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Atavist -> Annual Membership (2/26/2005 3:58:17 PM)

I know this has been thrown out there before but I'll put it out there again in light of the recent events regarding intentionally disruptive users.

I suggest that CM charge a small annual for for full membership on CM (posting in the message boards for one). A small fee will likely eliminate a large majority of the sociopathics, the trolls and people who simply aren't serious about using this site.

In addition, a $10 or $20 annual "full" membership fee will certainly help with the overhead costs of running this site.

I know some people will claim this as a hardship...I don't want to sound unsympathetic but $10-$20 dollars a year isn't alot to ask. It would be informative if the moderators would join the discussion and put the pros/cons from their perspective on the table too.




onceburned -> RE: Annual Membership (2/26/2005 4:34:38 PM)

I am not saying its a bad idea... but I probably would not be here if I first had to pay a membership fee. Of course, now that I am here and know how good it is I have gladly paid the donation.

Currently this site is open to the public, to charge a membership fee would be to close it off and I think that would hurt the site in the long run.




Atavist -> RE: Annual Membership (2/26/2005 5:37:47 PM)

Not necessarily. New users could use the site with a Guest account, which would have limited access rights. If they like what they see and want a higher level of access, they join.

Virtually all of the "personals" sites use this model. And no, I'm not suggesting that CM become like the "other" sites.




SweetlyMisguided -> RE: Annual Membership (2/26/2005 9:13:49 PM)

Too many sites are jumping on the "pay to access" band wagon... Sites that SWORE they would NEVER become like that are now charging outrageous monthly fees...

My opinion is sites are seeing that other sites are continuing to have members despite charging, and looking to pad their pockets a little more, they are doing the same thing in hopes of achieving the same goals...

While you should never look a gift horse in the mouth so to speak... many people wouldn't be on sites if they had to pay to access certain things... Certain parts of the sites certain users never use, so they don't feel that they should be paying for one thing alone... Some sites have set up "tier" systems for this where they only pay for the portions of the site that they DO use...

Not a wise idea... Especially to make SUDDEN changes... Hell if any changes are made, I feel that members should be given at least a months notice instead of it being thrown in one day that in 72 hours changes are going to be made... Have some respect for the members that make up the community at least, and then try to be reasonable with your decisions!!




NoPinkBalloons -> RE: Annual Membership (2/26/2005 11:27:44 PM)

Bookcrossing.com is the only other site that I use as much as this one. It's also free and the topic of paid memberships to support the costs comes up regularly. I think the folks at Bookcrossing have done a good job of finding ways to raise funds while still allowing full access to anyone who wants it. It might be worth taking a look at what they do to stay afloat (and they have paid staff as well as the site originator who gave up his software company to devote himself full time to BXing).

Bookcrossing has a "wings" feature for those who make a monetary contribution. If you buy $5 worth of merchandise in the "supply store", or if you donate $5, you get wings for a month. Wings don't give you any special perks (they did at one time, but it caused an uproar so they only give you non-essential extras now); they're just a cute little icon that's around your name for a month. You also have the option to donate your wings to someone else if you want to, so there's really no way to know if someone donated to the site or was gifted with the wings.

They have a "store" that has a variety of site related merchandise that varies from very inexpensive to more pricey.

They also have links to places like Amazon, etc so that a portion of your payment goes to BXing if you access those sites via the link there. (If I buy books at Amazon.com, for example, I go to the BXing site, then click on the Amazon link. A percentage of what I spend is given to BXing every time I do this). They have a similar set up with several other shopping sites.

They have click through ads along the side of the pages (I think those might disappear if you make a donation, but I can't remember), but the ads are really very unobtrusive and don't distract from the site at all.

It's worth taking a look at how they have things set up, if only to see what options for raising operating funds are working for another website.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Annual Membership (2/26/2005 11:50:28 PM)

I think it's a bad Idea because a large number of sociopaths have plenty of money and time, as evidenced by some recent threads, and I aint naming names.
I don't think charging some money to help with costs of running the place is a bad idea though. M




siamsa24 -> RE: Annual Membership (2/27/2005 8:12:08 AM)

Quite frankly, I love this site, but I can't afford other expences right now, that's why I came here and not elsewhere.
Maybe if you are making several thousand dollars a year $20 is insignificant, but that's nearly half of a paycheck for me and that's significant.




quietkitten -> RE: Annual Membership (2/27/2005 8:17:22 AM)

quote:

I think it's a bad Idea because a large number of sociopaths have plenty of money and time, as evidenced by some recent threads


I never actually have to post anything at all because someone always says exactly what I was thinking[;)]




FelinePersuasion -> RE: Annual Membership (3/27/2005 2:05:05 PM)

I wouldn't come here PERIOD if you had to pay to use. Alt.com used to be a wonderfull site, and then they took away profile veiws and charged for certain things and I have seen a dramatic decrease in good customers. Also people who're paying expect results so there for expect more from a site.


Which is their own right, but It's not always benifitial to make people pay.




perverseangelic -> RE: Annual Membership (3/27/2005 2:23:49 PM)

Yup, I wouldn't be here either if I had to pay. I know it doesn't sound like much money, but on my budget, it is.




sissymaidlola -> RE: Annual Membership (3/27/2005 4:33:45 PM)

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I suggest that CM charge a small annual for full membership on CM (posting in the message boards for one).
Hmmm, sissy thinks that you are completely missing the true symbiotic nature of posting on message boards, Atavist. Yes, posts eat up bandwidth which needs to be paid for ... but they also create the free content for the message boards site that it also depends on. The reason that you like accessing the CollarMe message boards, and are willing to pay a nominal fee to continue to access them, is that you read and are engaged by the posts made by others at CollarMe. People aren't paid to write all those posts that stimulate your interest and keep bringing you back to the boards to read more, and possibly even engage you enough in the debate that you also desire to post against them ... those posts are simply made by other users that are similarly engaged in the debate like yourself.

Personally, sissy wouldn't use this site if it wasn't free, and he feels that the free access he gains is MORE than offset by his own volunteered time and effort in making posts here. sissy Makes a point of posting as he reads the boards because it is his way of giving back for what he is taking in reading the posts of others. In effect, it works a little like those MP3 music file sharing sites do (did?) where you were allowed to download a music file for free as long as you also uploaded something new into the music pool to keep it fresh and continually expanding. By making a reciprocal contribution (i.e., by posting) each person is creating the next level of free content for the site that will draw in and engage the next set of eyes. Each post begets a new post, each user begets a new user. If CollarMe loses sight of that basic dynamic, and messes with that fundamental chain by instigating arbitrary fees, it can very quickly unravel in the same manner that a chain letter never succeeds (outside of them being illegal) because someone always breaks the chain.

The hard core of regular posters on the CollarMe (CM) message boards are actually creating FOR FREE the site's basic intellectual content that draws in all the other board readers and casual contributors. This is not a base of users that should be charged ANYTHING as they are already giving more to the site in original content than they are taking in bandwidth! The body of users that are actually taking from the site without giving are the lurkers. But now you have the problem that most new users lurk before deciding to participate, so if CM charged people to lurk they will simply go elsewhere and ignore this site, with the result that CM's new membership will fall off dramatically, and it might even be possible (taken together with the attrition of established members) to see this site's overall membership base to start to shrink. That would be the beginning of the end for this site ...

If you have a guaranteed growing base of registered members (i.e., potential eyeballs) using the site you can always garner interest amongst the marketing companies and thereby raise advertising revenues that can be used to pay the basic site costs of doing business such as bandwidth. That is nowhere near as easy, if not impossible, if you only have a static, or even worse, a shrinking base of members. If in charging its existing user base even a nominal fee causes, for instance, good CM message board contributors to leave such that even more of the passive audience also leaves (because the overall content that used to engage them is no longer sufficient to maintain their interest), the net effect may be that the growth of the CM site audience is seriously curtailed - or becomes static, or even shrinks - and that the damage done to CM's potential ability to raise external sponsorship and advertising revenues may exceed the actual revenues received from instigating the charging of member fees. It's all a fine balance and a calculated risk, and nowhere near the no-brainer you make it out to be.

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A small fee will likely eliminate a large majority of the sociopathics, the trolls and people who simply aren't serious about using this site.

With all due respect, that is ABSOLUTE BUNKUM. The stated net worth of the husband of one troll recently banned from CollarMe is $20 million. They were able to elude the moderators' repeated attempts to block physical access to the site because said husband owns an ISP and accessing from new PCs and IP addresses was no obstacle. The troll only finally left the site because the mods made it sufficiently unrewarding for them once they gained access and hence they got bored - it was not because they were finally physically prevented from accessing. Whether their actual net worth was $20 million or only $200,000, exactly how would a $20 membership fee have deterred this person, Atavist ? Being a persistent troll requires a lot of time, energy, creativity, tenacity and technical resources ... as much as you may want to believe it, trolls are not unemployed welfare cases!

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola


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MsSilvie -> RE: Annual Membership (3/27/2005 5:27:31 PM)

Damn.

You mean all I have to do is state my net worth is $20M and then I can sit on my can and troll away?

I should have thought of this sooner!

[;)]




stef -> RE: Annual Membership (3/27/2005 6:21:25 PM)

Imagine what you could do if you claimed you were worth $20 million *and* you were a lawyer! [:D]

~stef




siamsa24 -> RE: Annual Membership (3/27/2005 6:25:31 PM)

I make about $6000 a year and am a pre-law student, what does that make me? [:D]




sissymaidlola -> RE: You, too, can troll (3/27/2005 6:48:40 PM)

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You mean all I have to do is state my net worth is $20M and then I can sit on my can and troll away?

Sheesh, Ms Silvie <deep curtsey>, if You are worth $20 million then sissy would like to forthwith apply for the post of senior sissy maid on Your considerable estate. A Domina of Your esteemed status, Ma'am, deserves so much better than having to go through life trolling while sitting on the can without at least being able to enjoy the considerable comfort of having a sissy maid permanently on hand to pass Her the toilet tissue.

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola


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Atavist -> RE: Annual Membership (3/27/2005 7:58:56 PM)

Perhaps sissy will put his money where his mouth is and make a contribution.

http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/pay/T2Q3DEEEFJB1TJ/058-0325242-8616201




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