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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:12:51 PM   
MaryT


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I suppose the big question on everyone's mind now will be "Who will LA decide needs to be 'worked on' next?" 

I dunno, it's not something I do lightly. 


I gathered.  Wanna join the fan club? 

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:13:14 PM   
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Didnt you recently give me crap about my post going on and on about pointless crap (or something?)  Who deemed you the All knowing - non wheatie eating - thread slapper? 

No, I said that you have posted emotional crises on this board well over two dozen times- two threads in fact caused about 3 pages worth of people to rail at you to leave your abusive dom.

I simply pointed out that in each and every instance of those emotional crises, within a week or so, everything always calmed down and you assured everyone that things were fine and good. 

And then I said that this time would likely be no different.

It would seem I was correct.

I think people are suggesting that I was deciding what wasn't a worthy post.  The fact that most people in here make that decision for themselves every time they read a new thread notwithstanding, what I was more after was finally bringing to the open Michaels aggressively negative attitude which he has brought with him to the forums upon his return.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:13:54 PM   
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Frankly my dear, I DO give a damn and I am seriously honored that you give a shit.  As soon as I find someone to beat, manipulate, terrorize and torment, I am sure my mood will improve.  Till then, think black not red, battery cable!

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:17:21 PM   
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Frankly my dear, I DO give a damn and I am seriously honored that you give a shit. 

That's the main reason I decided to make an attempt at all.
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 As soon as I find someone to beat, manipulate, terrorize and torment, I am sure my mood will improve.  Till then, think black not red, battery cable!

I'm afraid you can't expect to be excused of this severe lapse in character simply because you're not getting your kink on. 

I know in cyber time that any of us could disappear and in two weeks reappear and pretty much have everyone willing to act like we were a completely new person and forgive all past memories- but I'm not that kinda girl.

But, again, I'm not posting this to continue the points I've already made, and I know that this, too, shall pass.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:21:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: Devilslilsister
Didnt you recently give me crap about my post going on and on about pointless crap (or something?) Who deemed you the All knowing - non wheatie eating - thread slapper?

No, I said that you have posted emotional crises on this board well over two dozen times- two threads in fact caused about 3 pages worth of people to rail at you to leave your abusive dom.




LA- I think Devilslilsister was actually directing that at Noah, not you. Could be wrong though, I won't speak for her.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:22:45 PM   
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LA- I think Devilslilsister was actually directing that at Noah, not you. Could be wrong though, I won't speak for her.

Ah maybe.  That was just the last response I remember giving Riot on her latest crisis.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:26:45 PM   
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and now, the thread goes from the Jacobian Duchess of Malfi to a bad out take from Black Adder, LOL

cutting room floor time, guys.

time to see why editors are the only indispensible people in film production.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:28:08 PM   
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maybe it's His name..I don't have the background as I haven't been here long..but I just like Him..lol

btw..I'm a self professed slut who enjoys good old guard values...

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:30:18 PM   
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I gathered.  Wanna join the fan club? 

MaryT

LOL aren't you going on a fabulous trip soon?

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:30:40 PM   
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LA,

I think you are the most level headed grounded person I know, I am pretty much in awe of that.  I realize I fall far short of that mark.   That said, if you ever write a book on relationships, I want one!

As for this place, the minute I find "mine" I will likely disapear or at least only pop on to cause some shit, slay a few sacred cows and leave.  I say that despite finding this the most amazing, supportive, diverse, and fascinating BDSM community I know of.  However, I prefer sitting around and talking to people, I am old, this newfangled computer stuff just doesn't seem as real to me.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:31:43 PM   
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we must all now pause to drool over michaels4evr's   pic, yet not actually flirt. LMAO

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:35:27 PM   
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we must all now pause to drool over michaels4evr's   pic, yet not actually flirt. LMAO


awww..that's sweet...lol..but i did say that i'm a slut..soo flirting is OK!

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:37:33 PM   
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LOL aren't you going on a fabulous trip soon?


Ummm, if you mean Costa Rica, I'm there and back.  It was a blast.

If you mean my domle one, I posted about it.

If you mean something else ... do you know something that I don't?

MaryT

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:39:55 PM   
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Ah but I never flirt with people out of my area any more.  So I thank you for that, but sadly, as Clint Eastwood said in a movie, "A Man's gotta know his limitations."

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/23/2007 8:40:06 PM   
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awww..that's sweet...lol..but i did say that i'm a slut..soo flirting is OK!


Flirting is slutty?  I'm so out of touch.

MaryT

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/24/2007 5:04:52 AM   
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Michael, you ignorant slut.

John Warren used to sort of imply there is no "old guard," and that such a thing is just a figment of everyone's imagination.

In my own relationship, we operate completely on our own and do not actively interact with anyone ---- so there's no backdrop to make us feel uncomfortable or inauthentically BDSM. No matter how others might judge us, assuming we were more public or part of some kind of scene, I think each of us would care more about being happy with each other. To be the other way around, as you imply, would be a mistake.





There isn't any old guard left any longer,all have given up the ghost.WHEN WE all refer to the modern ol guard I believe we are refering to the "OL" style english disciplin..."OLD GUARD" came about as  the gay leather rebellion.leather men of sf, THEY"THE OLD GUARD"  were the very first to bring bdsm out of the closet and gave the vannila world the first look , they had set list of codes IE wearing of different color handcheifs to denote bottoms from tops..a strict set of gay leather men with a few straight biker types threw into the mix.SO before we bash the old old guard make sure you know of which you speak...WILLIAM






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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/24/2007 5:14:15 AM   
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Michael, you ignorant slut.

John Warren used to sort of imply there is no "old guard," and that such a thing is just a figment of everyone's imagination.



The "Old Guard" existed.  It was a diffuse network of gay clubs that grew up after WWII often disguised as motorcycle clubs.  They were destroyed in the early days of the AIDS epidemic.

Now, they never referred to themselves as Old Guard or as any other collective title as far as I've been able to determine. 

What has happened is that people have projected a Camelot-like atmosphere over their memory but in reality the groups varied widely and shared only basic things like limiting membership to gay men and practicing rough sex. 

For people who want to learn about the Old Guard as it really existed, I recommend the writings of Guy Baldwin and Jack Rinella online and Leatherfolk in print.

One thing that can be pretty certain is that any straight guy who claims he was a member of the Old Guard is blowing smoke.

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/24/2007 6:01:49 AM   
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Sir John...i wonder if you remember lil ole me...You gave me the honor of scaring the bejesus outta me like  5 years ago...with your knife at my throat at HPEPs S & M Ball...greetings to You and Libby

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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/24/2007 6:21:49 AM   
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In high school the guys who weren't getting laid called the girls who slept with others sluts and I think that is what many (certainly not all) who attempt to wrap themselves in the musty old guard cloak are doing.  The rest of us who have partners aren't "real" we are just after kinky sex or watered down S&M, in other words, just sluts.

The more things change, the more they stay the same I guess.  For me, S&M has always been about creating a unique synergy between me and my partner.  That synergy is dynamic and changes over time and is lost when one or both of us moves on.  I will only accept a strong, dynamic, and independent woman as my submissive and I will not shove her, nor myself, into some mold created by another, so kindly take your "old guard" and slip it where the sun doesn't shine.  Instead I will create something new and magic with her alongside me on our own unique path and journey.


Y'know, what I find sad is that in the attempt prove we're NOT  lumping everyone into one category, like those "old guard protocol-heavy" people do (whatever that means), there we are, lumping people into the category of not being concerned about protocol - and if someone DOES enjoy protocol and structure their lives around it, then of course, they're old and crusty and all those other sweet little adjectives people like to use to proclaim they're more accepting than those "old guard" folks - who of course, don't do things like THEY do.

The more people complain about things and set themselves up in comparison with others to proclaim which is better, the more people do exactly what they're complaining about.

My Master's been doing this for about 30+ years now. I won't call it "old guard" but he's been around for a while and like most people, regardless of when they entered this life, he generally upholds the views popular during the time he was first learning about this.

He's hard and he holds me to a standard that very few people we know are held to. This is something that for some reason, strikes a chord in me and thrills me to no end. We typically enjoy a higher protocol than a lot of our friends do even when we're engaged in such D/s things as fishing and swimming and going out to dinner. I know this, not because I'm comparing, but because I've fielded such questions as "How can you deal with this?" and "Is he always this way?" and most of the time, I don't even have a clue what they're talking about. The rest of the time, I walk around with this silly giddy look on my face.

When we spend out time at bdsm functions, we get to practice a higher protocol than we're commonly able to and do it without hiding. Note, I said a higher protocol than WE"RE usually able to enjoy, not a higher protocol than everyone else out there. We're not comparing ourselves. We just like what we do. This doesn't mean that those who do things differently than us are wrong. It just means that WE enjoy what we're doing.

We have some friends whose relationships are somewhat similar to ours. We enjoy doing things with them. But it doesn't mean he's forcing me into some strange pigeonhole or making me act in ways that are "not me." It doesn't mean I'm not independent or strong or whatever else is held up as a supposed contrast to those who DO live their lives like this. It just means this is what we do. Really! That's all it means.

Why is it so darned important to prove that one group is better than the other? I mean, when you go places is EVERYONE your friend? Or do you choose your friends so that they have common interests and common views and common goals in their lives? I am not necessarily going to choose for a friend someone who has nothing but disdain for myself, my Master or the way we live our lives. But while it's nice, they DON'T have to do things the way we do. 

Oh...and Michael?

Generally speaking, classy, strong, dynamic and independent women rarely spend their time focusing on the people they come in contact with who spend inordinate amounts of time and energy feeding the negativity in their lives. They simply don't have the time and the inclination. You might want to consider that in your search.

juliet


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RE: Sluts and Old Guard values - 1/24/2007 6:32:19 AM   
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What's funny about all this crap is I LOVE playing with protocol, I AM more formal than most I know but to me most who talk about it are the same as those who talk about new age values but can think only of themselves.

I am overjoyed that people want to embrace values like honor and integrity but I am less concerned with the badges on their chests than the actions they have taken.  Talk, like labels, is cheap. 

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