personally take advantage of that choice or not?
Sweeping statement - judgement city - best ignored.
Sooner or later they'll get to something you like to do, eat, see, or drink recreationally or socially.
They already have i love to smoke but such is life. Im sure i can go an hour or two whilst i enjoy a meal in a smoke free atmosphere without a cig.

The article says there is "evidence" that commercial have influence. The very sentence indicates that there is "evidence" that it doesn't. However, the government acted on the evidence that served their goal - reduction of  personal choice and, as a consequence, reduction of personal accountability.
Well if it does influence, maybe it will promote healthier eating. if it doesnt have influence nothing lost. Nothing ventured nothing gained. 

That is my problem with the concept. Again the citizens aren't smart enough or are too easily influence to allow for personal accountability.
Are they not? who says? Im just loving the amount of judgements you are making here.
How much do you need to blame someone else for your life, your over drinking, overeating, over-anything?
Whos blaming anyone else? Judgemental much.
Is the majority oriented submissive?
Getting laughable now.

Asking because the is a large segment of the US citizens who envies their "Western Brothers" to the east. The European Model is seen as more civilized, more accepting, more cultured. The cradle to grave care provided by a more knowing government; insuring housing, medical coverage, employment, and care; is seen by many here as desirable. Personal accountability and consequence for actions aren't part of the equation because all our deficiencies and problems are caused by outside influences. If the government could just regulate all of them away, society would be "perfect". Do you really believe this?
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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 11:56:17 AM   
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I don't care about philosophizing or moralizing the issue to death - what I want is value for the money. Americans pay every bit as much, possibly more, in taxes than do the average citizens in a socialist country. I want bang for the buck, instead of money squandered on BS wars.

You can dress this up however you like: "nanny state" or whatever. This issue is about the bottom line. We already pay for it, we should get the benefits as well.

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 11:59:50 AM   
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Merc,

I would ask how you feel about marketing shit food to our children in school. Many many kids get fast food like Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut right at school these days. Soda companies bid to set up their vending machines in different school districts. Our children are facing epidemic obesity, and parents cannot help them make the right choices if they are not there. Is that not a case of capitalism gone awry in the other direction?


That puts you on the side against personal choice and personal accountability. Abdication of parental responsibility over what children eat is not a capitalist concept. An amazingly myopic viewpoint of the world. Is your view that capitalism also causes tooth decay?

Would it be shorter list as to what freedom of choices your position allows?

Cheese is "shit"? Why are they providing milk in the schools?

I already can be arrested for having any grandkid or child enjoy sitting on my lap while driving. No child, in CA at least, can relate to the experience I had of riding in the back of a pick-up on a warm summer day. Yes, yes, parents are obviously too stupid to be responsible for their children.

The next logical step would be to license parenthood and require annual weigh-ins to determine if the child is being properly fed outside the construct established by the government. Better yet, after granting the license why can't the government just take possession at birth and raise them in the one "right" way. The way devoid of all the things the government deems is bad for them to see, eat, drink, or experience? Your perfect world?

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:05:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		That puts you on the side against personal choice and personal accountability

How does it? Take away the advertisements for junk food and you can still choose to eat it. You can still take personal accountability for eating it too whether advertised or not.

  The next logical step would be to license parenthood and require annual weigh-ins to determine if the child is being properly fed outside the construct established by the government. Better yet, after granting the license why can't the government just take possession at birth and raise them in the one "right" way. The way devoid of all the things the government deems is bad for them to see, eat, drink, or experience? Your perfect world?
Definately not but are you then saying that letting our children become unhealthy and sitting back and doing nothing is the right way?
The government does something - they are in the wrong. They dont do anything - they are still in the wrong. They cant win !!


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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:10:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Julia, but I have to side with MercnBeth on this one. It's not anyone else's job to regulate what my child eats, at home or away from home. It's my job as a responsible parent to teach her good eating habits, along with sensible 'activity'. My teenager is in the 7th grade; her school offers soda water, candy, 'junk food'; all for lunch and snacks. Sometimes she comes home and tells me she had a candy bar with lunch; 95% of the time she eats sensibly because she has been taught healthy eating habits.

As to the OP; I am kind of torn on the issue of the government regulating things. On one hand there are some things that SHOULD be regulated; on the other, I think it should be left up to us as responsible adults to make the choice ourselves. Tricky situation because sometimes, it's hard to draw the line at a certain point.

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:12:05 PM   
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The whole food categorizing policy has been ill thoiught out but that sums up the whole of Blair's period in office and that is why we are in Iraq. The prick is an idiot!

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:14:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you read my post I did not frame it that I agree with censoring ads, I was merely pointing out that we have a problem with allowing advertising of certain products and selling them to our children.

About abdicating parental responsibility, I think public education is a wonderful thing personally. I support children being in society and learning their role within in it. I went to public school and I am literate. Most people I know were publically educated. The public education system has turned out some very responsible, hardworking citizens that are high functioning. I do not know what you mean by abdicating responsibility, unless you feel that children should be with their parents 24-7, 365. I feel that would be even more unhealthy for children than eating shit food.

Lets face it, most people do not understand that juice is as bad as soda when it comes to packing on pounds and the difference between good carbs and bad carbs, good fats and bad fats. Most people are still in the dark, and they are feeding our kids transfats and other poisonous goo while they are under the supervision of the schools. Part of the reason for this is because of budget concerns, in other words schools have a hard time economically these days, so they sell the right to sell Pepsi to our children. I see a problem with that, and in my eyes I can connect capitalism with this problem fairly easily. There is a lack of support for public education, and making a buck off of selling shit to our kids is seen as "ok" because of the financial gains to be made. Personally I see this as being repulsive, almost as bad as marketing cigarettes to kids and selling them in vending machines at school to make a buck. Both cigarettes and soda shorten life spans if abused.

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:14:47 PM   
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Why stop there?
I'm sure they wont


Remember this thought as you read down. You accept that this is not the end of government influence.

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Why should autos be constructed to drive higher than the maximum speed limit?
Huh?


Nobody is forcing a child to eat cheese. The child has the ability to eat cheese. The government wants to take, or at minimum, reduce those opportunities. Apply the "they are not done" agreement. Why then should cars be able to drive faster than any legal limit? It is taking away the opportunity - same as with the cheese.

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If 3 beers puts you in violation of the public intoxication laws, why can't Pubs be held legally accountable for serving any more than 3 to any one person and be required to tally each customers purchases?
Ok by trade i am a pub manager and that is just ridiculous. 3 beers may put some over the limit whilst some people tolerance is higher, some lower. Unless you know an individuals alcohol tolerance you cannot control this. Also can you imagine 30 staff in a night club trying to control over 3000 customers drinking?

And the responsibility applied to a teacher or any care giver to dictate what is in a lunch box is more ridiculous?

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Why are you so willing to surrender personal choice regardless if you personally take advantage of that choice or not?
Sweeping statement - judgment city - best ignored.

Not judgmental - it is a question. You feel relinquishing choice and responsibility is appropriate. No problem with your opinion - why not be proud of it? Any degree of "judgment" as to being better or worse is coming from you.

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Sooner or later they'll get to something you like to do, eat, see, or drink recreationally or socially.
They already have i love to smoke but such is life. Im sure i can go an hour or two whilst i enjoy a meal in a smoke free atmosphere without a cig.

See there, choice - not judgment. It is your choice to go without a cig while dining. However, the choice to dine and afterward sit at the table enjoying a coffee with a cig is no longer there. The restaurants choice to be a smoking or non-smoking restaurant is no longer there. In this instance it happens to be an inconvenience or convenience depending on your preference.

Just for reference. I'm not a smoker, but would fight any battle for smoker. Fighting for choice and personal responsibility even on those issues that don't effect me prepare me for the time when the issue will be more personal. And as you say regrading how far or if the government will stop regulating life choices; "I'm sure they won't". Best then to be prepared for battle.

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:15:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The whole food categorizing policy has been ill thoiught out but that sums up the whole of Blair's period in office and that is why we are in Iraq. The prick is an idiot!

Too true.
What really amuses me about this thread though is the judgement of someone whos countrys politics and policies are far from perfect. Surely people in glass houses are well advised not to throw stones.

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:16:24 PM   
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Merc,

I would ask how you feel about marketing shit food to our children in school. Many many kids get fast food like Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut right at school these days. Soda companies bid to set up their vending machines in different school districts. Our children are facing epidemic obesity, and parents cannot help them make the right choices if they are not there. Is that not a case of capitalism gone awry in the other direction?

Hey I LIKED having my 2 cans of lemonade and pack of twinkies for lunch every day.

Course I didn't like being a size 22 and at this point in my life being more worried about diabetes than I should...

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:18:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Merc,

I would ask how you feel about marketing shit food to our children in school. Many many kids get fast food like Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut right at school these days. Soda companies bid to set up their vending machines in different school districts. Our children are facing epidemic obesity, and parents cannot help them make the right choices if they are not there. Is that not a case of capitalism gone awry in the other direction?

Hey I LIKED having my 2 cans of lemonade and pack of twinkies for lunch every day.

Course I didn't like being a size 22 and at this point in my life being more worried about diabetes than I should...


Thank God for my ciggie addiction when I was in high school. I spent my lunch money on smokes. Of course I was coughing up a lung by the time I was 36 when I quit almost two years ago, but I am healthy now.

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:19:31 PM   
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The whole food categorizing policy has been ill thoiught out but that sums up the whole of Blair's period in office and that is why we are in Iraq. The prick is an idiot!

Too true.
What really amuses me about this thread though is the judgement of someone whos countrys politics and policies are far from perfect. Surely people in glass houses are well advised not to throw stones.


We throw enough stones at the US so why can't they throw them back?

We can't smoke, can't drink, can't fucking eat now, sex will be next. I HATE POLITICIANS THAT WANT TO SAVE ME FROM MYSELF. I can't discuss such nonsense rationally because Blairs just gets me frothing at the mouth.

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:19:51 PM   
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Thank God for my ciggie addiction when I was in high school. I spent my lunch money on smokes. Of course I was coughing up a lung by the time I was 36 when I quit almost two years ago, but I am healthy now.

See that's obviously the solution- get cigarette companies bidding for the vending machines and get rid of all the food and soda ones.

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:20:22 PM   
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Why are you so willing to surrender personal choice regardless if you personally take advantage of that choice or not?
Sweeping statement - judgment city - best ignored.


Not judgmental - it is a question. You feel relinquishing choice and responsibility is appropriate. No problem with your opinion - why not be proud of it? Any degree of "judgment" as to being better or worse is coming from you.

The judgement is in the 'why are you' instead of using something like 'are you'. I really think that the removal of a few commercials does not remove your choice to eat cheese or not.
 
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If 3 beers puts you in violation of the public intoxication laws, why can't Pubs be held legally accountable for serving any more than 3 to any one person and be required to tally each customers purchases?
Ok by trade i am a pub manager and that is just ridiculous. 3 beers may put some over the limit whilst some people tolerance is higher, some lower. Unless you know an individuals alcohol tolerance you cannot control this. Also can you imagine 30 staff in a night club trying to control over 3000 customers drinking?


And the responsibility applied to a teacher or any care giver to dictate what is in a lunch box is more ridiculous?
What gives you the idea a teacher is responsible for whats in a childs lunch box? Noone is dictating anything. We have not been told 'you will not eat cheese'.
 


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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:22:40 PM   
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And the responsibility applied to a teacher or any care giver to dictate what is in a lunch box is more ridiculous?
What gives you the idea a teacher is responsible for whats in a childs lunch box? Noone is dictating anything. We have not been told 'you will not eat cheese'.



This is how it starts. Soften everybody up and then start making them feel like a pariah should the indulge in something that the government frowns on.

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:27:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

The whole food categorizing policy has been ill thoiught out but that sums up the whole of Blair's period in office and that is why we are in Iraq. The prick is an idiot!

Too true.
What really amuses me about this thread though is the judgement of someone whos countrys politics and policies are far from perfect. Surely people in glass houses are well advised not to throw stones.


We throw enough stones at the US so why can't they throw them back?

We can't smoke, can't drink, can't fucking eat now, sex will be next. I HATE POLITICIANS THAT WANT TO SAVE ME FROM MYSELF. I can't discuss such nonsense rationally because Blairs just gets me frothing at the mouth.


Do WE? Speak for yourself.
 
We can smoke.
We can eat.
We can drink.
 
Health is so so important and whilst i cant really see how restriction of commercials helps in any way surely it is a good thing that health issues are being tackled. Nobody gets it right everytime but at least an attempt to make things better is being made.
 

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RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. - 1/3/2007 12:28:56 PM   
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If you read my post I did not frame it that I agree with censoring ads, I was merely pointing out that we have a problem with allowing advertising of certain products and selling them to our children.

About abdicating parental responsibility, I think public education is a wonderful thing personally.

Julia,
But in these two statements you must support the censoring of ads as a remedy for parents abdicating responsibility based upon the observable result of childhood obesity in the face of the past 25 years of nutritional advertisements run by the FDA. Education means putting information out to the public. As you point out, the information is all around us. Every product purchased in the USA provides detailed labeling regarding the fat and calorie content. McDonald's and all the other poor food choice restaurants provide the same information for their products. If the fact that people don't read it or can't grasp the concept that a 20 ounce coke is actually more than 1 serving, may be a function of the failed public education system. Is the next logically step the government taking over what we are allowed to consume? Failure to be educated is grounds to be regulated? Sorry - I just don't accept that and won't go quietly as more choices are taken away.

I haven't been to a McDonald's or the like in 10 years but their ability to exist and the ability for other people to purchase their food there is a choice I'd fight to protect.

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