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over 50% killed - 1/19/2007 5:10:57 AM

aviinterra

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Over 55.6% of rats fed GM soy flour died within three weeks, contrasting that with 9% who died fed non-GM soy. Consider: over 80% of all soy grown in the U.S. is GM and it is used in a wide variety of products. The FDA neither tests the safety of GM crops nor mandates that they be labeled.
Most of the GM soy and other crops such as corn is grown using Monsanto brand GM seeds. Monsanto is a chemical company that has turned into an agricultural company, stemming from it's number one product- Round up. It has created GM seeds resistant to Round up applications simply to protect it's dominance on the world herbicide and pesiticide markets. Now, Monsanto is owned by drug companies and has declared that it can not be held liable for the safety of it's biotech foods, i.e. eat at your own risk. Taking all of this in, esp. the rat study findings, are we not overdue for clear labels on GM foods?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00EED8173CF931A3575BC0A9679C8B63&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=1

http://www.drpitcairn.com/nutrition/gm_foods.html

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RE: over 50% killed - 1/19/2007 5:21:44 AM

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I think the EU still won't allow its import despite the pressure from the US.

Just googled to see if the EU are allowing in GM soya beans and found this.....

"It's unclear if GM crops are a danger by themselves, but they release certain substances that stimulate growth of undesired micro-organisms," expert on GM crops Mirjana Nikolic told IPS. "Due to the presence of those micro-organisms, the land can become infertile after one season in some cases."

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=35903

Hmm some GM foods have been approved of in the EU. I'm all in favour of waiting to see if the next generation of Americans have two heads.

I'm completely in favour of labeling, people can them make their own choices.

Hmm apparently the US government doesn't want labeling nor do they want any other country to label GM content. No doubt Mosanto have been lobbying with wads of cash.

< Message edited by meatcleaver -- 1/19/2007 5:23:48 AM >

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RE: over 50% killed - 1/19/2007 6:30:58 AM

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I think GM crops could be of huge benefit to us, BUT

We cannot afford to do trials of them on the general population - of ANY country. And that includes the somewhat suspect way in which they are being touted to third world countries as a means of solving their problems. It may be true that the crops are resistant to this, that and the other. It may be true that yield rises. It may even be true that quality in terms of taste and appearance is improved. But how often are the definite and potential downsides not informed?

Definite downsides such as, GM crops are made so that they do not produce seed for the following year's sowing - so the farmer in the third world must buy more, or such as the farmer must use the right chemicals in their growing - which again he must buy in.

Potential downsides such as that outlined in the OP, and by post 2 from MC.

I wonder how interested the makers of GM seeds will be, when a third world country suffers massive death and/or injury to its people and its land, because of the helpful trials they have been encouraged to conduct?

Of course, this makes for a difficult situation - the only real means of trialling these GM seeds is to shut off a piece of land and a population for at least a whole generation, making it and them exclusively rely on GM seeds - and no company would ever do that, simply on cost basis and of course because no one would want to take part in such a trial, given that the need to trial implies that there may be dangers in all this. But, it is wholly necessary for us to know for sure that these things are safe; remember, any potential genetic problems brought about by eating GM crops will only be revealed in the offspring predominantly, and these effects may well skip a generation or be cumulative in their effect.

Do the board of Monsanto, and their researchers and scientists and all their children eat GM crops? There's a question.

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RE: over 50% killed - 1/19/2007 6:34:33 AM

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WTF? Isn't a rat cakking somewhere in the world a pretty good deal? Perhaps the europeans long for the halcyon days of the bubonic plague?

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RE: over 50% killed - 1/19/2007 7:40:48 AM

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Hey! Dont mess with our heritage Ron!

Bubonic plague is a vital part of European culture.

Sadly though, it seems that unlike our music, art and literature, its largely unappreciated in the US.

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RE: over 50% killed - 1/19/2007 7:47:34 AM

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probably a petulant retaliation for your disquieting views on the subject of GM soybeans and the way you spell colour.

I'm Just sayin'

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RE: over 50% killed - 1/19/2007 10:24:48 AM

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According to nutritional theories like the Paleolithic diet (the basis for low-carb and no-carb diets) grains, beans and potatoes, are not only unnatural, low nutrition food stuffs for humans, they actually contain anti-nutrients, which are produced by these plant groups to discourage the things that would eat them. All such foods, which only entered our diets in quantity within the last few thousand years, must be cooked to reduce their toxicity for humans. Notice: reduce not eliminate.

The rise of many common food allergies (corn, peanuts) may be linked to these protective chemicals. Even in the absence of serious reactions to these chemicals they do have a negative effect which accumulates over time and interferes with our health.

It’s not surprising that GM crops, with artificially elevated levels of these protective and toxic chemicals, are even more deadly. Rats are better adapted to a wider spectrum of foods than humans and should experience less negative effects than people. A 40% increase in mortality in rats could translate into a much higher rate in humans. (That’s an uneducated guess)

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