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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/14/2007 5:43:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50
I couldnt have said it better myself, Thank you!


Liek many it was Anais Nin who got me interested in erotic fiction to begin with.

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/14/2007 5:48:03 PM   
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I think this is an outstanding post.  Thank you.  I am going to try and keep your words in mind when I edit my own writing or read someone else's story.  I should have known this.

Christine


Everybody applies this to regular fiction, but erotic fantasy strikes people different somehow, it's more intimate maybe - but that's why they call it fantasy.

Here's a website you might enjoy: http://www.erotica-readers.com/ERA/index.htm

- there's even a couple of BDSM themed stories up now I see.

Which brings me to asking how many in here enjoy reading erotic/pornographic  fiction?

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/14/2007 5:54:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then there are those of us who have shared fantasies in the past.. and see them in print with another author credited.
It isn't just that we don't want to share.  It may be that we don't want to share with people we don't know from jack squat.  I tell them, get your own fantasies.
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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/14/2007 6:03:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Understood, and since I have every intention of eventually selling my adaptations, a contract would be in order - typically these are weighted towards the artist - not that there's a lot of money in it anyway - for the simple reason that the artist only owns the art - if the story rights are optioned to Hollywood or something, it's the author that stands to make the big bucks.

Being as the liklihood of any erotic fiction being optioned to Hollywood, the split could be negotiable - there is so much erotic fiction on the web of course, that the chances of actually getting published would be much higher if it was in illustrated/sequential form - kind of a value added thing.

And yeah, I do write my own stuff, but I like being suprised - there are better writers than myself I've found.

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/14/2007 6:07:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do usually make the distinction between fantasy and erotic fiction - it would be very difficult to adapt Cuddlehearts Anais Nin quote above to illustrated form.

It's actually a pretty diffiucult genre in a difficult medium - some of the best stuff I've read is practically impossible to put into sequential imagery.


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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/14/2007 6:20:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		In fact, the way it usually works is taht the writer pays the artist, per page, and markets the story themselves: the artist only what was paid for the piecework, and the original art to try and sell on e-bay - artists get screwed on spec work all the time too.

In short, it does require a degree of trust, you are correct there.

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 9:02:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh sure, mention butt plugs and you get a complete breakdown of size, texture and frequency, mental, physical and emotional aspects - mention fantasy and everybody clams up all suddenly. 

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 9:09:55 AM   
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Oh sure, mention butt plugs and you get a complete breakdown of size, texture and frequency, mental, physical and emotional aspects - mention fantasy and everybody clams up all suddenly. 


That is because they bitch about HNG speak, but in reality that is all they ever talk about.  When you analyze it, they are not actually "complaining" about it, they are bragging about their emails.

However, on topic.

In one scenario I was involved in I conversed by a couple of emails first.  The lady turned out to be very intelligent and articulate, a fellow geek and the whole nine yards.  So it went to the telephone.  A couple of lengthy telephone conversations focused on us as people then turned into some more intimate details of sexual interests.  It just goes from there and it really depends on both parties how that progresses, ie. what time frame.  You play it by ear.  Some take longer than others.  Some just want to play around and hop right on the cam, some are serious about developing a connection, but that is how the mating game goes I guess, especially over the internet.

I figure you either stop your bitching and get used to it or go look somewhere else because I do not foresee it changing any time soon.

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 9:30:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah I get that part, it really hasn't been a problem for me in that sense, I don't just spill out my fantasies to everybody I meet either - like I said, I'm just interested in the whole phenomona of fantasy, how big a part it plays in people lives in a non-judgemental way - kind of a thread hijack, but I thought I'd take one more shot at keeping it alive.

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 9:34:16 AM   
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Hooker #1: Hey, little man! You want some of this?
Hooker #2: How 'bout you, big boy?
Hooker #1: You got 50 bucks, we can get NASTY.
Jay: Oh, yeah? How nasty?
Hooker #2: As nasty as you want to be, papi.
Jay: Oh, all right. Well, first, I want you to tongue my bung, while you juggle my balls in one hand, and play with my asshole with the other, but don't stick you're finger in. Then I want to pinky you while I stick in your fuckin' friend's brown, while Silent Bob watches, and fuckin' spanks it in a Dixie cup. After that, I want to smell your titties for a while, and you can pull my nutsack up over my dick so it looks like a bullfrog. Then I want you to fuckin' flick my nuts while your friend spanks me off in the same Dixie cup that Silent Bob jizzed in. Then, we throw the Dixie cup out.
[brief silence]
Hooker #1: Oh, that's it, honey! I quit! This job just passed the point of no return!
[both hookers leave]
Jay: What? You said "nasty"!
[to Silent Bob]
Jay: Man, chicks in Hollywood are so stuck-up.

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 9:36:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		lol.  Sometimes I lie in bed at night and fantasize about different scenarios if I am having troubles getting to sleep.  I figure out how to enact them and then go about doing so.  I have a life philosophy that I will try anything once and more if I like it, so I try to act them all out.

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 9:40:37 AM   
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My fantasy is to be served a plate of hot cornbread by a nude Helen Mirren. Yes, she's an older woman, but I lust for her lol. And the bread.


Let take Level's fantasy here as an example - Helen Mirren I get, but what is the symbolic significance of the Cornbread? At face value, my first instinct is that he's putting me on, i.e., he has a sense of humor. On a deeper level, it might indicate an association between food and sex, i.e., a sub under consideration might think about brushing up on her cooking skills, etc.

Doesn't have to be all heavy to be useful, your deepest darkest fears and desires, it can be part of the give and take, negotiation, etc.

For instance, do you ever fantasize about 3 ways - not neccessarily detailed specifics, but MMF, FFM, FFF, I have to consider whether I can arrange that or not, or want to, whether it's something you really want to try, or just a possibility to think about at a later date, etc., etc., but at the same time it's a little more intimate than yes or no answers, it's conversation, banter.

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 10:00:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, and for the record, that photomanip is not a representative sample of my artwork, it's ten minutes in Photoshop with a pic of Helen Mirren.

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 12:27:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone that wants to know my fantasies will have to buy one of the books. I gotta pay the bills too. On the other hand I do love reading well written erotic writing as others have said.

I had to smile at the post about lying in bed creating scenes in their mind to go to sleep. I do that also, always have. Unfortunately I fall asleep very quickly.


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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 2:23:29 PM   
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In short, it does require a degree of trust, you are correct there.


I guess thats the part I don't get. It's just a fantasy. Trust them to or not to...?
My fantasies are spread out for the world to see in writing and video in the link below if you dig thruogh my blog enough, you'll know them, and thus me. I fear no man, nor womans rejection (outside the odd TOC/TOU policy here and  there..lol) and would think sharing our fantasies far less personal a thing than most, and once shared, they can become another's vision or enjoyment, which is why I'd ask a woman her's to begin with, to by knowing it, make it reality. Any other purpose, would be for scoundrels.

Then again, I have been told I'm just too WFO about all this.(WideFuckingOpen)
maybe so.

MGD


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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 2:34:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Amaros

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ORIGINAL: Level

My fantasy is to be served a plate of hot cornbread by a nude Helen Mirren. Yes, she's an older woman, but I lust for her lol. And the bread.


Let take Level's fantasy here as an example - Helen Mirren I get, but what is the symbolic significance of the Cornbread? At face value, my first instinct is that he's putting me on, i.e., he has a sense of humor. On a deeper level, it might indicate an association between food and sex, i.e., a sub under consideration might think about brushing up on her cooking skills, etc.

Doesn't have to be all heavy to be useful, your deepest darkest fears and desires, it can be part of the give and take, negotiation, etc.

For instance, do you ever fantasize about 3 ways - not neccessarily detailed specifics, but MMF, FFM, FFF, I have to consider whether I can arrange that or not, or want to, whether it's something you really want to try, or just a possibility to think about at a later date, etc., etc., but at the same time it's a little more intimate than yes or no answers, it's conversation, banter.


The cornbread was from me being a recently diagnosed diabetic lol; no more bread for me.

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 3:47:46 PM   
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In short, it does require a degree of trust, you are correct there.


I guess thats the part I don't get. It's just a fantasy. Trust them to or not to...?
My fantasies are spread out for the world to see in writing and video in the link below if you dig thruogh my blog enough, you'll know them, and thus me. I fear no man, nor womans rejection (outside the odd TOC/TOU policy here and  there..lol) and would think sharing our fantasies far less personal a thing than most, and once shared, they can become another's vision or enjoyment, which is why I'd ask a woman her's to begin with, to by knowing it, make it reality. Any other purpose, would be for scoundrels.

Then again, I have been told I'm just too WFO about all this.(WideFuckingOpen)
maybe so.

MGD



It's hard to be an artist and not be wide open to some extent.

Anyway, we were talking about two different things in that exchange - the meta-topic is fantasies, but in that particular exchange Missokyst was relating her fears of plagarism, and I was talking about the author artist relationship in sequential the art field - it is, unfortunately, rife with such misunderstandings, and stuff is ripped off all the time.

I wish to avoid such a reputation, and as my personal style is highly recognizable to anyone remotely paying attention,  it would not be easy for me to dissociate myself from it - it's a bit harder sometimes to distinguish writing styles, and usually one relies on freinds familiar with your work to spot rip-offs on a random basis.

But the entire discussion stems from failing to make a distinction between fantasy as a conversational device, and writing erotic fiction - the two may be related, but they aren't the same thing.

Fantasies require no plot, character development, conflict, or denoument, etc. they're like little fugues, that need not make sense or go anywhere.

Womens fantasies tend to be like this, more diffuse and poetic, they convey a mood - wheras mens fantasies, from what I glean, tend to be more descriptive and explicit - less mood, more action.

It interests me because I'd like to do things that appeal to women, a bit more artistic and literary, as opposed to churning out straight porn, while remembering that as a commercial as well as an artistic enterprise, I'd like to appeal to as broad a market as possible.

Heh, one is tempted to turn to algorithms, i.e.:

quote:

A University of London lecturer claims to have discovered the essential formula for creating hit movies, the Liverpool Daily Post reported today (Wednesday). According to Sue Clayton, who is also a movie director and a member of the British Film Council, films that have become hits have 30 percent action; 17 percent comedy; 13 percent "good versus evil," 12 percent love/sex romance; 10 percent special effects and 10 percent music.


http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2003-05-14

Consider that in your next fantasy.


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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 4:14:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Level
The cornbread was from me being a recently diagnosed diabetic lol; no more bread for me.


Sorry to tease you with the photomanip then, glad I didn't spend more time on it - unles you're into denial...

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 4:28:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol Amaros, no problem. I suppose a more reasonable fantasy would be having Mirren serve me veggies .

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RE: What is your fantasy? - 1/15/2007 6:13:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Helen Mirren just won a Golden Globe, to go with the two she already has .

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