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MzMia -> RE: Limits (1/10/2007 7:46:16 PM)

I have not met a no-limit submissive real time.
But it takes all kinds in this world.
I don't come here to judge or put down others.
Enough people here that enjoy doing that.
As long as they are not hurting anyone else, I say live and let live.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Limits (1/10/2007 10:07:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Donkeyboy18uk

It makes me laugh when slaves say they have no limits, when they obviously must have, scat, K9 etc etc..  has anyone ever met a really extreme no limits slave?


First, why are those "obvious limits?"

Second, how do you differentiate "extreme" no limits?  Aren't a lack of limits simply a lack of limits?   That question does not make sense to me.

I gave my limits up to my Master.  He may have limits, and he rules me in the confines of his limits.  But I did not match mine to his...I simply gave mine to him.




Kalira -> RE: Limits (1/11/2007 5:31:39 AM)

the only limits that I have are the one's that Master decides that I have. Luckily, Master's limitations pretty much match those that I entered into the relationship with.




heartfeltsub -> RE: Limits (1/11/2007 5:41:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
First, why are those "obvious limits?"

Second, how do you differentiate "extreme" no limits?  Aren't a lack of limits simply a lack of limits?   That question does not make sense to me.

I gave my limits up to my Master.  He may have limits, and he rules me in the confines of his limits.  But I did not match mine to his...I simply gave mine to him.


OG, i hope it is all right, but i would really like to ask you about the portion of your response that i have highlighted. my question is was this something that was done over time, or at a specific time, either at the start of the relationship or further into the relationship. Also would like to know if you would like to tell me, how much, if any fear or fearful thinking was involved in giving them up. Sorry i realize that both are very personal questions and i won't be offended in the least if you do not wish to answer either. Thank you in advance.

heartfelt




ardelle -> RE: Limits (1/11/2007 5:45:16 AM)

quote:

OG, i hope it is all right, but i would really like to ask you about the portion of your response that i have highlighted. my question is was this something that was done over time, or at a specific time, either at the start of the relationship or further into the relationship. Also would like to know if you would like to tell me, how much, if any fear or fearful thinking was involved in giving them up. Sorry i realize that both are very personal questions and i won't be offended in the least if you do not wish to answer either. Thank you in advance.

heartfelt

greetings heartfeltsub
 
what an interesting question; and one that i have seen asked very few times. So often the discussions center only on the limits that are or are not there, and forget to look at the time period or state of mind that one takes to reach that state.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Limits (1/11/2007 8:45:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
First, why are those "obvious limits?"

Second, how do you differentiate "extreme" no limits?  Aren't a lack of limits simply a lack of limits?   That question does not make sense to me.

I gave my limits up to my Master.  He may have limits, and he rules me in the confines of his limits.  But I did not match mine to his...I simply gave mine to him.


OG, i hope it is all right, but i would really like to ask you about the portion of your response that i have highlighted. my question is was this something that was done over time, or at a specific time, either at the start of the relationship or further into the relationship. Also would like to know if you would like to tell me, how much, if any fear or fearful thinking was involved in giving them up. Sorry i realize that both are very personal questions and i won't be offended in the least if you do not wish to answer either. Thank you in advance.

heartfelt


No worries as to the question.

I was full of limits in my mind when I met him.  He would ask me things like, "What is the most extreme thing you can think of me doing to you?"  Some of my responses back then seem really mild to me now.  But he would listen and we would talk about it, and he would slowly work on expanding my mind so that those things no longer scared me.  He would have me think and write about each thing, and do visualization work until the "unknown" about such a situation no longer seemed so foreign...and then he would DO it.  I knew from the outset I could not tell him No to anything.  And I agreed to that.  I trusted that he would not have me do anything he had not properly prepared me to do.   Yet I also knew he could do whatever he wanted at any time.  We talked about that a lot, too - that it was his right to do such n such (whatever it was), but that doesn't mean he WILL do it.  I had to trust that A) He would not do it if I couldn't handle it; or B) That I would manage to give him what he wanted if he DID decide to do it.

Because of such communication, fears were alleviated.  I was afraid every time I grew deeper in my submission.  There were often emotional episodes that I had to work through before delving deeper.  It has been scary and wonderful and amazing.  It took a delicate finesse to manage me just right - to push at exactly the right level, and to hold back just short of sending me over an emotional edge.  Hell yes it was scary!    But I trusted, and he led me to where I am now.  He was able to do so by always knowing my thoughts and feelings about everything.  I must have written thousands of pages to him by now, of everything that goes through my heart and mind. He knows me so intimately, he can predict how I will respond to whatever he says, does, instructs, etc.  He counts on these predictive measures to run me, and to know when to push and when to hold back.

I think I'm taking the scenic route to get to the answer to your question.  In short, yes, this was done over time, beginning when he first began to dominate me...and it continues to this day.  There was lots of fear in slowly giving them up, and at the same time, he helped remove the fear. 

Thank you for asking such an interesting question. Usually threads like this are used by opposers to talk about how much they think they know people like me [;)]

Edited to add - this does not mean some things I am sometimes required to do or endure are not extremely difficult.  I did not intend to put out there that Oh sure, he prepares me and then it's a piece of cake.  Some things have required a lot of "work" to be done afterwards, sometimes for days...week...months.  But the idea, in my situation, is to have an open mind, and to know that humans are capable of amazing feats, and are quite resilient, too.  There is also an important factor to consider, which is I did not give myself to someone with a jackhammer fetish or the like. He made it clear from the start that he likes his slaves WITH their body parts.  One would do well to choose wisely.




daddysprop247 -> RE: Limits (1/11/2007 10:08:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

First, why are those "obvious limits?"

Second, how do you differentiate "extreme" no limits?  Aren't a lack of limits simply a lack of limits?   That question does not make sense to me.

I gave my limits up to my Master.  He may have limits, and he rules me in the confines of his limits.  But I did not match mine to his...I simply gave mine to him.


this was the case with me as well. i had limits (technically) before being his..upon becoming his, i no longer had the right to those limits, and the only limits i had were his limits. always keeping in mind that like everything else, he has the perogative to change his limits at any time, so something that was out of the question 2 yrs ago, may now be a daily part of life. that was something i fully understood and accepted before i gave myself to him.

in my case it wasn't a gradual transition, everything just instantly changed once i became property. what took time was learning to TRULY accept, tolerate/bear the reality of being entirely subject to his will. it was far from easy, and even now there are times i struggle with this, falling into pits of self-pity and despair, thinking, "so this is my life?"...but he helps bring me up at these times with his love, patience, and persistence.




heartfeltsub -> RE: Limits (1/11/2007 11:10:01 AM)

Thank you soooo much for your very informative, honest and helpful answer. It means more than you can know. Thank you.

heartfelt




ownedgirlie -> RE: Limits (1/11/2007 9:29:24 PM)

You are very welcome, heartfeltsub.  Thank you for your kind words :)




gailcd -> RE: Limits (1/11/2007 10:58:40 PM)

i think the slave:

a) is dreaming
b) has no intention being with someone who pushes their limits




junecleaver -> RE: Limits (1/12/2007 10:07:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL:ownedgirlie I was full of limits in my mind when I met him.  He would ask me things like, "What is the most extreme thing you can think of me doing to you?"  Some of my responses back then seem really mild to me now.  But he would listen and we would talk about it, and he would slowly work on expanding my mind so that those things no longer scared me.  He would have me think and write about each thing, and do visualization work until the "unknown" about such a situation no longer seemed so foreign...and then he would DO it.  I knew from the outset I could not tell him No to anything.  And I agreed to that.  I trusted that he would not have me do anything he had not properly prepared me to do.   Yet I also knew he could do whatever he wanted at any time.  We talked about that a lot, too - that it was his right to do such n such (whatever it was), but that doesn't mean he WILL do it.  I had to trust that A) He would not do it if I couldn't handle it; or B) That I would manage to give him what he wanted if he DID decide to do it.

Because of such communication, fears were alleviated.  I was afraid every time I grew deeper in my submission.  There were often emotional episodes that I had to work through before delving deeper.  It has been scary and wonderful and amazing.  It took a delicate finesse to manage me just right - to push at exactly the right level, and to hold back just short of sending me over an emotional edge.  Hell yes it was scary!    But I trusted, and he led me to where I am now.  He was able to do so by always knowing my thoughts and feelings about everything.  I must have written thousands of pages to him by now, of everything that goes through my heart and mind. He knows me so intimately, he can predict how I will respond to whatever he says, does, instructs, etc.  He counts on these predictive measures to run me, and to know when to push and when to hold back.

I think I'm taking the scenic route to get to the answer to your question.  In short, yes, this was done over time, beginning when he first began to dominate me...and it continues to this day.  There was lots of fear in slowly giving them up, and at the same time, he helped remove the fear. 

Thank you for asking such an interesting question. Usually threads like this are used by opposers to talk about how much they think they know people like me [;)]

Edited to add - this does not mean some things I am sometimes required to do or endure are not extremely difficult.  I did not intend to put out there that Oh sure, he prepares me and then it's a piece of cake.  Some things have required a lot of "work" to be done afterwards, sometimes for days...week...months.  But the idea, in my situation, is to have an open mind, and to know that humans are capable of amazing feats, and are quite resilient, too.  There is also an important factor to consider, which is I did not give myself to someone with a jackhammer fetish or the like. He made it clear from the start that he likes his slaves WITH their body parts.  One would do well to choose wisely.
 I really enjoyed this answer.  Thank you for writing it.




kyraofMists -> RE: Limits (1/12/2007 4:54:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

OG, i hope it is all right, but i would really like to ask you about the portion of your response that i have highlighted. my question is was this something that was done over time, or at a specific time, either at the start of the relationship or further into the relationship. Also would like to know if you would like to tell me, how much, if any fear or fearful thinking was involved in giving them up. Sorry i realize that both are very personal questions and i won't be offended in the least if you do not wish to answer either. Thank you in advance.

heartfelt


I think that this was a very important and wonderful question and I enjoyed ownedgirlie's response to it. 

Many times on the message boards I think the posters and readers tend to overlook the path people took to get to a specific moment in time in their lives.  For myself personally, I like hearing about the journeys most of all.

Knight's kyra




blinkingababy -> RE: Limits (1/12/2007 7:46:12 PM)

I think that every slave/ sub has some sort of limit and if they do not.. they need to find some... limits are important... if u never followed rules u have set for your self you would never get anywhere




SlaveSubtoserve -> RE: Limits (1/17/2007 5:21:14 PM)

Nice discussions above-- i would also add that the limits, type of , and specific ones can vary greatly with your relationship to your particular Dom/Mistress--- what might be  a limit with one may not be with another it seems.




SirPhotographer -> RE: Limits (1/18/2007 12:51:53 PM)

Those limits keep us all alive and healthy.  I was taught by a slave how to be a master and learned then the value of limits and the need to respect them.  Any sub or slave does have or should have limits, and they should be honored.  Some slaves and subs like to have their physical limits tested and pushed though.  A good master will know how to do it safely.  Remember that submission  is a gift,  appreciate it.




darksdesire -> RE: Limits (1/18/2007 6:19:49 PM)

ownedgirlie

your experience resonates so much with my own.  I also started out with lots of limits, especially since I'd not had any experience.  Learning to let go, learning to surrender one's will to a Master is a sometimes difficult and painful, other times exhilarating process, and for me it was not done in one moment.  It was a process, a path, and one he guided me on bit by bit, sometimes fetching me when I took a wrong turn, sometimes letting me find my way back.  After two years, I am no limits....with him that is.  Even saying that, my guess is that I will continue always to have to deepen my understanding of what that exactly means.  I can't say I've arrived at some final destination of no limits, only because whenever I think I've arrived at some particular new place, I learn later that  I can still go further, deeper.  That was not a sudden decision, but one that took hours of talking, months of trust building, and significant growth on my part.  With no limits, there are things he could do that would cause me significant emotional or physical pain and I would do them...but I only made such a decision understanding that he holds my best interest very carefully in his hands.

So many people have different ideas about what no limits means.  From my perspective, offering oneself up as a no limits slave to any Master out there seems pretty rare and dangerous, and I think meaningless.  No limits is a process, and one that requires unlimited trust,  and deep commitment.   




aslv2kneel -> RE: Limits (1/19/2007 12:52:17 PM)

no limits - in my pov - is from one of a virgin perspective




MASTERSTEEL -> RE: Limits (1/19/2007 12:59:14 PM)

IN all my years in this ls I have yet to meet a true no limit slave OHHH many claimed to be but when the rubber hits the road they aren't..WE all have our limits of some sort.WHAT say all of you? STEEL




acctonthelook -> RE: Limits (1/19/2007 3:36:02 PM)

i get a bigger kick out of a Master that says they actually want a sub/ slave with no limits.

i abhor Masters/ Doms that say my limits will be removed.  ok, like you think your going to change my mind whether to drink pee or not.  in this respect, i'm not submissive!  lol




onestandingstill -> RE: Limits (1/20/2007 5:07:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Donkeyboy18uk

It makes me laugh when slaves say they have no limits, when they obviously must have, scat, K9 etc etc..  has anyone ever met a really extreme no limits slave?

Yes, I have met one. My personal opinion was she was clinically insane. She thought she was such a horrible person and so useless she deserved to die and hoped one day her Master would kill her in breath play. She felt any pain she took atoned for being such a bad person and just taking up space here.
She also talked to people who were not there so I think she was schizophrenic as well.
I think the guy who claimed to be her Master was actually not a BDSM Master, but a bad person for exploiting her illness instead of helping her find sanity. Basically they both fed on her being a doormat.
It was very disturbing and left me feeling more helpless than most things in my life.
I tried to reach her mind, and let her know I thought she was valuable and lovable, but she was just so out of touch with reality I couldn't reach her.
suzanne




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