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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 2/1/2007 1:43:21 PM   
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 "what she doesn't do is misbehave in order to control Me in getting Me to give her what she wants. Misbehaviour gets DISCIPLINE (Which starts with communicating about what happened, why it happened and what is going to be done to avoid it happening again) not punishment..... "
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Absolutely! My slave is a recovering SAM - her former Master (indeed most of the people in her life) only gave her attention when she misbehaved. She truly prefers to be good, so it's been relatively easy to break the bad habit. She only gets physical 'punishment' for play ... that only happens when she's earned it by being good. 
 
Oh, and the communicating is a big part of discipline ... making her talk about it is something she dreads.
 
"Couldn't you just beat me instead of making me talk about this?" 
"This isn't a reward, my dear." 



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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 2/1/2007 1:57:19 PM   
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From the Lucky Albatros,

Are the slaves really so ill-behaved and unable to discipline their behavior?

Answer: Are the Masters so incapable and unable to inspire a disciplined behavior in their slaves?

LA out of your 9,157 posts I'm very sure I've only agreed with 8,912 of them. Woops 8,913 counting this one.

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 2/3/2007 5:51:00 PM   
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i dont get why everyone thinks physical punishment is fun. 

BUT - i'm damn glad i'm not owned by the many in this thread.  i think i'd be walking on egg shells for the rest of my life.  Thank God, i've a Master that is understanding and patient and knows - ayep i screw up. 

i think if i had to suffer any of that for any of the screw ups i do............ i'd rather be out the door please! 

yall are scary 


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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 2/5/2007 12:51:46 PM   
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Why wouldn't the look of disappointment on your Master's face be punishment enough?  That hurts right down to the very depth of your being.

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 2/6/2007 5:51:49 AM   
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The simple punishments are the most effective.
I'd say have him/her stand in a bowl of lime jelly whilst holding a whole salmon and singing a medley of Victorian Music Hall songs for a few hours. If they stop singing   at any point, make them stand on one leg. They should be naked throughout of course, and if they've been very bad, their genitals should be painted blue.

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 2/6/2007 1:42:30 PM   
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LA wrote :  "You could make them move out of the house."  Hell, you could make them paint the house! 

In my own experience, I have found some punishments to seem to speak to the submissiveslave within many.  Though for me the only real punishment is one that is extremely effective and serves to change undesired behavior. 

Since everyone is different, while learning about the submissive or slave, I learn about their likes and dislikes.  Of course the punishment will be something that is highly disliked.  

Having said this, I figure that if I have to punish, I haven't properly motivated from the beginning and have not done my part as the dominant within the relationship. 

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 6/24/2007 10:03:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL:  

I figure that if I have to punish, I haven't properly motivated from the beginning and have not done my part as the dominant within the relationship. 



Took reading the entire thread to find such an astute intelligent statement.

Honestly, i don't "get' the whole concept of punishment. I'm not a child, I don't need to go about worrying about breaking someone elses arbitary rules. S/S/C is a two way street. And at what point does the debate about respecting safe words and limits during "punishment" cross the line from consent to abuse, and from abuse to illegal? I think there was once a judge who set a lega precident by declaring that "consent was no defense for assault". But really, officer, she agreed to let me lock her up beat her senseless while starving her. All because she made tuna and noodles for dinner when I wanted chicken and rice. Nope, i just don't get it.

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 6/24/2007 2:32:56 PM   
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There are only two punishments that Master has ever used on me.

First is to look at me and say the words 'I am very disappointed in you.' then turn around and walk away. Sorry but that hurts. I've heard that from him 3 times in the 8 years we've been together.

The second is the hairbrush. Just seeing him pick that up makes me drop to my belly.

Maybe I'm odd, but he doesn't need extreme punishments, I actually want to keep him happy. I don't want to displease him, or have him doubt me. I don't want the gut wrenching storm of snakes in my stomach that comes with the knowledge I have failed him.

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 6/26/2007 2:11:56 AM   
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greeting lucky A

wonderful ideal i think they are wonderful :)

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 6/26/2007 6:43:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Hand write in #2 pencil every post made on one day at CM while kneeling on uncooked rice.

If you are really bad you have to correct all the spelling and grammar errors too. Any mistake, or any error uncorrected, and you do it again the next day.

Please let us know the day - so we'll all post more in support of your master.


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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 6/26/2007 6:49:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: shadevarr

1. cook fried chicken, french fries and other friend goods in the nude2. write down what the infraction was on 352 sheets of paper, place each of them in an envelope folded in half and then lick each one closed, with their dominant hand tied to their collar.3. attach clover clamps to the nipples and chain them to a hook in the ceiling so that they have to stand on their toes for normal pressure, but are capable of bringing their heel down with great pain. Then proceed to flog them with the thinnest, heaviest flogger you got (better yet, one with metal tips/spikes), wrapping intentionally.4. Take her out to an abandoned gravel pit, throw the key to the car out into it and have her go find it on her hands and knees (suggestion, bring overnight sleeping gear or a spare key).5. Place her in a cage that has been newspapered with a bowl of puppy chow and a water bowl. Do not release slave for 72 hours. Those are just some suggestions, I try to tailor the punishment to the crime. 


Wow I like these

I never get punnished anymore so this is hard (I'm such a good girl)

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 6/26/2007 6:57:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CollaredCat

My former Master used the terms discipline and atonement rather than punishment. I much prefered those as they emphasized to me that my actions were mistakes or errors that needed to be corrected not bad deeds that needed to be punished. It's the attitude I take with my slave now.

IMO if you need extreme punishments in an attempt to correct repeated offenses, there is something seriously wrong with the dynamic of the relationship. I prefer that my slave WANTS to please me.

Something else was mentioned about the problem being not paying attention or getting distracted, losing focus. There is a very good book on Adult Attention Deficit Disorder that has some wonderful coping / correction mechanisms which perhaps could address the underlying problem.




Honestly I have to agree completely.  As a slave i want to please the one that i serve.  I'm not saying that i never screw up but i'm saying that it's rarely ever intentional if a mistake is made we typically discuss it and move on but rarely am i ever physically disciplined for anything anymore.  Spankings, whippings, canings are typically used in play these days and not for punnishment or disciplinary purposes. 

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 7/7/2007 8:27:20 AM   
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a 5 mile bare foot force march

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 7/7/2007 12:31:23 PM   
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To the OP...you keep talking about "her"....is this for someone else besides you, or are you using that 3rd peson speak sometimes? 

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 7/7/2007 5:11:39 PM   
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ive read alot of punishments here. and i use to be one that believed in the punishment should fit the crime.  Anymore i just ignore. It is the most effective.  If it comes down to it and it has on occassion, as she is headstrong, i simply tell her  its either going to be this way or im going to find someone else that can serve me.

I dont punish if im training/teaching. i expect you to screw up at least twice. This would be like me showing  LA how to frame a wall and she does it wrong.  I expect her to do it wrong.. mostly because shes never done it. The second time she does it i still expect it to be wrong but less screwed up then the first and so on. but punishing for  screwing up on something new to the sub  is only discouraging to someone that is learning.

Now if its something she knows hows to do and has done before then i just ignore her.
Punishments are overrated and its not uncommon to get a sub that will screw up just to get the attention from a punishment. If physical punishments and rewards is the only thing that makes a sub behave, it shows me she has the IQ of my dog because thats  only what he understands. In which case i would just get another dog ,would i not?

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 7/7/2007 7:00:20 PM   
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Dear justinasamerk, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
You wrote for a book per se, that listed crimes and the punishment.  May I have you consider and or any Owner/Master/Mistress and or Dominant--write one yourself.
 
Actual punishment from my mind's eyes may differ from others.  Slaves/submissives/servants see punishment differently. Ex. Masochist administered high levels of pain, e.g. squat barefoot, unsupported on uncooked rice, birdseed,etc. for certain minutes--will just be their fun and not address the act/behavior that sparked the need for punishment.  A slave could find being punished with a cane would be extreme.  The actual punishment needs to fit the personality as much as it fits the behavior being punished for.  This is where the people involved know each other best--not those looking from the gallery.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 7/7/2007 10:16:06 PM   
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Please go on this is very helpful to Me.

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 7/7/2007 10:19:41 PM   
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What subjects did you have her write essays on? 

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 7/8/2007 6:39:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I have to admit I'm often stunned to hear of people making elaborate punishments and wondering what on earth it has to do with whatever behavior they are attempting to change?  Life is too short, punishment is a dismal enough affair that makes me doubt, revise, re-plan and do a lot of clean up already.  Why make the actual punishment any longer than absolutely necessary?

Also- I have to wonder about being in relationships that require so many different punishments.  Are the slaves really so ill-behaved and unable to discipline their behavior?

But then I think a lot of people have a kink for punishments or enjoy "punishments as play" which would explain the circumstances.

Greetings
 
I have to agree with what LuckyAlbatross stated here. I don't even want to ponder the thought of being punished by Master; the times I have been were so painful that it is not a place that I wish to visit again  
 
I wish you well
 
melissa

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RE: Actual Punishments-Not Defining it... - 7/8/2007 7:09:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: emdoub

The most extreme punishment I've ever used was "Bad sub - no scene, no attention".  In a total of about 12 slave-years of ownership, I only used it twice - the second time, on a permanant basis.

On a more moderate note, I had the Goddamn Root (tm) - a flexible piece of tree root about the diameter of a wooden pencil, about 24 inches long, which made for some nasty, thud/sting caning - and it was never used for anything but punishment.

To be blunt, if you need more than something to get their attention and make it clear that you're displeased, you need more than physical punishment anyway.

If you're looking for more intense painplay scenes, smearing Icy Hot or Tiger Balm on the mucus membranes, table salt and/or lemon juice into freshly singletailed backs or raspberry-caned butts, and cigarette burns (to reddening, never to blisters) are things I've all done - but those were rewards.

Painsluts - go fig.

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Ginger root used as an anal plug works pretty well for that sort of thing too, especially if allowed to ferment for a few days, make your pet skin it too like a potato right before.  If they've done it once before, doing it again will likely make skinning it another part of the punishment.

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