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Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 12:44:47 PM   
WyrdRich


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Status: offline 		       I am really high right now.  Only way to describe it.  I finally took this cruddy little virus to the Dr and he gave me a note for a few days off work and a bottle of cough syrup.  Woo-Hoo!  It's pretty damn good cough syrup.

      It has me wondering a bit though.  I know people who've been disabled and take stuff a lot stronger than this every day to manage their pain.  Some of them actually function pretty well, but they are still high.  Do people who are taking such meds have any business in the lifestyle?  Can they be trusted?
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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:09:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Assuming the person has their wits about them, I think it's going to have to be up to the individual's partners. Being on long-term pain management is a lot different than short-term narcotics. Long-term and you become accustomed to the effects and, usually, the dosages are set so that you're not spaced out all the time. Most people are able to work and drive and such. It's different than being high or drunk on occasion.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:13:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do people who are taking such meds have any business in the lifestyle?
I would think they have just as much right as anyone.
 
Can they be trusted?
Just as much as you can trust anyone. I would think that  they would know themselves well enough on medication to know when it is safe to play or not. I am an asthmatic and know i sometimes get a temporary high from my ventolin or becotide. I also take pretty strong pain killers for a stomach condition which can leave me pretty drowsy and not all there. I know not to play when i have these side effects.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:22:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		      I never questioned for a second their 'right' to participate, I'm wondering if it is smart.  The freedom to do stupid things is a given.

    I have a bit of experience with addicts and addiction, and these comments ring of denial, like a drunk insisting he knows when he shouldn't drive.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:25:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's great that in yourself you can recognize the signs of 'not being in control' of yourself; however, Personally, I don't think it's yours or anyone elses place to state who is capable and who is not.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:30:33 PM   
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     I never questioned for a second their 'right' to participate, I'm wondering if it is smart.  The freedom to do stupid things is a given.


Quite true.

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   I have a bit of experience with addicts and addiction, and these comments ring of denial, like a drunk insisting he knows when he shouldn't drive.


Addiction and chemical dependence are not the same thing.  Addiction usually has a chemical dependence element, but the reverse is not necessarily true (although it can be).

Dependence happens when your body gets used to something and needs it to function - such as long term pain management medications. 

Addiction is drug seeking behavior for the purpose of mood modification.  They are not necessarily linked.  A person who is dependent can be titrated off a medication with no ill effects or drug seeking behavior.  Addiction is a horse of a different feather.

I agree with the posters who say that it's between the parties involved.  Same as drinking and playing.  It's between the parties involved.


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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:35:36 PM   
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I hope you get to feeling better real soon, Rich.


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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:41:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		       What does 'why' a person takes a drug have to do with the effects?  The consciousness is altered, regardless of motivation.




  
    

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:44:56 PM   
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Oh yeah....

I hope you get to feeling better real soon, Rich.




    Napping a lot, drinking lots of fruit juice and, did I mention it was really good cough syrup?  I'll be back to 100% soon.  Thanks for the good wishes.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:47:37 PM   
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     What does 'why' a person takes a drug have to do with the effects?  The consciousness is altered, regardless of motivation.


Tell you what, take that cough syrup as prescribed religiously and come back and let us know if you still get fucked up after you take it by the time you get to the end of the bottle.  Then imagine if you took it a couple of times a day for 6 months.

The baseline for 'normal' functioning changes as your body acclimatizes to the chemicals.  Ask someone in late stage cancer if the morphine is doing anything for them anymore.



Edited for poor quoting.


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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:48:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I once played with a person who was on opiates for pain managment, but she didn't tell me, I found out after from somebody else.  I was amazed at her tolerance level, until I found out.  I could have done her damage without her being aware of it I think.  I confronted her later, she said she had not told me because she was afraid that I would say no, and she really wanted to play. 

She was right, I would have said no.  Fortunately no harm was done.  I would never do that again, with knowledge of it in advance.    Certainly I will never play with her again; I do not feel that I can trust her.

I have a good friend who is a Top for many years, he now has severe osteoarthritis in a shoulder and is on opiates among other things.  He won't play if he is not feeling well enough to skip his dose.  He knows that his perception and coordination is not the same when he is medicated, even though he is quite acclimated to the drug.

Depends I guess on dosage, how you like to play, etc.  Heavy pain scenes are not the same as lighter ones, or sex or sensation play.



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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:50:13 PM   
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   Napping a lot, drinking lots of fruit juice and, did I mention it was really good cough syrup?  I'll be back to 100% soon.  Thanks for the good wishes.


Yay!  Rest and fluids, the universal cure.

Tell me, is that cough syrup phenergan and codeine?  That's what my doc rx's when I've got it bad and it does indeed help me rest (for a while, anyway). 


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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 1:52:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		WyrdRich,
Yes I can be trusted. I daresay I am more aware of my body and the reactions of my body than most people are. At this point I can't find anything else to say, although I'm sure that will change lol.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 2:23:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		      Promethazine/Codeine.  Took the body aches right out of the picture.

    Back to work tomorrow though, so it'll just be Nyquil tonight.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 2:59:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Depends on why you are taking the meds and if you are willing to cut back on what you do based on the side effects of the medication.

The meds I take (only 12 days a month now) tend to make me very dizzy and when I'm on them after a few days I stop driving and rely solely on Tom or Fox. I do not do SM in the evenings during those days because I judge it to be too risky.

If someone was using drugs that thinned their blood, I'd probably not do cuttings. Someone who took meds that made them sleepy I'd check in and make sure they were wide awake or not scene when they were getting sleepy.

Drugs that change moods worry me simply because some people when they start feeling "good" stop taking their meds and then things spiral downward again -- sorry I don't need that drama in my life.

Anyone using alcohol or smoking things to the point that their judgement is impaired I also won't play with -- I consider both these types of consumption to be choices not necessary like most medications are.

In general, I think that if we said "no meds = no play" then the amount of play would dropped incredibly. We live in a world of overpopulation where we aren't nearly as clean or as careful as we think we are, we misuse drugs that help viruses and bacteria develop resistances, and so forth. In short if meds are necessary just adjust your play accordingly.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 4:35:12 PM   
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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 4:50:53 PM   
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    What does 'why' a person takes a drug have to do with the effects?  The consciousness is altered, regardless of motivation.


Tell you what, take that cough syrup as prescribed religiously and come back and let us know if you still get fucked up after you take it by the time you get to the end of the bottle.  Then imagine if you took it a couple of times a day for 6 months.

The baseline for 'normal' functioning changes as your body acclimatizes to the chemicals.  Ask someone in late stage cancer if the morphine is doing anything for them anymore.



Edited for poor quoting.



    Just be glad you are temporarily on codeine eh? MizSuz is correct in saying that the initial high wears off after continued dosage. Someone on continued dosage is well aware of what stage their body is in. If they are going to play dangerously they would play so even without medication.
    Taking, needing medication does not mean that you are a risk nor a risk taker.
    Being unaware of your body and your limits are what puts you at risk. I'd have to bet that most in WIITWD that take heavy medication are more in tune with their bodies and their doctors than the average kinkster.
    Addicts and people that have to live a life of pain management aren't the same. Addiction may come as a result but it is not the reason for the drugs used, therefore it is a different mindset altogether which since you've worked with addicts..should be aware of. Oh lookie at my run on sentence. It is staying.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 5:03:04 PM   
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Ask your hero Rush Limbaugh.

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     Limbaugh is actually a pretty good example of a medicated person, living in denial of what impact the drug is having.  He's nearly as arrogant as a few Doms too.  I think you are making my case that medication is not appropriate to WIITWD.

       (If you'd care to discuss politics, domiguy, there are forums where that is completely welcome)

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 5:17:06 PM   
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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 6:05:26 PM   
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      I am really high right now.  Only way to describe it.  Woo-Hoo!  It's pretty damn good cough syrup.

     It has me wondering a bit though.  Do people who are taking such meds have any business in the lifestyle?  Can they be trusted?



I would actually trust a person such as myself on my meds, more then a person like you on your occassional unknown med.  I have been on mine long enough to know how they make me feel, how I interact with others while on them, how they interact with other things alochol, OTC a tylenol and so forth. 
I know my limits with my disorders and have it in my porofile upfront to be seen.  As far as going off them, no not a good idea for me.  You would not like me whem I am off my meds.

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