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LotusSong -> RE: Can a mistress dominate a man or a lady for that matter without his or her approval? (1/25/2007 8:49:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs


I also can see when a woman who is Dominant, concedes it may appear as submission but, in all relationships; even between enemies there is a dance of tactics.  The end result of winning and or maintaining a dominant stance is the goal.
 


Absolutely :)




Tslaveboy -> RE: Can a mistress dominate a man or a lady for that matter without his or her approval? (1/26/2007 9:43:59 PM)

I think women dominate men against their will every day. The same charms that can get a traffic cop to tear up a traffic ticket for a beautiful woman can be used in other ways. Because honestly, the traffic cop has no chance in hell of connecting with a woman over a minor traffic ticket. So what is his motivation? The woman's power of pursuasion?




LeatherBentOne -> RE: Can a mistress dominate a man or a lady for that matter without his or her approval? (1/27/2007 10:35:02 AM)

Thanx for your post; I stand corrected.  Just shows why communication is so important, even though this medium leaves much to be desired.

LBO




LeatherBentOne -> RE: Can a mistress dominate a man or a lady for that matter without his or her approval? (1/27/2007 10:37:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seekstofasn8adom

I don't think it is possible without a subs permission,so in that case are the subs really the Dommes?




SCDommie -> RE: Can a mistress dominate a man or a lady for that matter without his or her approval? (1/27/2007 10:40:02 AM)

That post is kind of vaugue.   How can we dominate someone against their will?
That would go against everything I have ever learned; however, some of us like to share our sub/slaves with friends and that type thing.  If that is the case, then it would be ok.
If it were really against the sub/slave's approval, then they should get the heck out of dodge.  LOL

SCDommie




LeatherBentOne -> RE: Can a mistress dominate a man or a lady for that matter without his or her approval? (1/27/2007 10:44:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Floggings4You

I think the key word in the question is 'approval'.  Approval doesn't mean consent before (or during) the scene, it means positive feedback afterwards.

I absolutely think that a Dom or Domme can dominate a sub (male or female) in such a way that the sub gets off on the submission, even if the sub may not necessarily 'approve' of ,or enjoy, the particular acts invovled.

For me, this is the difference between a sub and a bottom.  A person who gets off on particular acts, is a bottom.  Bottoms will ask that specific things be done to them, and will also refuse to do certain things. 

A person who gets off on doing another's will--with little concern for a particular act--is a sub.  Subs may have very few hard limits, and will often engage in acts they don't enjoy, because this (and perhaps only this) demonstrates the depth of their submission.

Keith.




Hmmmmm, are you speaking about the OP quote regarding "permission" or did I miss something from another post about "approval"? (which I also consider positive feedback.)    

Now, Im really confused but I blame it on aging................lol 




DeepWaters -> RE: Can a mistress dominate a man or a lady for that matter without his or her approval? (1/27/2007 10:51:32 AM)

A female switch tried to do some Dom'ing of me at a nightclub once...it doesn't work real well--she tried to over power me physically after ordering me around didnt work --but getting physical doesnt work that well either, unless you happen to be bigger and stronger than the other person---so can a mistress dominate a person without consent?...my answer is Nope




MsKatHouston -> RE: Can a mistress dominate a man or a lady for that matter without his or her approval? (1/27/2007 11:16:48 AM)

Sure it is possible to dominate without consent.  There are many ways from psychological to physical.  However, why would someone want to?  To me that breaks down all the reasons I do what I do.  Now, I do make a distinction between play struggles but even those scenarios are consensual. 

For me, I am a dominant personality.  However, in a relationship, even if it is just with a casual play partner, there is consent involved and negotiation.  If there is a good fit, it works.  I would not expend the energy on someone who has no desire to submit to ME.  I also have no desire to put myself in a possible hairy legal situation by forcing someone who has not given consent.




vanish13 -> RE: Can a mistress dominate a man or a lady for that matter without his or her approval? (1/27/2007 11:37:22 AM)

 
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ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston

Sure it is possible to dominate without consent.  There are many ways from psychological to physical.  However, why would someone want to?  To me that breaks down all the reasons I do what I do.  Now, I do make a distinction between play struggles but even those scenarios are consensual. 

For me, I am a dominant personality.  However, in a relationship, even if it is just with a casual play partner, there is consent involved and negotiation.  If there is a good fit, it works.  I would not expend the energy on someone who has no desire to submit to ME.  I also have no desire to put myself in a possible hairy legal situation by forcing someone who has not given consent.


heh legalities always come up in such situations even when "given consent" it can still be a hairy issue unless there is some sort of "paperwork" involved... and even that sucks and can be worked around...

which is why I don't even touch the more "bondage" aspect in the work I do...

I've seen both sides of the argument you have but there are just some truly evil types out there so they'll do whatever they'd want to feel the power... either by consensual playful manner (which im guessing how you mean, and I'd agree with) or force (which is worthless and also illegal)...

but I think its because I've seen all sides of this that I kinda backed up from the whole scene and very upfront as to what I look for and not hesitant to say no...

even if you are a dominant personality (as I am too) even if there is some hesitance or miscommunication, it can be seen as "involuntary dominance" and can become an issue...

its just a hard line sometimes and seems that there are too many people that don't understand (or know) "the rules" as it were... and that's when people get hurt...




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