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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Ok so presuming you are correct (and you are not) that the USA was a part of the war before pearl harbour would you care to prove you were dragged into it or are you back peddling on that one?

Edited to add germany and italy declared war on you three days after pearl harbour. The USA appears to have taken on what they thought were the little guys Germany and italy and then very bravely killed an estimated 140,000 people on august the 6th 1945 in a nuke attack on Japan. 

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

So proud lol. The USA only became involved in world war two when it became in their interest. When we requested help you turned us down other than supply aid which we paid for. Pity Tony Blair didnt tell George Bush to go stick it when you asked us for help.

"In a nutshell, everything we got from America in World War II was free," says economic historian Professor Mark Harrison, of Warwick University.

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Under the programme, the US had effectively donated equipment for the war effort, but anything left over in Britain at the end of hostilities and still needed would have to be paid for.

But the price would please a bargain hunter - the US only wanted one-tenth of the production cost of the equipment and would lend the money to pay for it.

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And while the UK dutifully pays off its World War II debts, those from World War I remain resolutely unpaid. And are by no means trifling.

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Edited to add - How did you win that war? You resorted to nuclear war fare on hiroshima and nagasaki. An estimated 140,000 people were killed in those bombings. Big pat on the back for you.

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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Ok so presuming you are correct (and you are not) that the USA was a part of the war before pearl harbour would you care to prove you were dragged into it or are you back peddling on that one?

Edited to add germany and italy declared war on you three days after pearl harbour. The USA appears to have taken on what they thought were the little guys Germany and italy and then very bravely killed an estimated 140,000 people on august the 6th 1945 in a nuke attack on Japan. 

    Actually, that is the estimated total of two separate attacks.  The highest single event of civilian deaths was the joint US- British firebombing of Dresden.

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

So proud lol. The USA only became involved in world war two when it became in their interest. When we requested help you turned us down other than supply aid which we paid for. Pity Tony Blair didnt tell George Bush to go stick it when you asked us for help.

Of course it was in our interest.  No nation does anything that's not "in their interest".  Neither do people.  What's the point?
I have done things not in my own interest to help others.

As far as Lend Lease and your payments that were completed recently, correct? It was even posted here.
Yes we've paid you back.

Some things you might have missed in the quoted article:

"In a nutshell, everything we got from America in World War II was free," says economic historian Professor Mark Harrison, of Warwick University.
Hmm and yet we have only just finished paying you back.

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Under the programme, the US had effectively donated equipment for the war effort, but anything left over in Britain at the end of hostilities and still needed would have to be paid for.
You didnt donate you lent.

But the price would please a bargain hunter - the US only wanted one-tenth of the production cost of the equipment and would lend the money to pay for it.

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And while the UK dutifully pays off its World War II debts, those from World War I remain resolutely unpaid. And are by no means trifling.
Good we owe you nothing in the way of debts for war.

As far as providing "only what you could pay for", I beg to differ.  Ever heard the saying "Oversexed, overpaid and over here."?

I value the lives our my countrymen more than any equipment or money we may have loaned you.
i personally value all human life whether they be american, japanese or British etc. I personally find a nuclear attack cowardly.

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Edited to add - How did you win that war? You resorted to nuclear war fare on hiroshima and nagasaki. An estimated 140,000 people were killed in those bombings. Big pat on the back for you.

So?

I'd trade 140,000 citizens of any country before I would allow the sacrifice of an estimated million US casualities.
I wouldnt - innocent lives and all that.

I've heard that patriotism is dead in the UK, so perhaps you wouldn't mind letting a million of your countrymen die, so that you can maintain some vague moral high ground.
I personally would rather noone died. I am surprised to find you defend a country which recently has gone into war for the glory of controlling oil. Now yes i can see where your interests lie there.

*shrugs*

Just call me a Neanderthal.  I'd prefer to keep my countrymen alive first.

FirmKY

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If the US is as Imperialist as many appear to believe why, wonder of wonders, did they not retain control of Japan ?

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I'd trade 140,000 citizens of any country before I would allow the sacrifice of an estimated million US casualities.

I've heard that patriotism is dead in the UK, so perhaps you wouldn't mind letting a million of your countrymen die, so that you can maintain some vague moral high ground.

Just call me a Neanderthal.  I'd prefer to keep my countrymen alive first.

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Tho' Adolf did declare War on the USA. surely in the light of events at the time that was not much more than a gesture ? The US could quite easily , in my opinion, have told Europe to go and eff itself, wait until Germany defeated the Soviet Union and   concentrate on the enemy in the East. ie Japan. Had they not have had a Jewish President, that is almost certainly what would have happened.  In my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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If the US is as Imperialist as many appear to believe why, wonder of wonders, did they not retain control of Japan ?

Lets see.

We forced Japan to sign a constitution of our choosing.  In that constitution we stated that Japan could not develop their military any more than 10% of their gross national product.  In exchange, the US agreed to cover Japan under the umbrella of the US' military.

Then we retooled their industries, loaned them money, and told them what they could do with themselves on the world stage.

****How exactly do you define "giving up control of Japan.***

Sinergy

p.s. Although an argument could be made that Japan refused to relinquish control of the United States after they lost the war.

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ORIGINAL meatcleaver
I've no idea what hold America has over Britain but Britain puts the US's interests before its own. Maybe it is just psychological,....

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Missturbation, I love you madly, but you are  allowing your emotions to lead you astray. If at the time  the US had got itself into position to launch a ground strike on Japan, your decision, and you saw estimates of the likely casulties to your own troops, and an alternative  ie Nuclear Weapons existed....what would you do ?

Incidently, to get close enough to Japan had cost enormous loss of life, fighting for the islands in the Pacific.

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Hell, great thread...I am reading the comments right now.
Nice to see the ladies starting political threads, some of us enjoy chatting
about OTHER things besides "relationships" "men" and "why the fuck
he did not call!"
I am not sure if Bush should be tried, but maybe he could just resign?
ha

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Ok so presuming you are correct (and you are not) that the USA was a part of the war before pearl harbour would you care to prove you were dragged into it or are you back peddling on that one?

Edited to add germany and italy declared war on you three days after pearl harbour. The USA appears to have taken on what they thought were the little guys Germany and italy and then very bravely killed an estimated 140,000 people on august the 6th 1945 in a nuke attack on Japan. 

The America First Committee was the foremost pressure group against American entry into the Second World War.

The America First Committee launched a petition aimed at enforcing the 1939 Neutrality Act and forcing President Franklin D. Roosevelt to keep his pledge to keep America out of the war. They strongly distrusted Roosevelt, arguing that he was lying to the American people.

On the day after Franklin D. Roosevelt's lend-lease bill was submitted to Congress, Wood promised AFC opposition "with all the vigor it can exert." America First staunchly opposed the convoying of ships, the Atlantic Charter, and the placing of economic pressure on Japan. In order to achieve the defeat of lend-lease and the perpetuation of American neutrality, the AFC advocated four basic principles:

    * The United States must build an impregnable defense for America.
    * No foreign power, nor group of powers, can successfully attack a prepared America.
    * American democracy can be preserved only by keeping out of the European war.
    * "Aid short of war" weakens national defense at home and threatens to involve America in war abroad.

Despite the onset of war in Europe, an overwhelming majority of the American people wanted to stay out of the new war if they could.

The time between the World Wars saw a resurgence in non-interventionism in the United States. After the war broke out in Europe on September 1, 1939, such Americans as Charles Lindbergh, Gerald P. Nye and Rush D. Holt prominently advocated U.S. neutrality. Groups like the America First Committee tapped into the overwhelming desire of the American people to remain out of this second European war, attracting hundreds of thousands into its ranks.

Lend-Lease was the name of the program under which the United States of America supplied Great Britain, the Soviet Union, China, France and other Allied nations with vast amounts of war material (matériel) between 1941 and 1945. It began in March 1941, nine months before Pearl Harbor.

 The American Volunteer Group, a mercenary fighter unit that trained in Burma and China during the year prior to the American entry into World War II to fight against Japanese forces.

Roosevelt saw Hitler and Nazism as a threat, and ordered the Navy into a secret war against the German Kriegsmarine in 1939.  American warships and sailors were fighting two years before Pearl Harbor, and they were shooting at Germans.  The sinking of the USS Reuben James in 1939 and other warships sunk or damaged could not be ignored.

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Hell, great thread...I am reading the comments right now.
Nice to see the ladies starting political threads, some of us enjoy chatting
about OTHER things besides "relationships" "men" and "why the fuck
he did not call!"
I am not sure if Bush should be tried, but maybe he could just resign?
ha

well my politics arent good but i decided to get in on the men retiring to the drawing room with their whisky and cigars and trying to convince themselves they are masters of the universe.