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missturbation -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 10:29:00 AM)
You are discarding all the guest speakers as well as him. Which bit of :- I'm not saying the whole thing is bull shit but David icke is not a reliable source, from post 34 did you not understand?

Real0ne -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 10:33:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Well I am not sure about Lizards.. and all. However for many years here in the US there has been rumor on rumor that the Free Mason run the country. It is a fact that many of the Founding Fathers were Free Masons. Be Well Nosathro Its not a rumor, look at the dollar bill, the seeing eye in the pyramid, draw the 5 pointed star and is spells out mason!! The Freemason's Signature by Robert Howard Updated 9/27/2001 In my research regarding the Freemason's, United States Presidents and The Masonic Power Structure I was constantly running into the number 13 and 33. This research confirmed that most of the founding fathers were Masons. It also confirmed that most of the Presidents were Masons. My first run in with 13 of course was the 13 colonies. Second was the great Seal. <image deleted> The letters at the bottom of the Pyramid DC - 600 LX - 60 VI - 6 see it here http://whale.to/b/howard1.html Ok, lets look at it properly. why omit numerals that dont fit your concepts? why ignore the M, for 1000? Why ignore a C that turns your 600 into 700? Why ignore an X that actually turns your 60 into 70? could it be because 1776 does not mean what you want it to mean? Could it be even more suspicous than it first appears? DC after all is the current flow that Thomas Edison propesed for the Electric chair. LX was for many years the trim level of Ford motor cars here in the UK that was aspired to by middle management and those that wanted to be one -up on their neighbours. VI is a text editor in many *nix distributions that of course are trying to take micrsoft off the the desktop i do not know enough about numerology to answer those questions and like an asshole i laughed at a woman who does several years ago and as a result never stayed in touch with her and now i could kick my ass for my ignorance because trying to figure this out is a real bitch. Alex jones and a few others predicted 2 months in advance that the world trade centers "were going to come down" i have the video doc on it somewhere. 2 months in advance, So he or one of his people know something.

Real0ne -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 10:36:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation You are discarding all the guest speakers as well as him. Which bit of :- I'm not saying the whole thing is bull shit but David icke is not a reliable source, from post 34 did you not understand? well by saying that icke is not a reliable sounce you are implying that the show and everything in it is bullshit. i didnt hear you say that david icke is not reliable "but that does not reflect on his guest speakers". or did you say that somewhere and i missed it?

mnottertail -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 10:38:13 AM)
LX was for many years the trim level of Ford motor cars here in the UK that was aspired to by middle management and those that wanted to be one -up on their neighbours. The founding fathers were a forward bunch of looking guys I warrant--- But how did they know it was gonna be Jerry Ford? Ron

missturbation -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 10:45:25 AM)
Now you are nit picking. I have made my feelings quite clear on this. David icke is not a reliable source but that doesnt mean i think all of it is bull shit. If you choose to read what i am saying differently that is your problem. Several people have pulled holes in your belief in these theories and you cant answer their questions. If you are going to fight for something so hard at least have the means to back it up would be my suggestion. Anyone can make things fit a theory to conform to what they believe and this appears to have been done to fit this theory. Just my opinion. The W sign you mention if i recall was adopted by presidents in an attempt to look hip for the kids who use it at rock concerts. If that is not the cas does that mean all the kids who go to these rock concerts are members of a satanic cult building the new world order? If pyramids are so important are the ancient egyptians involved in your conspiracy theory? The seeing eye if i remember rightly was an egyptian thing too!

Real0ne -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:00:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Now you are nit picking. I have made my feelings quite clear on this. David icke is not a reliable source but that doesnt mean i think all of it is bull shit. If you choose to read what i am saying differently that is your problem. Several people have pulled holes in your belief in these theories and you cant answer their questions. If you are going to fight for something so hard at least have the means to back it up would be my suggestion. Anyone can make things fit a theory to conform to what they believe and this appears to have been done to fit this theory. Just my opinion. The W sign you mention if i recall was adopted by presidents in an attempt to look hip for the kids who use it at rock concerts. If that is not the cas does that mean all the kids who go to these rock concerts are members of a satanic cult building the new world order? If pyramids are so important are the ancient egyptians involved in your conspiracy theory? The seeing eye if i remember rightly was an egyptian thing too! Nit picking? So then you agree that rest may not be bullshit, what i do not understand is why the BIG stink about icke then? It seems rather pointless if the rest may have merit. but whatever. No one has pulled holes in my belief, are you trying to tell me sleazy is a numerologist of the order and magnitude that it would take to decipher this stuff? If he was i am sure he would happily elaborate on a whole lot of other numerology questions i have and also be able to predict the next "terror" attack. Just like alex jones did! The w has a very specific meaning for the masons. you have to investigate. this is nothing for people who only want to glance at the surface and walk away like they know something, because i assure if thats the approach you know nothing. well their symbology has it roots in egyptian symbology, they took pocahantas off of the top dc and replaced it with columba.

Real0ne -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:05:48 AM)
Just a quick side note. That does not say all masons are bad. One group of Masons created this country freed us from taxation and gave us a constitution and another group is taking it all away, enslaving this country (and the world) to taxation and one central power that they control.

NorthernGent -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:07:46 AM)
I haven't read the whole thread but saw David Icke's name mentioned at the top - will read the rest of it after this post. About 2 months ago, I watched a documentary about David Icke which followed him in his every day life and basically gave his side of the story on all the media coverage sourrounding him (it was screened on Channel 4). Icke claims he was completely and utterly set up and deliberately misrepresented. Most of the stuff credited to him never came out of his mouth - according to Icke. Always good to hear two sides of any story. Plus, our tabloids are lucky to be termed newspapers as they will write any old nonsense so I'm not falling over myself to believe them. Now, I know for a fact that Icke claimed he was the son of god. I saw it with my own eyes. Icke's defence is he was struggling with a lot of issues in his life and things got on top of him - it may sound weak, I say give the bloke the benefit of the doubt. The key point relating to this is he does not believe he is the son of god. Anyway, the point of this post is this: based on the documentary, he's just a normal bloke living a normal life. He has an opinion and it centres around an illuminati running the world. Frankly, I have no idea how he's arrived at this conclusion but I certainly wouldn't dismiss him as mad. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the top men in powerful countries have a behind the scenes chat on the best way to keep hold of their power. It's simply court intrigue on a global scale - since court intrigue is as old as the hills and globalisation is as plain as day then it doesn't seem particularly extraordinary.

missturbation -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:09:17 AM)
My point is that a link with david icke does not give your theory any credit whatsoever. You wouldnt buy a book on truth written by a liar so why would you believe a nut job about conspiracy theories. As for the w sign you may be right, it may have a darker meaning but there again it may not. Can you prove either way? No!! Neither can i but both are possibilities. Im not saying sleazy is right either but can you prove him wrong? No!! Which makes his points just as valid as yours.

sleazy -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:15:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Im not saying sleazy is right either but can you prove him wrong? No!! Which makes his points just as valid as yours. Oh please dont let me be right, I would hate to be looked at in a few years time as the guy that predicted the mass electrocution of the aspiring middle classes by the heated seats in their Mondeos as a result of a misplaced comma in a secret file in hacked engne management computers!!!!!!!

missturbation -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:15:29 AM)
Icke claims he was completely and utterly set up and deliberately misrepresented. Most of the stuff credited to him never came out of his mouth - according to Icke. Thats funny he made these claims on tv in front of a live audience. Shape shifting lizards and the son of god - come on Ng!! I say give the bloke the benefit of the doubt. The key point relating to this is he does not believe he is the son of god. No the key point is he truly believed it at the time and stated it in several documentaries. This do not lead to giving benefit of the doubt. Anyway, the point of this post is this: based on the documentary, he's just a normal bloke living a normal life. Lol id love to see your definition of mentally unstable then.

missturbation -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:17:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Im not saying sleazy is right either but can you prove him wrong? No!! Which makes his points just as valid as yours. Oh please dont let me be right, I would hate to be looked at in a few years time as the guy that predicted the mass electrocution of the aspiring middle classes by the heated seats in their Mondeos as a result of a misplaced comma in a secret file in hacked engne management computers!!!!!!! Hmm to be put in the same category as david icke and real one (no offence but i think youre heading that way). Conspiracy theories are just that, i dont believe them, i dont disbelieve them. They cant be proved either way and whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion on them im sick of seeing them stated here as fact. Ps thats not a rant at you its a rant in general.

sleazy -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:24:51 AM)
Honest MissT, that post was meant to be just about sarcastic as I can manage at this point in time :) (admitedly not very much so as its been a pretty bad day for me, and I am not blaming that alien technology from Roswell, just people who thnk their idea of a good time is to cause a couple of grands worth of damage to my motor because they have nothing better to do)

NorthernGent -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:25:35 AM)
I watched an hour long programme and, as said, he was followed everywhere. My conclusion is he is an everyday bloke with an unusual point of view. He reckons he had a nervous breakdown when he claimed he was the son of god on live TV. It happens. Since then, he claims 95% of what has been attributed to him never came out of his mouth. He actually made some very good points about ID cards and other breaches of civil liberties. He talked a lot of sense on these particular issues. It showed him at conferences and the lizards were not mentioned - maybe they were mentioned at other conferences but not the ones on the documentary.

mnottertail -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:28:44 AM)
I did not father David ickie.

sleazy -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:31:19 AM)
Unfortunately a pro-Icke programme will make him out to be a generally OK sort of guy, exactly the same 24 hours could well be editied to make him look like a prime argument for the forcible use of straight-jackets. (Not that I would normally condone such actions). Given enough access and a creative edit team its possible to "prove" anythng, which I guess is the whole point of people having their own ideas about who/what/where/when/how x y or z happened

missturbation -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:32:05 AM)
Ok, my final post on this thread. Sleazy - sorry to hear about the damage to your car. Maybe it was a lizard shape shifting back into a human that did it. NG - My point is that with his mental background he is not the most reliable of sources. I quoted the site for the shape shifting lizards, believe it or not your choice. Real one - when you can prove a conspiracy theory let me know and ill be all ears. Until then as i said before i suggest you try to back data up before backing it. Mnottertail - Of course you didnt my God - even you are not that old [:D]

NorthernGent -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:39:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I did not father David ickie. That's a crying shame Ron because he has a marvellous lizard colony. You could have taken some credit.

sleazy -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:42:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Sleazy - sorry to hear about the damage to your car. Maybe it was a lizard shape shifting back into a human that did it. I suspect that it was more likely pond-scum in a hooded top. I cant see why shape shifitng lizards would pick on my motor, surely I am not that big a threat to the new world order??????[:D]

NorthernGent -> RE: History Channel Investigates Secret Societies Conspiracies (1/23/2007 11:47:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation NG - My point is that with his mental background he is not the most reliable of sources. I quoted the site for the shape shifting lizards, believe it or not your choice. Hey miss, I'm just adding a balance here. He reckons he was royally shafted by the media.

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