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loneleader -> employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 7:43:44 AM)

i have been trying to find a female sub/slave that , on top of serving me sexually and personally,I could train to be my personal assistant ,then later my collaborator in the management of my new business ; i thought the best way was to find a slave first then train her in the job, as , in the UK at least ,the other way around, ie recruiting staff and selecting them  according to their degree of sex submisiveness can be passed as sexual discrimination ,or even harassment if you try it after hiring, and is illegal; so far not one positive answer from my profile here .. i am looking for advice, am i doing it the wrong way.. is there something I missed ?



angaothsi -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 7:52:20 AM)

My personal take on the subject, it sounds like you are looking for someone to be at your beck and call during the day and a cum repository at night, all while offering nothing in return. True, salvery in some sense means that the master would be in compleate control at all times ~BUT~
You speak of day time "employment" you speak of nights, you flat out state you will offer no money for moving so lets think.... how would someone support themself? You mention nothing about payment, lodgeing, food, clothing yet it seems like you will pretty much have them "tied up" 24 hours a day so they couldn't even get another job somewhere else.
So yeah, I think you are missing. A lot.



KnightofMists -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 8:20:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: loneleader

.. i am looking for advice, am i doing it the wrong way.. is there something I missed ?


are you missing something?  hell I would say you missing alot from the little on your profile.

heart, passion, inspiration, vision, character, principles,

You might have it.. but that is not what you selling



innatedesire -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 8:41:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: loneleader

.. i am looking for advice, am i doing it the wrong way.. is there something I missed ?


are you missing something?  hell I would say you missing alot from the little on your profile.

heart, passion, inspiration, vision, character, principles,

You might have it.. but that is not what you selling


Ditto

You might get lucky and find someone who is willing to move to you, at thier expense to be your personal assistant/play thing but it will be extremely difficult based on your profile good luck with that.



angaothsi -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 9:51:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
are you missing something?  hell I would say you missing alot from the little on your profile.
heart, passion, inspiration, vision, character, principles,

You might have it.. but that is not what your selling


Thank you KinghtofMists, I think you said it better then I did



bandit25 -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 9:53:26 AM)

Yes, what are you offering in return?



loneleader -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 10:05:56 AM)

i thought the return was obvious as being a speeded promotion and having a share in a developing business..what slave should hesitate if she can help her master, even in his business, to the point of becoming her partner ?doing domestic chores is ok  for some of them, but so many 'personal assistants' in fact manage the business , with or without their boss, being recognized for her value and contribution other than sex should satisfy more than one slave...?as for the other point, i have recently been duped by some gold-digger, and am certainly not going to make the same mistake again,she will have to obey first. and prove her worth, then be rewarded by more and more responsibilites, starting by handling other slaves, then being part of the business.. I thought that was appealing enough...



lateralist1 -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 10:16:49 AM)

I think you are missing telling us about who you are as a person.
I am trying to allow you the benefit of the doubt.
Would you make sure that your slave was made financially independent of you if she wanted to leave you?
Or if you wanted to end the relationship?
Or would you offer marriage so that she was entitled to her share in your business?
The term 'slave' is a term which covers the emotional relationship.
Not the business arrangement.
I would enjoy a slave working with me but no way would I ever leave him without financial support for his future needs if anything happened to break the relationship.
If you would honestly consider doing that then there are just no words that are bad enough to describe you.
Real slavery should be illegal everywhere in the world and enforced rigorously.



GrizzlyBear -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 10:22:46 AM)

Just a hunch, but I think that most who think  to become a 24/7 slave have a romantic notion of what it might entail.  Among other things, they mostly seek to reduce their reponsibilities, not to increase them by managing a business.  I think you will need to find a fairly special individual to be able to interest her in your offer.



Celeste43 -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 10:35:54 AM)

So you are giving her part ownership of the business? Because otherwise she's working around the clock and if you decide to break it off she hasn't got a penny to her name. Are you offering a salary?

You demand she be financially independant and then complain that she won't move, losing her job and her financial independence.

Hire an assistant. Hire a housekeeper. Get therapy to deal with your trust issues and your inability to tell good people from bad. You aren't ready to have a new relationship as you state quite plainly that you propose to distrust everyone, assuming they are exactly the same as your ex. Myself, I don't want to be in bed with a man and have his ex there in his head as a third.



innatedesire -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 10:52:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: loneleader

i thought the return was obvious as being a speeded promotion and having a share in a developing business..what slave should hesitate if she can help her master, even in his business, to the point of becoming her partner ?doing domestic chores is ok  for some of them, but so many 'personal assistants' in fact manage the business , with or without their boss, being recognized for her value and contribution other than sex should satisfy more than one slave...?as for the other point, i have recently been duped by some gold-digger, and am certainly not going to make the same mistake again,she will have to obey first. and prove her worth, then be rewarded by more and more responsibilites, starting by handling other slaves, then being part of the business.. I thought that was appealing enough...


You wont trust her yet you expect her to trust you? Ummmm WRONG, trust is a  2 way street perhaps it is time to look at you.

She has to prove her worth? Do you not also have to prove that you are worthy of her? WIITWD really is a 2 way street you seem to be going down the one way street, perhaps its time for you to pull out the map and find the right street if you want to get to your  final destination.

But then again perhaps you are the Almighty Mega Dom/Master/Owner who feels that submissives/slaves should just drop to their knees and beg to be allowed to serve you simply because you say so.  I think you have a lot to learn about WIITWD IMHO.



Solinear -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 11:06:11 AM)

You're looking for someone to sexually submit to you and eventually be in a management position (dominant) in your job, not to mention that you want them to effectively master to this mystery harem of slaves you're apparently going to be able to create?

Sounds like what you really need is a prostitute and a competent manager.

There is a very, *very* slim chance that you would be able to find someone out there who wants to fill this position, but odds are that what your going to find over and over and over is a 'gold digger' and I can't say that you don't deserve it, to some extent.



losttreasure -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 11:07:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: loneleader

i have been trying to find a female sub/slave that , on top of serving me sexually and personally,I could train to be my personal assistant ,then later my collaborator in the management of my new business ; i thought the best way was to find a slave first then train her in the job, as , in the UK at least ,the other way around, ie recruiting staff and selecting them  according to their degree of sex submisiveness can be passed as sexual discrimination ,or even harassment if you try it after hiring, and is illegal; so far not one positive answer from my profile here .. i am looking for advice, am i doing it the wrong way.. is there something I missed ?


There is certainly nothing wrong with wanting to bring your slave into your business, and there's nothing wrong with bringing that up when you first speak with someone.  But you need to be a bit more realistic and have a better game plan than what you are portraying in your profile.

My dom and I have discussed joint business ventures as a possibility for the future... whether that is my eventually helping him with the business he owns now or perhaps us starting a new one together... but it's not something we've discussed in detail, and won't until the time is right.   It's more important to take care of first things, first... establishing our personal relationship.  After all, it's not a business relationship we are ultimately seeking.

Your profile leaves much to desire in the way of attracting any healthy, capable, and self-respecting woman... in spite of any desire she may have to be under the control of a man.  Quite frankly, it leaves much to be desired as strictly an employment advertisement, as well.

As far as expecting women to contact you... it's highly unlikely that you'll receive many responses anyway, even if you flesh out your profile.  Few women here make initial contact.



loneleader -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 11:25:48 AM)

obviously i must be doing some things wrong,as i dont seem to even get through to other doms, so many things are obvious for me that i did not even mention them ,like wages, accommodation, etc.. provided to the slave, and a possible help if things dont work out, we are not horses, we are all humans, but that seemed so obvious to me that i did not mention it ... on the other hand, i am STUNNED by the negative attitude of most responses so far , except from the perverter female, that seems to understand a bit what business and business partnership is about, but for the other comments, why all the negative criticism about myself, etc... you dont know me, ..communication and expression seems to be my weak side, and I posted this ad to ask for advice as i recognized that something was wrong , ...telling me that my ad or my profile is wrong doesnt help, even though it may make you happy to be negative, but  i am looking for positive remarks, suggestions , as what to do, not being told that I am too bad, etc...  i am what i am , but i asked for advice on how to pass the message better ... and thought that doms here were ready to pass on the advice, not only point fingers..., who says that you are right anyway ?? nobody owns the truth, You have your side of it, i have my view on this side......if it is to tell me that i will not succeed,please do not waste your time nor mine writing it here, I am looking for Positive suggestions only, suggestions on what to do, that i will consider or not, negative opinions do not interest me, they only reflect on the dom that writes it and his/her limited knowledge of myself and understanding of my quest ...



sublizzie -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 11:39:35 AM)

While I probably have the abilities that you would require there is nothing in your ad that would make me want to move to England to be a part of your business. You have stated what you want and it's obvious what you will get from the situation. However, a submissive needs to know what the positives are of becoming involved with you, things that need to be stated up front. What are you offering her? It's not stated in your profile. My positive suggestion is to make your profile positive and enticing to those you are looking for. At this point, it's not.



Celedane -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 11:47:25 AM)

Amidst the negativity were many good tips.  Just because it was obvious to you, does not mean diddly.  Spelling things out what you offer, what you expect will likely draw more interest.  Many subs have been burned and poorly treated.  Spelling out the deal in writing now, will offer them something to consider.  And not just hope that you're a decent fellow.



shigglyboom -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 11:49:58 AM)

Loneleader,

Your profile comes across as cheap and mean, even though you obviously are not.

Your goal is not impossible. Spend time crafting a profile that reflects that you're a caring, thoughtful, responsible, ambitious, and giving guy, not just out to use someone.

shig



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 12:19:09 PM)

Frankly (and my partner and I have discussed this often) being a PA AND slave to someone in a very successful business position would be my dream type of existence.

But your position isn't offering any success, let alone a nice 401(k), dental plan, family vacations or other necessities of life.

If you want a competent PA and slave, you have to be a comptent master and boss- I don't see much reason thus far to believe you are either of those.



hisannabelle -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 12:38:42 PM)

i have to agree pretty much with everything that's been said.

i do some business work for my dominant, and if he were in a field that required a full-time personal assistant, i would like that position. but our relationship has always come first, and most important, before my duties as his designer/editor. as a submissive, the thing about this situation that turns me off is:

- it seems as though you expect to be trusted without having to earn it.
- expecting someone to relocate but not offering help for them to relocate to a situation that is tenuous, to be with someone they have never lived with before, is way more than is appropriate to the situation.
- you speak about wanting a harem of slaves, eventually, but don't offer any information about your capabilities as a dominant, nor how you plan to take care of each person individually.
- you forget that you're not the only person who's ever gotten burned. pretty much everyone, dominant and submissive, has been burned in some way in relationships...therefore you have to expect that people are going to approach you warily just as you're approaching them warily.

what i see here is someone's fantasy of the way they'd like life to be, without putting any work into it.



trinity46 -> RE: employment or slavery first ? (1/21/2007 1:07:28 PM)

To loneleader,

hmmm.  I think you are missing the point here.  You are getting personal feedback to your profile.  The same personal responses that the female submissives out there are feeling.  The reason you are getting these responses is because of the content (or lack therof) in your profile.

I'm amazed that you can not see all of the positive feedback you are getting.  Instead of "shooting the messenger", you should be saying "WOW! Is that the impression I am putting out there?"  And then listen to the people who are really trying to help you, and rewrite your profile such that it looks appealing to someone besides your self.

Or did you not really WANT honest feedback when you asked for it? 

You said yourself, "they don't know you".  Neithter do all the submissives out there reading your post.  The only thing any of us have to go on is what you say in your profile.  And you are right again.  Nobody owns the truth.  And if you don't like the truth of the majority, then you shouldn't ask for it.  I have read every response so far.  Not one says your ad is just fine the way it is, and they all have basically the same criticism, and I must add myself to that majority.

All I can say about your profile is "How is that working for you so far?"  It would be beneficial to you to stop being defensive and consider the help that has been offered, regardless of how you are percieving it.  It is reasonable advice.

Ms.Trinity



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