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What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 2:25:19 PM   
MistressMelissa


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I get that to some its a form of humiliation play, but when I look at the health risks, I really can't get my head around this. While I have no issue hurting a slave, harming a slave is another store.

I understand the mental aspect of hand feeding a slave to show them that everything comes from the owner. But I don't understand how you get from there, to feeding your slave a scat burger washed down with a glass of warn urine. 

I understand that the donor is required to control their diet in order to control the taste or toxicity of their gift, but I don't see the return in it. All I see is a new episode of CSI.

What am I missing when I read profiles of slaves seeking toilet training? Is it just a case of "I'm a real slave, I'll even eat your shit"?

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 2:38:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		In addition to the humiliation, and the objectification, and even the sadism, if I was to guess I'd say it is also about nursing instincts.  Feeding another human being that is helpless to you with your own body.  A manifestation of the desire of one party to lactate/excrete, and another to nurse.

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 2:43:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Urine is sterile so it's safe for you to expect someone to drink it. Scat is too gross for me, but I can see the appeal of degrading someone to become a toilet.

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 3:00:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Urine is only sterile until it reaches the urethra.

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 3:05:52 PM   
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Urine is only sterile until it reaches the urethra.

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Well goddamn those Fight Club PA's for lying to me then.
I would assume that from the urethra and beyond (hmm sounds like a sci-fi catchpharase) any bacteria it picks up is negligible health wise.

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 3:13:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DemonSadist

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ORIGINAL: stef

Urine is only sterile until it reaches the urethra.

~stef


Well goddamn those Fight Club PA's for lying to me then.
I would assume that from the urethra and beyond (hmm sounds like a sci-fi catchpharase) any bacteria it picks up is negligible health wise.


It's clean enough so the course for special ops troops includes cleaning a wound with urine if sterile wash isn't available.

There is also a distinction between "sterile" and "infectious."  Sterile means "no life"  For something to be infectious, it has to contain a pathogen.   Very little we come into contact in day to day life is sterile.  What we have to worry is when the pathogen load is enough to overwhem the immune system.

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 3:32:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

quote:

ORIGINAL: DemonSadist

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ORIGINAL: stef

Urine is only sterile until it reaches the urethra.

~stef


Well goddamn those Fight Club PA's for lying to me then.
I would assume that from the urethra and beyond (hmm sounds like a sci-fi catchpharase) any bacteria it picks up is negligible health wise.


It's clean enough so the course for special ops troops includes cleaning a wound with urine if sterile wash isn't available.

There is also a distinction between "sterile" and "infectious."  Sterile means "no life"  For something to be infectious, it has to contain a pathogen.   Very little we come into contact in day to day life is sterile.  What we have to worry is when the pathogen load is enough to overwhem the immune system.


Think of it this way... there are more bacteria and viruses on your desk and keyboard right now then there are in your toilet. That's a fact. The reality is that our bodies are always fighting bacteria. It is just that 99.99% of the time, the body kills it with no problem.

Urine isn't as dangerous. It is about 95% water. The rest is mostly excess vitamins, cellular waste, and minerals that the body can't digest or use. Scat however can be dangerous since many things get expelled that way. Including some very serious bacteria and viruses.

But in reality, you actually will come in contact with MUCH, MUCH more bacteria if you do any kind of body worship, such as a popular one...foot worship. You would be amazed of the kinds of pathagens that live on our feet. Everything from fungi like Tinea (Ringworm) to bacteria like Staphylococcus aureus. Both can be tough bugs to get rid of if you become infected by either.

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 3:34:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		In addition the new dried rations can be moistened with urine according to the military's web site....

Water ain't sterile by a damn sight most of the time.

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 4:29:12 PM   
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Well goddamn those Fight Club PA's for lying to me then.
I would assume that from the urethra and beyond (hmm sounds like a sci-fi catchpharase) any bacteria it picks up is negligible health wise.

And that assumption would be right more often then not  

~stef

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 6:07:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressMelissa
What am I missing when I read profiles of slaves seeking toilet training? Is it just a case of "I'm a real slave, I'll even eat your shit"?


i assume you've heard the expression "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand"?

The desire for degradation can be a huge part of it. People can also end up developing fetishes for bodily waste, through whatever mechanisms it is that generate fetishism (personally, i'd bet that it often comes down to having to use the bathroom to masturbate in privacy while growing up).

But are you asking about the allure from the Top's perspective, or the bottom's? Since it does seem to be one of those fetishes that are one-sided even by Femdom/malesub standards, finding someone to explain the allure from the Top's perspective could mean a bit of a wait

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 6:25:44 PM   
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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 6:28:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

In addition the new dried rations can be moistened with urine according to the military's web site....

Water ain't sterile by a damn sight most of the time.

Ron



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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 6:42:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		While i have never recieved any actual "training", i have been used as a personal urinal by my Masters (3 all together) and have never had any illness from it.  And, although i have never been fed a "scat burger", since none of my Masters had any interest in that, i have licked their asses clean and have never gotten ill from that either.  This over the course of nearly 30 years as a slave.

For me, it is not a matter of degradation or humiliation to drink my Master's urine or lick His ass clean.  It is just a part of my duties and i enjoy providing a service to Him that He can't get just anywhere.  It is very personal and intimate and makes me feel very special.  For my Master, He loves the feeling of a warm mouth on His dick when He is urinating and He loves the feeling of a wet tongue cleaning His ass.  i guess that's about all there is to it, for me.

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 6:59:20 PM   
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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 7:02:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DemonSadist

Urine is sterile so it's safe for you to expect someone to drink it. Scat is too gross for me, but I can see the appeal of degrading someone to become a toilet.


There's a difference between something being sterile and being poisonous. I mean rubbing alcohol is sterile, but if you drink it you can go blind and/or be killed. Come to think of it, sulfuric acid is probably sterile, but you won't catch me drinking that either.

Thanks for the response.

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 7:07:30 PM   
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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 7:15:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: petdave

i assume you've heard the expression "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand"?


You may be correct. I try to keep an open mind and with my search for additional slaves I've taken some time to reflect of what are my limits and where are my boundaries. This is an issue I've tried to look at from many different angles and I still can't wrap my head around it. It'll just stay on my limits list. I don't understand bestiality either, but that's probably best left for another thread.

Thank you for all your input.

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 7:19:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I DO very much "get" this fetish...it is the: (1) taboo nature of it, (2) the physical and emotional intimacy of it, and (3) the humiliation of it. I have never done scat though I have enjoyed worshipping ass. I have been wondering about the health risks of scat and would throw this out there in the hopes of getting information on that. Though it is highly erotic in CONCEPT to me...I worry about the health risks. Recently, I have been told by one prospective domme that scat is safe provided that the domme is disease-free herself. However, to me, healthy or not, it would seem that a person's scat would contain quite an overload of bacteria at the very least. Any comments? Thank You...

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/16/2007 7:47:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Urine is sterile, but there's a lot of E.coli in the bowels - saliva will destroy an aweful lot of things, and the mouth is a very hostile environment, but there is always some risk of infection, exacerbated if you have open sores, etc., same as any other bacterial or viral pathogen.  would be a lot like the stomach flu, diarrhea, upset stomach, etc. - not good if your immune system is down, or you have some other problems, otherwise, unpleasant but you'll probobly survive.

Google it.

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RE: What's the attraction to toilet training? - 1/19/2007 6:43:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been a full toilet for 25 years now, and a toilet for golden for 32 years now,.

I am getting ready to do yet another toilet video. Hopefully we'll have more than a dozen ladies using me as a toilet this time.

I am a very hungry and thirsty toilet.

I have never had more than a slight upset stomach that was gone within a couple of hours.

I love eating my meals direct from mistress's ass.

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