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How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 3:09:20 AM   
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Please Masters, this slave needs your help. This woman wishes to be slave to her husband. This humble slave would never attempt to turn her Master into what he is not, but this slave believes that her Master needs to realise her total submission to Him before He will take ownership of his slave. Please Masters, what can this slave do to help her Master to take ownership of His property?

Please don't think this slave pretentious or presumptuous. This slave is only expressing her heart's desire.

A slave's joy is in her Master's pleasure.
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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 3:15:20 AM   
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The question I'm asking myself is why you are talking like that in third person? (serious question)..cuz if your husband isnt your master....and all this is foreign to him...thats kinda talking is really gonna freak him out probably.... so proably the first thing you could do is reassess your communication style....introducing someone to a new concept is best done in a way that they can understand and not feel is too weird.

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 3:30:32 AM   
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If you are a slave, and it is your heart's desire to please your Master, why did you marry someone who is not a Dom?

Having a profile would help us to understand more.

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 3:47:52 AM   
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I'm with jali.  Just go talk to him (normally) and ask if he'd be interested in some role play.  Now don't everyone go flaming me.  Start out slowly...let him get used to the idea and see what happens.

As to why she married him?  She prolly loved him.

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 4:23:45 AM   
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I dont think you'll get flamed bandit..I think a lot of people start out with experimentation and adding a little kink into their lives....simple stuff like... tying your hands while he fucks you..or..use a blindfold..or smacking your ass while he fucks you..basically anything a bit different than just plain ordinary old boring sex...then what you could do...is...get some videos...regular ones..not porn...that show a relationship in it that has a male dominant figure and a female submissive one..after the movie...you could just talk about how you feel about that together...slow slow...

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 5:41:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ASlavesJoy

Please Masters, this slave needs your help. This woman wishes to be slave to her husband. This humble slave would never attempt to turn her Master into what he is not, but this slave believes that her Master needs to realise her total submission to Him before He will take ownership of his slave. Please Masters, what can this slave do to help her Master to take ownership of His property?

Please don't think this slave pretentious or presumptuous. This slave is only expressing her heart's desire.

A slave's joy is in her Master's pleasure.


so in otherwords... you want your Master to take you the way you want to be taken so that you can feel ownership and you want him to realize that.

mmmmmmm so what about what he wants?  Guess it really doesn't matter what he wants ... he's just the Master is all.

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 6:09:49 AM   
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I’m with knight on this.
Plus as an adult and a potential master I would assume he would have made it known in some way by now if not probably the most you’ll be able to expect is a play partner and not a full blown master.
I know if a woman told me she wanted to be my slave and I was involved with her, I’d waste no time.

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 6:51:11 AM   
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Well, if Master's pleasure is being who he currently is and not morphing into something his devoted slave desires.....shouldn't the slave take joy in that?  Or are we slaving from the bottom?

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 9:31:06 AM   
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I agree about the "speaking in third party"...its not needed here,
Your husband is who he is YOU cannot change that, If you could as you wish change that then what kind of "Master" is he that allows you to change something that fundimental in him ?


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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 9:41:33 AM   
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It is not that I have a problem with third party speak but it just lends itself more to the person doing it being taken as a cyber or day dreamer.

Your husband either has domination in him or not. If he does, it still might be from a little to completely. The first step is to think to yourself do you think he can do that, at what level do you think he can and will that be enough for your needs, that you have also thought about a lot, in this area to be happy. Then sit down and talk to him about it. Show him things that help explain what you are wanting and if he appears receptive, give him time to take it all in.

If he does want to pursue something of this nature, just remember to go slow with actions and more importantly expectations. M/s is not all great times. It is a relationship like any other and takes great effort and commitment on both parties



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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 9:59:00 AM   
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Joy, point your browser to two locations:

http://www.submissivewife.org

http://www.humbledfemales.com


Submissive Wife offers a good forum for being introduced to female submission in marriage. Humbled Females shares a good synergy with this site, though is more slave oriented in its philosophy. Both sites are not for the frivolous, however. If you're really serious about female submission, you will find excellent reading resources on both sites.

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/12/2007 2:51:48 PM   
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Thanks for the links amayos!!  Thankfully my husband/Master and I do not seem to be running into many hurdles along our new journey but any new recources are always helpful and welcome!!

To OP...the best advice I can give is to go as slowly as he needs and talk as much as he is willing.  Do not push him...this is a wonderful opportunity and way to demonstrate your new found submissive side.  You can let him know of your interest in a lot of less startling and abraisive ways.  Try to remember, while he may be a naturally dominant personality in the everyday "normal" world...society, as a whole and the media have done nothing to provoke anything greater in him than the heebee-geebees.  Exspecially if this is the very first time you have come to him with this.

Keep doing the research.  Get you hands/mind into anything you can without crossing any lines for him.  When you find a website that is informative and helpful, leave it open on your desk top and mayhap he will notice it and read it.  I would suggest not bringing it up to him.  Let him come to you.  He will let you know when he is ready to talk about it and or move forward into it.  Note though...he may never be ready and this is something you will have to deal with.  You should ask yourself this question now...if he is never able to be the master I desire, am I willing to be with him as he is??  You HAVE an obligation to yourself and him to know the answer to this question.

Submit to him now as he is, you may find that it is not really his mastery that needs changing...but maybe more of your submission to make you happy...or not...only you can answer this.  This is a good way to find out who/what needs to change (for you) in order to find the happiness that you desire.  If you find ANY happiness in submitting to him as he already is then it would seem to me that eventaully he will notice the changes in you.  He may or may not adress them.  He may just seem happier to you as well.  He may NEVER notice these changes in terms of PE as you have read about it here or anywhere else you may have done or will do research.  He doesn't have to.  As long as you submit to him, because that is at the core of what you desire, and at the end of the day, you both are happy...All is good and as it should be.

Good luck to you!!

Take care and Be Cause!!
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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/14/2007 4:04:56 AM   
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Query: Does making the concious effort to please your husband in all things and submitting to his desire not make you his slave, as much as if he percieved some ownership over you?

It sounds to me that you are simply looking for some way to draw him into your personal kink. Don't misunderstand me, there's nothing wrong with wanting that. I would just like to be more clear on the subject.

Communication is one of the most important aspects of ANY relationship. If you cannot simply speak with him openly, honestly, and clearly to express your own desires, then you need to find another way to communicate them to him through your actions. If you're husband is not the sort of person who will deal well with the subject, then I would suggest communicating your needs to him through your actions with the hope that he responds enough to have a serious conversation about it.

Let me give you an example. Let's say you want to have him spank you during sex. If he would be unlikely to respond well to telling him so outright, you might try joking with him about it, or finding a way to capture his interest. He may respond to telling him "I think I deserve a spanking for that. (smile & laugh)" when he expresses some minor displeasure over something mundane and unimportant. He may get the point if you simply smack your own ass during sex. These things are unassuming by themselves, but they convey a message to him that there is an interest in the activity. The trick is to find a way to communicate the idea to him in a way he will best understand and respond to.

There is something that you will want to keep in mind at all times if you choose to proceed with sharing your kink with your husband. BDSM carries many negative connotations in most walks of life. Marriages have ended over this sort of thing. People have lost jobs, children, and homes because they misjudged the ability of their spouses to be understanding or open to this lifestyle. Some people are simply not able to accept any facet of this lifestyle, or live in a state of denial that their personal kinks might be in any way related to it. If he seems at all uncomfortable with whatever approach you use to share your needs with him, stop what you are doing immediately! He may be more open to the idea another time, but even if he never seems to have an interest, you should know that your submission to him does not require him to be in this lifestyle.  If your husband does not respond well to whatever venue you choose to share your needs with him, you will need to start making some tough choices. It may require you to re-think the way you find fulfilment in your desires. If you cannot reconcile your needs, it may require that you learn to suppress them for the sake of your marriage or end the marriage to fulfill your needs as a submissive with someone else.

Good luck to you, and I wish you well.
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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/14/2007 1:43:10 PM   
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I have seen this before. It's very contradictory to be all submissive and "property"-like if you demand more out of your "Master". He could be very masterly and you wouldn't recognize it because you have a preconceived notion of what a "master" is. He dictates that he's not at all interested and won't take you in hand in the manner that you desire and crave. And that's too bad. What if he beat you regularly, called you slut-girl and used you in every conceivable sexual manner under the stars, but then one day decided that vanilla was going to be the flavor of the day. Would he be any less dominant? Would you be miffed or disappointed? Sure. But then it would be a break from the "norm" and you'd have all sorts of sexy and erotically charged feelings about this vanilla day.
It's really all a matter of compatibility. Do you want to stay with him and submit to his desires to just be vanilla forever and a day? That could maybe provide you with some contentment in knowing that you've done the "Right Thing" or whatever. But...you'd be miserable. Like being fed oatmeal for every meal of every day. You could live off of it and never be "hungry" again. But would you look forward to each meal? Soon, the taste and texture and that heavy feeling in your stomach would make you sick and just doing it to stay alive would be a challenge. Not very appealing, comparing life and marriage to oatmeal, is it? Even if you love oatmeal.
Compatibility is important. Even the most "masterly" masters and dominants can be "wrong". If you want him to be master, let him set his parameters and then the only choice you have as a submissive, or whatever you want to call yourself, is to submit to them or not. Take it or leave it. It's how "Masters" do things, usually.
I can wish you luck with your husband and hope that he can be all that you need for him to be, but I can tell you from experience that it's a lost cause. The only thing you can change in your situation is yourself and how you react to it. But good luck in whatever happens. :) I hope you're able to find something here or elsewhere that will help you better deal and cope. Take care!


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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/14/2007 2:19:41 PM   
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http://castlerealm.com/library/introduce.shtml
http://castlerealm.com/library/flavor.shtml

Both of those helped me get my head around what I wanted, so that I was able to share those wants and needs.
Good luck, and as others have mentioned, please remember that you can submit to pleasing him in many ways, not all of which would be included in most people's idea of BDSM. If his wish is for someone who lets him bring her breakfast in bed, you are serving simply by being appreciative of breakfast in bed.
And a happy, satisfied man is more likely to want to please his mate, just as we women are when we are happy and satisfied.

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/14/2007 9:37:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ASlavesJoy

Please Masters, this slave needs your help. This woman wishes to be slave to her husband. This humble slave would never attempt to turn her Master into what he is not, but this slave believes that her Master needs to realise her total submission to Him before He will take ownership of his slave. Please Masters, what can this slave do to help her Master to take ownership of His property?

Please don't think this slave pretentious or presumptuous. This slave is only expressing her heart's desire.

A slave's joy is in her Master's pleasure.


I was in a similar situation. Throughout our marriage i always did everything for Hubby, all the chores, cooking, etc. but never realized it was because i was submissive until i learned about this lifestyle from some online friends, and realized that i also needed it in the bedroom. I never thought Hubby would understand my submissive and kinky desires so i went outside my marriage to fulfill my needs. When He found out we had a long talk, He forgave me and wanted to learn to be my Dom. We went to an adult store and bought some bondage gear and rented some videos. At first i did a lot of "topping from the bottom" since i had had some experience. Things are progressing well now but He is still afraid of hurting me and won't humiliate me, but we are having a lot of fun.

Moral of the story--don't be afraid to talk to him, share your fantasies, ask to try some new things, maybe rent some bondage videos, give him some websites to look at--maybe say "hey that looks like fun, you game?".  Good luck with it.

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/14/2007 11:45:32 PM   
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I really have to wonder.... did she come here before talking to him?  If so, there is a problem with the relationship (or there will be).  She should be talking to her husband before anything else.  I hear "In (insert alternative lifestyle here), communication is the most important thing", but that applies to any intimate relationship where 2 people are extremely close.  She needs to communicate and quickly before she lets things get to the point where he goes "What in the hell?!" because her fantasies have went overboard.

Communicate early and often and your s/o won't feel left out and will feel like they're making the journey with you instead of being 'brought along for the ride', so to speak.

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/15/2007 1:21:17 PM   
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quote:

what can this slave do to help her Master to take ownership of His property?


I'm with proudsub on this one and agree with what she's saying.

My own suggestion is to drop the cyberspeak and get serious about real communication with your husband. It isn't easy. You need a ton of patience with him. He needs a ton of patience with you. And when the patience is gone, go back inside yourself and find some more. You need a ton of love for him. He needs a ton of love for you.  And when the love is gone, go back inside yourself and find some more. 

Some folks suggest not talking to your spouse about the desire for D/s or BDSM in the marriage, and I think it does work for some people.  That depends on the individual relationship. At least one of the websites Amayos suggested will provide tremendous support for that choice. But I am here to tell you that if a ton of patience and love is necessary for the open-communication path, you'll need triple it for the silently submissive one.

It CAN work.  But it IS work. It's not a fantasy game.

Good luck to you. 

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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/15/2007 4:16:21 PM   
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AslavesJoy I understand your plight, it is actually very common, though many married people seem to turn to deception and cheating rather than face a problem openly,courageously, and honestly as it is: a problem.  On the surface your question appears simple but in fact, it is rather complex.

A lot depends upon the strength of the couples bond and love.  There needs to be great love and a good bond in all ways to turn a man who thinks such concept odd, and even more should he think the concept wrong for ethical or religious reasons. If the bond is good, then you stand a decent chance.  If the love and bond between you is asexual and weak I suspect that you stand little chance.

I enjoyed mbes's suggestion especially the article entitled "introduce."  This is a supportive and good suggestion.

Three routes that I suggest are John Norman's (yes, I hear the "Oh no...the land of Gor moans) book which does not even mention Gor at any point: "Imaginative Sex."  This gem of a paperback would give him about 50 "play" scenarios from being the pirate capturing the highborne lady and giving her the option of "walking the plank" or making believe that she is a harlot who must walk the talk.  There are mild scenarios, and stronger ones like alien tentacles.  But unless he is religiously opposed or finds the concept repulsive the two of you might find in this book a common ground to "play-act."  The line between "play-act" and reality, in your case might be non-existant.  You may find a sublime experience even has his is "just fun and erotic."  Your erotic response just may fuel his erotic response.  Unfortunately this small novel is a rare book and sells from $45-$100, but since a divorce can cost $40,000, you might consider it.  You can easily sell it again on half.com or ebay for as much or more if you buy wisely.

If he enjoys sci-fi/fantasy, buy him the much cheaper John Norman "Slave Girl of Gor."  If it makes an erotic connection you're in!  If not, I'm sure you'll find it a masturbatory delight.

The last suggestion is to find a psychotherapist.  It may take four or five interviews, but you would find one that understands your needs, and is willing to meet with you a few times, and then have him join.  The environment can be supportive with every psychotherapist's goal which is to heal the rift that is damaging the marriage.  You have needs.  They are somewhat unique, but since the Hite report and others indicate that about 12-17% of couples utilize aspects of d/s as a "routine" part of their sex life, they are not that unique.  Feeling as though you are enslaved floats your boat, and if you can waken him to that, he has much to gain.

AslavesJoy, I realize that you are likely long gone, and that your profile is closed, and you will never returne here, feeling abused and shamed.  Were I in your position I too would have closed my profile and left.  I too would have expected sympathy and support for a woman whose sexuality has been awakened.  I am saddened that there seems little support or understanding and tolerance here.  So this is posted not for you, for I suspect you will never read this, but for others that might find this useful.

It is very, very common for natural submissives to marry submissive men--almost the norm, though I don't know why.  This is a common scenario, and one that holds deep emotional turmoil for a newly "out of the closet" submissive.  Indeed we don't need to talk here in the forums in the third person, but a simple "this is not in a scene, so it's best to phrase your questions in the first person in the forums" would have done enough.  The question about "why did you marry him" points at pure ignorance and complete and utter lack of understanding of awakining human sexuality, and I apologize for that.  The reason that you married him may have been that you had not awakened to your sexuality, or perhaps you became pregnant, and it was the right thing to do--that is not a point of discussion--that is a point of rudness.  Every human being does what he or she thinks is the best thing to do at the time.

We are kinky here.  We are a bit different--and it is wise to realize that behind every name is a sensitive, loving human being.  It is also wise to realize that the person who has been driven--with shame, away from here just may have, two years in the future, been that wonderful woman that you met at a munch that  compliments you perfectly.  When we are blaming and shaming we drive these people away, into a place of shame and uncertainty--exactly at a time when they need us the most.  Please think about that people.  If you want my respect treat others with kindness.

I do thank those here who were genuine and sensitive in their responses.


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RE: How do I help my husband to be my Master? - 1/15/2007 4:35:24 PM   
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well.. there has been some good posts here... maybe ASlavesjoy can come back with some thoughts in response.

Feedback is always a good thing in realm of communication

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