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catize -> RE: Acting out: Can't seem to stop? (1/14/2007 7:35:13 AM)

Bita,
I’m going to focus my response to one word in the title of your thread: acting.
It was my experience when I first began exploring my submission I did not feel it internally.  In fact, a dominant I spent time with early on told me that he believed I was simply going through the motions.  That hurt my feelings because I was trying so hard!  But on reflection I realized his assessment was correct.
There are people who regard WIITWD much like a play.  When the curtain comes down, everybody goes home, back to their reality.  But that’s fine because they all had fun!
Some others regard WIITWD as their reality; living it rather than following a script.
Too often I find it necessary to remind myself that I agreed to give master authority over me. Intrinsic submission still is the harder yet more fulfilling path I have chosen. 
In my line of work we use a phrase; “fake it ‘til ya make it.”  I have found that actions do eventually build the genuine feelings.
 “That’s not my cue” becomes “Yes, Sir/Ma’am.”    




kisshou -> RE: Acting out: Can't seem to stop? (1/14/2007 11:23:15 AM)

thank you celeste for a thoughtful and well written post. It is really great!




BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: Acting out: Can't seem to stop? (1/15/2007 6:57:28 AM)

I have reread your post several times Celeste.  I am struggling, oh god am I struggling.  I'm not acting out, but I do feel like my journaling is a constant whine-fest about this and that, and I am so not a whiner.

I want so badly to just let go, but I'm so confused and frustrated.  [&o]

I don't want to invite the people of the fora into our relationship, but I feel like I am drowning. [&o]




Donnalee -> RE: Acting out: Can't seem to stop? (1/15/2007 7:31:04 AM)

Great post, Celeste.  I always learn so much when people open up their thought processes and show the inner voice of their evolution.

quote:

 darkdesire wrote:  While I am submissive, while my desires to serve completely as a slave are real, truly giving up control is much harder than I ever believed it would be.  The temptation is to try to serve how I want to serve, to try to be controlled in the way I want to be controlled.  Being a slave is a daily exercise in releasing oneself, one's desires and ideas, to something outside of the self, and that is far harder than I ever thought it would be.  And yet, it's exactly where I want to be, exactly what I want to be working on...it is the path that leads me home.    


When I read that, it really hit home, and it reminds me of something I say to myself..."Just because I want it, doesn't mean I have the skills to achieve it.....yet."  Any kind of growth and development takes time, and I'm often more patient with others than I am with myself.  And sometimes no matter how much I want to change, I still want to do it in my own time.




Celeste43 -> RE: Acting out: Can't seem to stop? (1/17/2007 7:20:28 AM)

Excellent post. However I do have one caveat which is that this level of submission should not be expected in a new relationship. When you are new, either in the lifestyle or just in the relationship, then I think it is appropriate to act out.

Both acting out meaning not submitting in order to see if the self proclaimed dominant really does walk the walk, and also because acting as if is a way to learn how. It's a well known technique, if you are insecure in large gathering for example, then you model your behavior on someone who acts very secure in such gatherings. The acting lets you learn the techniques needed to truly become secure in a crowd.

Once you are secure in your dominant being who he/she says they are, and that they are really compatible with you, and you've learned enough skills in the task then you need to work on your inner submissive, so to speak. But I see this as coming afterwards, no good becoming the perfect submissive inside and only then noticing that you are submitting to someone who doesn't want you to submit.




onestandingstill -> RE: Acting out: Can't seem to stop? (1/17/2007 8:11:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Excellent post. However I do have one caveat which is that this level of submission should not be expected in a new relationship. When you are new, either in the lifestyle or just in the relationship, then I think it is appropriate to act out.

I firmly disagree. I do not condone from the day you take the title of someone's submissive that it's ever OK to intentionally act out or you make your submission a power struggle and not a power exchange.
I agree a new submissive, even with the most honorable intentions does indeed have to learn her position by making mistakes that show the err of their ways to them and thir newness be considered in the severity of the infraction though.

Both acting out meaning not submitting in order to see if the self proclaimed dominant really does walk the walk, and also because acting as if is a way to learn how. It's a well known technique, if you are insecure in large gathering for example, then you model your behavior on someone who acts very secure in such gatherings. The acting lets you learn the techniques needed to truly become secure in a crowd.
I also disagree with this line of thinking.
I think to manipulate, act, and test your Dominant in this fashion is the action of a controlling bottom if done intentionally.
It shows you should have never asked him to be your Sir and you rushed into something without accepting or respecting the vow you gave or make.
Again I make major mistakes, it does show me the proof in the pudding so to speak, but again it was not premeditated manipulation but an accident.
I will never treat a Dom I with my own choice, and admission serve like a trained seal for my amusement and peace.
This is a huge cause of dissention in the ranked order laid before a sub and immature and disgusting in my book.
Security as a sub comes from trusting you image is your Dom/Domme's to do with what he chooses to do with it in the public eye.
Your job is to do as your told and not worry about your image as you're only a reflection of him, you have no image but that which the Dom chooses to present you as.
Your job is to trust what ever image yourtop projects forthe both of you is what they think is best for you both.
 
I personally have not been able to do this job as far as getting rid of the feelings I have a right to my public image and have recanted that I'm a sub just this past week though I try with my everything to be one.
Till I can change my big I into HIS little i, I have not earned the place of his sub without bringing him dishonor.
In my mind being a sub is only about honor, and not manipulation intended or accidentally.
You have to walk the walk to talk the talk in my world, not pr=ortray yourself as there and hope you can fake everyone out!


Once you are secure in your dominant being who he/she says they are, and that they are really compatible with you, and you've learned enough skills in the task then you need to work on your inner submissive, so to speak.
You need to accept this before you accept someone as your Dom not go in blind, rushed, and stuipd in my eyes.
This is not a game to some of us, rather our livesare laid on the line.
How can you give your life to someone you don't trust and be being responsible for yourself?
But I see this as coming afterwards, no good becoming the perfect submissive inside and only then noticing that you are submitting to someone who doesn't want you to submit.
Being that good submissive is indeed hard and sometimes not in you yet, but in that you still have to be honest in your life as a sub and in your persuit to be a good one, not manipulate to get your way.




Celeste43 -> RE: Acting out: Can't seem to stop? (1/17/2007 1:30:05 PM)

Obviously we agree to disagree. In a long life I have learned that damn few people really do live up to their word. I always take a wait and see attitude because if I have no expectations of them, then I won't be hurt by their inability to do what they say.

As far as changing from I to i, not in my relationship. He doesn't want to diminish me, he wants me as strong and capable as possible. The more powerful I am, the more it means to him that I submit to him.

He's happy with me, and that's all that matters. We've been together for over three years and the intimacy of the relationship has grown steadily deeper over that time as we have learned to trust each other more and more.




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