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domahpet -> fisting instructions (1/22/2007 8:30:54 AM)

where can i find 'instructions' for Someone who has never done it?
Anyone have any tips for me to pass along?




Rover -> RE: fisting instructions (1/22/2007 8:33:08 AM)

I often recommend Deborah Addington's book, "A Hand In The Bush".  And if you should have the chance, she does a marvelous workshop.
 
John




mnottertail -> RE: fisting instructions (1/22/2007 8:33:51 AM)

I second that.

Ron




onestandingstill -> RE: fisting instructions (1/22/2007 11:47:32 AM)

Search the term fisting here in the forum main page right above the little flags in the top right.
You have an absolute wealth of information in here at your finger tips from past forums.
Other than that lube, lube, and more lube patience in abundance, getting her hot as hell and really turned on helps her be looser and more readily able to relax enough, wear latex gloves after washing your hand very well to not give her any bacteria from under your nails, and again lube, lube and more lube over and over even after you get in as if she gets dry it can cause her discomfort and irritate her.
suzanne




mp072004 -> RE: fisting instructions (1/22/2007 4:57:13 PM)

A Hand in the Bush is good. Googling around will get you to some basic fisting pages too. You might search "handballing" as well as "fisting." If you can find Susie Bright's essay on fisting, I seem to think I liked it.

I prefer to use gloves when fisting. I don't keep my nails long enough to get in the way, but if your fister's nails extend beyond the tips of his or her fingers, he or she may want to place a cotton ball or a bit of gauze in the tip of each finger of the glove. Get gloves that fit, or keep yanking on them so they don't get caught on the vaginal opening. Ditto labia. Unless the fistee likes getting her labia sort of shoved into her vagina, the fister would do well to take care to keep them out of the way.

If it's not clear yet, USE ARTIFICIAL LUBRICANT. Copiously, especially at first. I like Maximus, but tastes vary--Sex Grease and Liquid Silk are also favored. I like to buy bottles equipped with pumps or to transfer the lubricant to a pump bottle.

Fisters and fistees should be prepared for the idea that fisters' hands may feel as though they are "stuck," and that vaginas may pull in more of the hand and wrist than the fister was actually trying to insert. This is not cause for great alarm. I find the latter exciting, but it can be a bit disconcerting if you're not expecting it.

The more the fister can collapse his or her hand, the easier it will be to stretch a less-elastic fistee. When I write "collapse," I mean that the bit of the hand below the thumb can be made to touch the bit of the hand below the littlest finger, so that the palm sort of folds in half.

Fistees should talk to fisters, and fisters should ask questions. It's good to find out whether the fistee likes clitoral, nipple, or other stimulation. Positions are important, too, and bondage is something to consider. I prefer to have the fistee on her back, but I can do it from behind with the fistee on hands and knees, too. The motions to use once inside are important to consider--feedback is a good and happy thing. Some people like rotation, some people like thrusting--it's a matter of taste, and fisters would do well to experiment with the range of motion of their hands.

For fistees, Kegels, and weighted Kegels, increase vaginal strength and flexibility. This facilitates fisting and, I am told, increases enjoyment of it.

Have fun!

Monica




RedSavageSlave -> RE: fisting instructions (1/22/2007 6:01:23 PM)

I know that is it is recommended that when doing a scene that esp uses alot of lube, you pee after your done (helps reduce the risk of UTI's)..but I am curious..due to the "trauma" to the vaginal area..has anyone heard whether douching is a good idea afterwards or not?

This is not an issue with me..but I just had the thought when I was reading the thread and wondered if the information would benefit anyone else: esp diabetics who are more prone to yeast infections due to lubricants.




emdoub -> RE: fisting instructions (1/22/2007 10:06:28 PM)

Um, nope - I'd not recommend any douching after a fisting scene - it just washes away the natural protection.  There really shouldn't be any tearing - but if there is, let it heal itself by being gentle with it - not by washing off it's natural environment.

For fisting - mp072004 had some really good advice - heed it.

From my experience - go slower.  Use more lube. Be a bit more patient, with a tad more lube.  Oh, yeah - more lube, and don't rush so much.    Taking 30 minutes or more isn't unusual to get full insertion - taking less than 30 minutes is probably rushing it.

Find a partner that can talk to you, and listen to you - and visa versa.  Too much communication just can't happen.

I've more experience with anal than with vaginal - it goes deeper, so bottom-out isn't as much an issue, but there's this bend in the walls that you've gotta be gentle with.

Oh, yeah - don't hang up on 'deep' at the 3rd knuckles - the ones at the palm.  I've been there when that mistake was made, and while it wasn't bad, it wasn't good, either - once you've got the knuckles, keep on goin'.




domahpet -> RE: fisting instructions (1/23/2007 7:15:47 AM)

weighted kegals??? please, more advice!!!




NightWindWhisper -> RE: fisting instructions (1/23/2007 2:39:32 PM)

Use keywords vaginal, weights, kegel, incontinece and you'll receive hit.  Try medgo dot com to see a pic.

I have noticed no vaginal "loosening or stretching" due to fisting.  Rather amazingly having intercourse even after the fisting, I find that the vagina immediately returns to it's original tightness, and often feels tighter, which I believe is due to venous engorgement of tissues and is totally benign. 

If one wants very tight pubogoccygeous muscles one could, I imagine modify a set of weighted cones and give instructions."Hold this weight inside for increasing amounts of time" and starting with lo weights.  Then over time, increase the weight and/or time of holding the cone inside.  To be truly wicked, emplace an appropriate anal electrode with an appropriate estim apparatus (see smartstim dot com) and electrify the weighted cone such that if it falls out before the timer is up, bzzzzzzzz.....on the way out.    Now you may feel that this is cruel, but there is a short mpeg on the aforementioned website that may truly make you change your mind.  (most of the site is male estim, but there are female estim films). Of of course (holding a crop): "poorb baby....I know you tried so hard, but you need encouragment--so bend over and I'll give it to you, you'll do better next time.  Consider though that these muscles are often thinner than a pencil, but they can, with patience and time get considerably larger.  It will be a many month process, and some women benefit from kegel exercises for life.  Once learned it is easy to do and can be done sitting anywhere (unless doing the kegels gets her turned on, which is often the case).

One problem though with doing kegels is that over 70% of women, who try to do kegels without a true specialized RN coach fail to utilize the appropriate muscles.  Therefore ordinary kegels often fail to acheive the goal, which (most often) medically is used to control urge incontinence which over 70% of females that have had children have (to some extent, even if it's only a bit of leakage while jumping up and down, such as on a trampoline).  It's hard to find an RN who specializes in incontince/kegel training, I know of only one in my state, however her statistics are quite impressive.

As far as fisting: I too recommend "Hand in the Bush."  Fisting should never, ever "hurt."  We're not talking "tight-full," but hurt.  I believe that the fister is there to protect the fistee from fisting themselves too fast, the fistee can get carried away.  Often very high levels of trust and relaxation are necessary.  I had a partner who "opened like a flower," and then years later seemed to have difficulty.  The relationship ended shortly after that and looking back,  it had been ending for a month or two, though I did not see it.  I believe that the ease is often related to the closeness and depth of the bond between the two.  Though this is not necessarily true if the person is a "bottom," rather than a submissive.




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: fisting instructions (1/23/2007 3:09:06 PM)

please excuse the humourous interlude, but i had to place this here:

(Two-Face instructing The Riddler in Batman Forever)

"It's quite simple, my boy. First, you ball up the fist, reach way back...then exert yourself"




goodpet -> RE: fisting instructions (1/23/2007 3:53:17 PM)

my Owner broke His hand the other day, during SCA sword fighting practice. (No, not from me...)

We were at the Crucible Club the other night, Him with this big red cast on.. Everyone kept walking by me and giggling, smiling.. and then some even started to sneeze when i walked by.. so, suspicious,  i moved closer to listen in on His conversations...

He was telling them He broke it when He was fisting me  and i sneezed with His hand inside..


i'm never going to live this one down or convince them otherwise now..




dawntreader -> RE: fisting instructions (1/27/2007 8:18:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: goodpet

my Owner broke His hand the other day, during SCA sword fighting practice. (No, not from me...)

We were at the Crucible Club the other night, Him with this big red cast on.. Everyone kept walking by me and giggling, smiling.. and then some even started to sneeze when i walked by.. so, suspicious,  i moved closer to listen in on His conversations...

He was telling them He broke it when He was fisting me  and i sneezed with His hand inside..


i'm never going to live this one down or convince them otherwise now..


oh my! That is funny!




goodpet -> RE: fisting instructions (2/3/2007 4:55:01 AM)

OK.. the cast came off Thursday.....

so now... 
i have to figure out how to have a good hard sneeze the next time He is fisting me.. 




QuietlySeeking -> RE: fisting instructions (2/3/2007 5:14:30 AM)

Step 1: Put a restaurant to-go pepper container underneath your pillow.
Step 2: Open it and inhale at the appropriate time.
Step 3: Laugh when he tries to explain to his "normal" friends how his girl broke his hand while having sex.

Good luck.




tade -> RE: fisting instructions (2/3/2007 6:36:47 AM)

In addition to what has been said GO SLOW! Remember it is a journey not a destination. If it takes you 2 times, 10 times 100 times to get there have fun and enjoy and don't get caught up in the "I have to take it all/ get her to take it all" thing. Well that and use a THICK towel... ;)




Miseri -> RE: fisting instructions (2/7/2007 2:15:46 PM)

What everyone has said here is beneficial, but a lot of it is coming from the fister side.

What worked for me (as a fistee) was:
getting really turned on (long session and strap-on play before hand-no pun intended)
LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of lube. Yes. LOTS.
trimming her nails
laying on my back so I could be at my most relaxed and also so she could watch my face and talk to me
COMMUNICATION
patience (taking lots of breaks/resting to allow muscles to relax and adjust)
and also what really worked to get past the knuckles and all the way was for her to allow me to control the pace of insertion by communicating, resting and 'pushing myself down'. I could tell when it hurt and when to slow down and that helped a lot.
It was really amazing and I have endorphin highs for over 24 hours.

Good luck! ;)




Vendaval -> RE: fisting instructions (2/7/2007 2:28:18 PM)

What is the difference in feeling between vaginal and anal fisting? 
I would appreciate hearing from both the fister and fistees point of view.







JohnWarren -> RE: fisting instructions (2/7/2007 2:31:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

What is the difference in feeling between vaginal and anal fisting? 
I would appreciate hearing from both the fister and fistees point of view.


There are two excellent books out.  For vaginal fisting, try "A Hand In The Bush" and for anal fisting "Trust: The Handbook: A Guide To The. Sensual and Spiritual Art Of Handballing"




nyrisa -> RE: fisting instructions (2/7/2007 2:48:29 PM)

Don't laugh...... I know there is resistance until the widest part of the hand passes into the vagina, but what about on the way out? Is there likely to be a problem with the opening clenching up? Is there a risk of harm when the hand is pulled out?




Miseri -> RE: fisting instructions (2/7/2007 3:19:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: nyrisa

Don't laugh...... I know there is resistance until the widest part of the hand passes into the vagina, but what about on the way out? Is there likely to be a problem with the opening clenching up? Is there a risk of harm when the hand is pulled out?


I used my muscles to help push the hand out.





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