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RobertCloud -> RE: Slavesrs's Rant (1/13/2007 9:38:54 PM)
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I am going to try to tackle several things in this thread in one post.
slavesrs... your original post had several problems, you stated an opinion in an all encompassing manner so that it included everyone else in your opinion. Yes, you tried to say that it was your opinion, but as you read it it was obvious that anyone reading it had to include themselves in that reading, thus you set yourself up for attack. Whether or not you would have received more attacks had it been worded to the opposite effect or not, I really do not think matters and the truth is, I do not think you the number, or quality would have been different. It was in your approach and manner of stating your opinion.
#2. You did begin a second thread that would have been better to keep in this thread, and as it is your opinion and it is not based upon fact you are right to say that in your eyes there is no right or wrong answer. That is not to say that there is no right or wrong politically or socially correct answer. As another poster pointed out that if someone had stated that in their opinion Hitler should have succeeded in slaughtering all of the Hebrew people, socially, morally, ethically, politically we can all see that that opinion would have a wrong answer. In that person's eyes, and perhaps in many of their friends' eyes they would see it as a right answer. However, by far the majority would condemn such an opinion. The idea of a completely Male Supremacy or Female Supremacy world is going to arouse anger from one side or the other. I would stand up and argue against anyone trying to take away my rights to be dominant and force me to kneel before a woman just as many women would do the same if they were to be force in the opposite respects. I can understand your opinion, but the majority of the world is not going to agree with you. There is a group that will, but I warn you they are harsh and they also tend to roleplay too much for a serious relationship.
#3. This is to everyone else, no matter what her opinion is, personal attacks are never called for. They show an ignorance upon the person doing the attack, and to attack those that support her is no better. There will always be people that believe as she does. Look to the Goreans, even the Free Women of the Goreans for the most part still believe that the Men are Dominant and the only way that they can secure their own freedom is to find a Free Companion. It is partly why the Goreans are so popular, many men are tired of feminism and are tired of Female Supremist, and want a Male Dominated world and in Gor they get that. I was once Gorean and admittedly that was one of the things that attracted me to it, but I also came to realize that not all women deserve to be in a collar, in fact the idea of collaring some women scares the hell out of me. Yet, that is not why I left Gor, I left Gor because it is full of deceit and treachery but that is another story for another time.
#4. Female Supremacy will never have the opponents that Male Supremacy has because this has never been a world where Women have been in control and horrendous things have been done to the opposite sex just because they could be done. Men have always been in control, they have raped, pillaged and plundered the world, and they have beaten and abused women. Men, ask yourselves, what do you do to avoid being raped? Hell, if you live in Kansas City, you had better start thinking about it, there is a serial rapist that is raping men there, and that is only the first case reported. From what I understand, there is evidence that another such case may be taking place in a couple of other cities. Copycat criminals... So what are you going to do to avoid being raped? How does it feel to have to start thinking about it? Women have had to think about it all their lives, they can tell you hundreds of things they do every single day of their lives. Now you are going to have to start learning them or soon you may be a victim of ass rape. BTW one of the victims was a former High School FootBall Star, so don't think being tough and strong will protect you. A gun or knife to the throat is a great neutralizer, or what if the rapist knows self-defense moves better than you, or is a body builder, or a bouncer, or someone you just cannot defend against, or perhaps the rapist is not one person but a group of women getting even... You really think you would enjoy being forced to be ass raped by six or seven women at a time. This world has always been a world where women have had to fear that so speaking of Female Supremacy does not bring the anger or the hostility that speaking of Male Supremacy does, do you blame women for feeling threatened when they think of a world where they could once again be subjected to the whims of every man without any recompense. Remember the "Rule of the Thumb", in England it used to be legal to beat your wife with a stick as long as it was not thicker than your thumb. Do you blame them for not wanting that back? I don't.
#5. I realize we are talking lifestyle and not world situations here, but even in lifestyle no one can completely forget the past and no one should be forced to give up who or what they are inside. slavesrs has the right to her opinion, we may disagree with it, it may be the politically incorrect viewpoint for the general lifestyler, but she still has the right to her opinion and it is not harming anyone. She did not word it in the best of ways possible and irritated a lot of people. Personally, I do not want a male sub kneeling at my feet, that idea disgust me, but will I have one as a friend, yes. Him being submissive does not disgust me. Personally, I will not have a relationship with a Domme, I know it is doomed to failure, but will I be her friend, I welcome it. She is a good soul and I have met some wonderful Dominant females that I call friends, (LOL, I did collar three btw, so you might want to be careful around me, well, they really were not very Dominant and were kind of submissive to begin with and I saw through the mask, and it was while I was Gorean, but again, that is a long story, and as I said there are many that scare the hell out of me to even think of them in a collar).
Now, to close, everyone has the right to be what they feel they need to be inside. Everyone also has the right to associate with those they feel comfortable being around. If you do not feel comfortable being around someone because they are a certain way then don't advertise your dislike or disgust, just don't associate. Do not make it harder on yourself by showing your biases or prejudices in the open to be ridiculed, be smart and keep it to yourself.
I personally am not comfortable around people of certain religious beliefs, so I avoid them, not because they are not good people, but because I have read and studied the formation of their beliefs and know that the man that set up their beliefs was a liar and basically has set up a cult that has lasted long after his death and yet to try to convince these people of that is like trying to convince someone that the sky is clear and what you are actually seeing that makes it blue is the water in the air that light is passing through. That is true, but you won't get many to believe you.
Good night, and if you have read my long missive, I thank you,
Mitakuye Oyasin,
Robert Cloud
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