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onestandingstill -> BDSM & Christianity to me (1/6/2007 11:53:15 AM)
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My views of Christianity are far from any organized religion point of view.
I have spent the past twenty years studying all faiths Christian and otherwise.
In my heart I believe in God and Jesus.
I just think man has perverted God's word for the betterment of society.
In a nut shell I think monogamy is a concept of men and not God.
Back in the bible disease was rampant, as there was not plumbing or electricity or medicines to cure what ails people now.
The road map of how to live 2000 years ago applied then but not so much now.
Now people can get treatment, be clean and support children in single family households.
Back then a single woman with kids was homeless, as she was not allowed to own property etc...
Human society is way different now then it was then.
I also think when it comes to extreme sensation play that if it makes you happy it's not against God.
God is joy, love and happiness.
He joins in your joy when you’re happy.
Again society has taught us pain is bad, not God.
God says offer your suffering up to him for your sins.
There are numerous quotes in the bible that condones you having an earthly Master.
Here's a couple of Biblical Quotes I burrowed from another thread here:
1 Timothy 6:1-2 reads:
All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers, as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brethren, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles.
Ephesians 6: 5-9:
Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free. And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him.
Titus 2: 9-10:
Urge bondslaves to be subject to their own masters in everything, to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith so that they will adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect.
Following the life that Master wants you to lead or being that Master is following God's rules in my opinion.
I'd also say go back and just read Genesis there are lots of quotes in the first ten pages of the good book that mention a Master and his slaves.
In the end God has written his rules in your heart and his spirit will let you know when something is wrong to do. Trust your discerning spirit more than what you hear from others or what you read.
Your gut has all you need from God to know if it's right or wrong.
Really if you seriously want answers go read the bible again.
Skip the boring lineage stuff and stick to the words and messages.
Now you've got your eyes open to this realm I know you see evil, pain and perversion all on the same levels in a lot of cases.
In a lot of those cases you're correct. There are indeed HUGE DEMONS running rampant in the BDSM society.
What you have to realize is those same demons possess people in the vanilla world too. Look at the news for example.
Society is getting darker as a whole.
I hate to say it, but I'm a very realistic person and I think over 40% of the D/s relationships I've seen are unhealthy. Then there are another 20% of people that are single that are unhealthy.
20%of single people I know are healthy, they just have no healthy relationship as they look for their needle in the haystack.
In 20% of the healthy BDSM oriented relationships I've seen in the face to face huge society of over 3000 people I only respect the position of three couples in the whole shebang enough I could live by their value system and kinks.
Mind you I respect in the 20% that are emotionally healthy people, in an emotionally healthy exchange.
I just differ in the concepts of how they think a BDSM relationship works internally.
Those are the people who I say my kink is not their kink and that does not make it not OK for them or wrong in my eyes, it’s just not me.
I also respect numerous people I have met on the web.
The only thing is till I’ve seen their interactions personally I really have no opinion of their relationships.
You have to be very careful in whom you align yourself with in the world as a whole as the devil tells you everything you want to hear.
He dangles the riches of the world to buy your soul.
That's why you have to stick to your GUT.
GOD'S SPIRIT LIVES THERE IN YOU.
We rationalize things we know are wrong because society and peer pressure push us to doubt our own gut.
We think in time this other person will get it and see things from our point of view.
We rationalize they are right for us and they’re over all a good person other than X.
Remember your insecurities and fears are sometimes the voice of angels protecting you and not just your own neurosis.
There's a wonderful book the Ethical slut.
Read that.
I think that will help you find more balance in what really matters to you and what you want to be viewed as by others.
I hit 40 and in my mid life chris's have decided if what I do does not hurt anyone directly those that are offended by my life are entitled to their opinion.
I am entitled just as much to have my own.
I live by the integrity I see fit to mold myself by and no other.
When I serve a Master as his slave, the only way I'll become that for anyone, will be by him already being aligned with my views or I will not accept the offer to be in his service.
This is not a game to me, this is my life.
As someone's sub I feel it's a lot different as I'm still entitled to my own seperate identity.
Even in that, before I would take that station I'd have to like the view of his life I've seen with my own eyes.
Trust is not earned, but not friviously spent in my world in a D/s relationship.
In the end I think if the tug of being a submissive or slave to someone concerns you as far as your faith start digging.
It's not far off on how God says the structure of society should be.
And on monogamy.
Think about who gave the message in the bible on monogamy.
It was Moses who had two wives and had seen all their sisters do the dance of 7 veils.
Think about it.....
suzanne
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