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missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 3:59:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia Hell, great thread...I am reading the comments right now. Nice to see the ladies starting political threads, some of us enjoy chatting about OTHER things besides "relationships" "men" and "why the fuck he did not call!" I am not sure if Bush should be tried, but maybe he could just resign? ha well my politics arent good but i decided to get in on the men retiring to the drawing room with their whisky and cigars and trying to convince themselves they are masters of the universe. You are welcome Miss T, especially if all you are wearing is that corset you mentioned some time ago. ooooh I'm a sexist Ah my sweet i now own at least six corsets and three very nice burlesque skirts which i of course will wear to serve your whisky and cuban cigars [:D]

FirmhandKY -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:06:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Actually no. How america came into the war was only raised due to one persons claim they were dragged into it. I personally dont care they took no part in it until they had to. Incorrect. You failed to understand that my point was in rebuttal to meatcleaver's simplistic claim that somehow the US was just as responsible as the Soviets to the stationing of military forces in Europe, with the liklihood of any US/Soviet war occuring in the European heart. And my point about the entry of the US "kicking and screaming" was that such a belief would also be simplistic. Post 48: If I remember correctly, the US had to be brought kicking and screaming into the war, that you Europeans had gotten yourself into. That's one way to look at it. Not necessarily one based in a full understanding of politics and world history, but just as valid as your opinion. FirmKY

LadyEllen -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:07:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation How about you answer my question i have now asked three or four times? Would you care to state and prove how you were dragged into world war two? Winston Churchill Japanese alliance with Germany Pearl Harbor E

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:09:24 PM)
As ive already said the only reason the USA became involved was because Japan attacked pearl harbour and the USA declared war. In turn germany and italy declared war on the USA three days later. That is why the USA became involved, they had refused britian help other than with supplies already. It was implied britian dragged them in and they did not america became involved because it became in their interest.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:10:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation How about you answer my question i have now asked three or four times? Would you care to state and prove how you were dragged into world war two? You'll have to clarify what question, exactly, I've failed to answer. I think I've covered the question you specifically asked, that about the American people not wanting to get involved in the war. While you have said other things that are worthy of comment, it takes time to actually compose a reply, if it's more than a single "this is how I feeeeeel" sentence. FirmKY

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:12:24 PM)
You implied we dragged you into the war. When in reality you are now saying what? you dragged yourselves in? You have already admitted it became in your interest to join in the war so how were you dragged in?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:13:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation It was implied britian dragged them in and they did not america became involved because it became in their interest. It was implied britian dragged them in ... Where? became involved because it became in their interest. Of course. It wasn't in US interest to see the UK a slave state of Nazi Germany. Aren't you glad? FirmKY

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:15:56 PM)
Of course. It wasn't in US interest to see the UK a slave state of Nazi Germany. Aren't you glad? Ohhhhhhh i forget the USA won the war for us didnt they? Silly me !!!!!!

losttreasure -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:16:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation How about you answer my question i have now asked three or four times? Would you care to state and prove how you were dragged into world war two? It's just a guess here, but I'd surmise that it wasn't exactly a joyous and enthusiastic decision to join the war considering the fact that it took the bombing of Pearl Harbor, where the Japanese killed 2402 people, injured at least 1238 others, sank or severely damaged 18 ships, and destroyed 161 American planes, for the people of the United States to change their mind about staying out of it.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:19:44 PM)
miss, My comments were originally just an analogy to meatcleaver, about his claim about Europe being the unasked for center of a possible war between the USSR and the US. Where you are "seeing" other things, you'll have to explain, because I don't see what it is you are seeing. What I am seeing is an gratuitous effort to belittle and demean the US effort in WWII, as if doing something "in our own interest" somehow makes us selfish and morally corrupt. FirmKY

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:20:03 PM)
what about the 140,000 people killed when you dropped your bombs? The 330,000 people that continue to suffer for your actions now? The many more who will suffer over the years?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:21:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Of course. It wasn't in US interest to see the UK a slave state of Nazi Germany. Aren't you glad? Ohhhhhhh i forget the USA won the war for us didnt they? Silly me !!!!!! Now that is just silly. Miss, you are just looking for a fight, girl. Go fish elsewhere. FirmKY

LadyEllen -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:24:13 PM)
MissT et al - the US was steadily drawn into the war over the period from 1939 to late 1941, when the attack on Pearl Harbor precipitated an actual declaration of war. In the period running up to Pearl Harbor, Winston Churchill did his level best by way of contacts to Roosevelt, to secure greater and greater assistance from the US - not only in terms of the US suppling food and materials, but as time went on to the point of US warships taking up the duty of protecting the convoys across the Atlantic to the mid way point, where our coverage took over. The declaration of war against the axis powers, was precipitated by the Japanese attack, but the US was already significantly involved in the war against Germany by that point, in all but name, it certainly was not neutral or staying out of it. Roosevelt I believe, agreed with Churchill about the threat from Germany, and did as much as he could get away with, given isolationist sentiments in the US. That the bulk of the US open war effort was subsequently directed to Europe, rather than the Far East, supports this. Any good? E

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:25:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY miss, My comments were originally just an analogy to meatcleaver, about his claim about Europe being the unasked for center of a possible war between the USSR and the US. Where you are "seeing" other things, you'll have to explain, because I don't see what it is you are seeing. What I am seeing is an gratuitous effort to belittle and demean the US effort in WWII, as if doing something "in our own interest" somehow makes us selfish and morally corrupt. FirmKY No i havent belittled the Usa for joining for their own interests at all i have simply stated the reasons why you joined the world war. Whilst on the subject of belittlement by the time you joined the war we had already gone to the aid of greece, we were back in north africa, wed started attacking the italians in somaliland. we had started a counter attack in egypt and we had invaded lebanon and syria. So for the general opinion to be that the USA won the war for us ----- well i think we were doing pretty well on our own. I have found the general opinion of the americans to be that tey won the war for us. www.world-war-2.info/timeline/*

FirmhandKY -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:27:05 PM)
On point and accurate, LadyEllen. FirmKY

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:27:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Of course. It wasn't in US interest to see the UK a slave state of Nazi Germany. Aren't you glad? Ohhhhhhh i forget the USA won the war for us didnt they? Silly me !!!!!! Now that is just silly. Miss, you are just looking for a fight, girl. Go fish elsewhere. FirmKY No but i will defend my opinions and facts i have stated and quoted links too. As far as i am aware we r discussing issues we have both raised. And just in general do not refer to me as girl.

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:29:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen MissT et al - the US was steadily drawn into the war over the period from 1939 to late 1941, when the attack on Pearl Harbor precipitated an actual declaration of war. In the period running up to Pearl Harbor, Winston Churchill did his level best by way of contacts to Roosevelt, to secure greater and greater assistance from the US - not only in terms of the US suppling food and materials, but as time went on to the point of US warships taking up the duty of protecting the convoys across the Atlantic to the mid way point, where our coverage took over. The declaration of war against the axis powers, was precipitated by the Japanese attack, but the US was already significantly involved in the war against Germany by that point, in all but name, it certainly was not neutral or staying out of it. Roosevelt I believe, agreed with Churchill about the threat from Germany, and did as much as he could get away with, given isolationist sentiments in the US. That the bulk of the US open war effort was subsequently directed to Europe, rather than the Far East, supports this. Any good? E I have not once denied America provided services for us - at a cost. I have stated they did not fight until after pearl harbour.

LadyEllen -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:30:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Ohhhhhhh i forget the USA won the war for us didnt they? Silly me !!!!!! No. Russia won the war for all of us. The US was critical in the supply of materials to the UK - some of which was then shipped on to Russia via the Arctic Convoys to Murmansk. The UK was vital to the eventual victory by firstly standing alone, secondly supporting the Russians and thirdly providing a launch point for ALL of the Allied forces on the western front. E

FirmhandKY -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:32:22 PM)
Again, LadyEllen, accurate and on point. FirmKY

Sinergy -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/17/2007 4:32:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave If the US is as Imperialist as many appear to believe why, wonder of wonders, did they not retain control of Japan ? Lets see. We forced Japan to sign a constitution of our choosing. In that constitution we stated that Japan could not develop their military any more than 10% of their gross national product. In exchange, the US agreed to cover Japan under the umbrella of the US' military. Then we retooled their industries, loaned them money, and told them what they could do with themselves on the world stage. **How exactly do you define "giving up control of Japan.* Sinergy p.s. Although an argument could be made that Japan refused to relinquish control of the United States after they lost the war. Apart from the bit in stars I cant figure out whether you agree with me or not. Does not strike me that the US gave up control of Japan after World War 2. We told them they could play our game or we would not accept their peace offer. Sinergy

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