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have you ever had a slave - 1/22/2007 10:45:34 PM   
MasterHXB


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Status: offline 		that made more money than you or had more assets$$ than you? If so how did you handle it?
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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 2:46:09 AM   
swtnsparkling


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How would a slave handle it if her Master had more money or assets?
Is it written some place "to be a real slave one must not make more money or own more than the Master"
I really don't understand what, if any difference it would make

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 6:27:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why would a slave making more money make a difference in the M/s dynamics and relationship?

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 6:38:16 AM   
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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 7:05:35 AM   
SimplyMichael


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Status: offline 		Money is power and while I have never been in that boat with a lifestyle partner I have been there with a vanilla one so I can see the complications.   Women sure don't have an issue  with it, go see what Domme's get without the least guilt!

However, back to being a man with integrity, I would do my best to ignore it at first.   Pay however you would for whatever you would.  However, if you get serious about things I would sit down and have a long heart to heart about money and assets.  Write up a contract about who gets what, who pays for what, and how those things will be divided.  You need to deal with the legitimate control of that money and the power it has.  I am NOT saying take over the finances but simply deal with things in a way that you remain in control of the relationship and the money is in a sense outside of it.  I bought a house with a woman who had better credit than I and foolishly let her put it in her name only.  I was younger then...

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 7:13:07 AM   
BOUNTYHUNTER


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Status: offline 		YES even now we have one that is a lawyer and from a well heeled family.SHE is a good earner.I handle it quite well I suppose..She handles her own finances and makes a whopping contribution to my health and welfare fund smiles..I also have one that manges a high end clothing store and part owner she does ok for her self and I as well...I see nothing wrong with this situation most would love to be in my position....WILLIAM

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 7:22:18 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Where does money come into it?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_85402/mpage_1/key_money/tm.htm#85402
Money Matters

http://www.collarchat.com/m_86294/mpage_1/key_money/tm.htm#86294
The control of money

http://www.collarchat.com/m_140655/mpage_1/key_money/tm.htm#140655
Money and sexism in bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_276420/mpage_1/key_money/tm.htm#276420
financial decisions

http://www.collarchat.com/m_472811/mpage_1/key_money/tm.htm#472811
In the beginning, money issues

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 8:09:40 AM   
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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 8:27:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		No I haven't personally. However I would think that it would make no difference to me as I allow my sub to handle his own finances and I know many slaves do as well. I own my own company so, I know I make more money then he does but it really doesn't come into play in our relationship. But if he did make more money, I wouldn't care it doesn't change the fact that I am Dominant and that I make the decisions.

I know that many regard money as power but in an interpersonal relationship if your together for purposes beyond the almighty dollar, I dont really see where it would matter. If a slave regards you as his/her Master then income really shouldnt figure in there. If money is all they are looking for then, do you really want them as a slave and vice versa?

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 9:23:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahh 58, I see brokens pro-escorting is paying well then?

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 10:46:59 AM   
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Ahh 58, I see brokens pro-escorting is paying well then?

Did you mean this for me? If so I have no idea what your talking about

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 12:05:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		She meant it for the op. At another site the op changes nicknames frequently and has become something of a joke.

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 2:06:45 PM   
NightWindWhisper


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Status: offline 		In an ordinary marriage a woman making more money than her husband is very often a source of major discord.

In these litigous times I believe that while property might be joint or co-owned, even there, it is wise to learn the laws of the state and consult an attorney specialized in those matters.  It is better to have two piles of money or assets, then if, for instance one gets hit with a judgement far in excess of say what auto insurance covers, in the case of an accident, only one set of cookies might be lost.  Though this may not always be the case as state laws rule, usually.

There are times when a slave prefers that the dominant "run the money end of things," especially if the slave is a "heart before head" sort of person.  If a master ends up "screwing the slave" economically I believe that in many states, if litigation ensues, in the courts things often be dealt with fairly, especially in states where "common law" marriages are allowed.   If my slave was a financial investing whiz, she'd be the one that handles the assets/income.

Any master that end up with the assets and income of a slave, has a responsibility to honor that fairly.  To do so, I'd think, smacks of potential fraud.

Since I would expect my slave to be "as best as she can be," it wouldn't bother me in the least if she made more money or had more assets than I do.  If she was my slave I'd know that she'd share her assets with me, as I would mine with her.

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 3:34:40 PM   
slaveofdarkhold


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Status: offline 		At the moment I support my Master totally.He's just moved over to the UK from America, and because of visa complications hasn't been able to work for six months. It's not a big deal- this is the way it has to be to get by, as simple as that.
I suppose I could say I'm serving by going out to work providing for him.  
When he does start work next month, I'll probably still be earning more. I'm better qualified and (largely through luck) got a good opportunity. It still wont be a big deal. We both eat, wear clothes, use electricity and water and need somewhere to sleep, so whatever system gets us enough money to afford those things is the right one. I think it would show some severe insecurities if he had a problem with that. As it is, he thinks I do him proud by getting a decent career for myself. There's no competition between us. We're a team, as it should be in any relationship, power exchange or no.

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 3:59:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		i would have a problem being a slave to someone who was unemployed and unmotivated. my previous dominant was both; it was probably one of the biggest things that led to the demise of our relationship. however, i wouldn't see any problem with simply making more money than my dominant, or being employed while he's temporarily unemployed and/or sick; while this is a pretty unlikely scenario (as i plan to be a grad student for awhile, and then teach, and so will be making beans eventually), even if i did make more...in my mind, my finances are his if he wants them to be. right now, he chooses not to have control over my finances, but i could accept that changing. i know that he manages money extremely well; it's one of the qualities about him that makes me feel most secure in his locus of control. i won't ever have to worry about him blowing my savings on something ridiculous, if he ever did choose to take over my finances, and i know he would never be happy without a job, so i don't have to worry about him being unemployed and unmotivated to find a job. because of this, i feel pretty comfortable saying this would never be an issue for us - even if i DID make more money than he did, i feel that he should have the power to dictate control over my finances, because he owns me and therefore he owns everything that's "mine," ultimately. and because of his personal qualities, i don't have any qualms about that.

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 4:11:09 PM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear MasterHXB, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I would sit down and discuss the pro and cons of money, come to an agreement that you both can be excited about.  I would also recommend consultation with an accountant and or money manager who is kink friendly.  These professionals may have in mind, an escrow, trust and or many combinations of which to select from, that best addresses your needs.
 
Investments may be considered, such as US Treasury Direct or IRA plans, Money Market Savings Account.
 
In house matters; I have three checking accounts.  One for the slave, one for me and one household where everybody has access.  Bills and expenses come from the household account.  I also want the slave to have their own checking/savings account.  In this way, they can buy gifts and do things independently.  Should the slave be the type wishing no access to funds, I will read off the status of the account.
Negotiated will be the allowance and or spending money they need on a weekly basis and or special expenses, e.g. haircuts, doctors, gifts for friends/family.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/23/2007 5:43:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
However, if you get serious about things I would sit down and have a long heart to heart about money and assets.  Write up a contract about who gets what, who pays for what, and how those things will be divided.  You need to deal with the legitimate control of that money and the power it has. 


That is sensible but a contract seems a little heavy-handed.  From what I've seen of the lifespans of D/s relationships, I would be reluctant to bring interest in real property into the scenario.  I also like LadyHugs' idea of putting income or assets into investments.  The interest could be added to the household income if desired (which equates with how property is split in a dissolution).  It would not be difficult to do it in a way that keeps the power dynamic intact, keeps the parties' contributing to the household on a fair basis and doesn't involve long, drawn-out legal entanglements, or one party being left destitute, if (or when) the relationship ends.

MaryT

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/24/2007 10:33:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		As His slave/submissive everything I have He owns, so if I were to make more money than He, it would still be His money.
Cordially,
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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/24/2007 2:03:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterHXB

that made more money than you or had more assets$$ than you? If so how did you handle it?


No, do you know of one? Tall blonde and with big breasts would be nice too.

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RE: have you ever had a slave - 1/24/2007 2:51:46 PM   
snmgrandmaster


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Status: offline 		The owner always has absolute say, in all matters once there is a pairing (Excluding some issues of physical safety and criminal acts) these things should be negotiated and agreed upon, before entering into the such a serious relationship.  Most entering  into a 24/7 Owner-Master / slave exchange should have such issues clearly defined, answering any possible problems or  questions as to who controls what. It should also include directions for the final disposition of properties if the slave should fail to complete the contract herself, be given away, traded or sold or for what ever reason leaves or changes  Owner-Master.
Once all that is done,  and "The Dance" begins, Owner-Master  has absolute final say on any and all things.

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