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starshineowned -> Better watch your tongue (1/25/2007 9:08:26 PM)
Greetings..~smiles~ Alot of different topics popping up regarding rights and freedoms. Did we ever have them? Are we loosing them, and know it? Are we loosing them, and dont see it? Are we being sheeples out here allowing stupid laws to pass because to some what they are passed for is good, right, and just for all? http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2822656&page=1 While I am not a fan of this particular word, and well alot of words actually. I never had a thought or inkling in my pea brain of thinking to restrict people from speaking their minds. Where will things like this end? Next it will be bitch or slut or crackhead or buttmunch or cracker. It's already spanking your child in the court systems. Enforced mandatory uniformed dress codes at schools. Where are we going with all this? Anyone seen any real promising changes with some of these enforcements or attempts there of? starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

Real0ne -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/25/2007 9:12:41 PM)
according to the constitution i have the right to burn the american flag, at least till a few years ago. its the same thing hitler did ya know... This is only the beginning. This crap will become more and more shocking because they are in control, we are already in the mwo big time. Not sure how we can turn it around either because there are so many illuminati cells and implants already. The sacred 11's 13's and 33's http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/final_warning/final_warning_table_of_contents.htm http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm baaaaahhhaaaahhhhh ps: check out the taking over 101, boring and dry as hell but its why we are in the situation we are in now. hell check out both, they are both excellent vids.

SugarandSpite -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/25/2007 9:29:38 PM)
i personally think its silly. its like 'holocaust denial' being illegal. no matter what people have been through you cant make it illegal for someone to make a stupid comment about it.

Real0ne -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/25/2007 9:36:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarandSpite i personally think its silly. its like 'holocaust denial' being illegal. no matter what people have been through you cant make it illegal for someone to make a stupid comment about it. wanna bet? we have the patriot act dont we? All you have to do to know your "enemy" is to see who is pushing for unconstitutional laws, i assure you they are well connected! This is only the begining you all taint seen nuttin yet! The sacred 11's 13's and 33's http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/final_warning/final_warning_table_of_contents.htm http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm

SirKenin -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 2:39:19 AM)
You (I speak of the public as a collective) know why they are taking away your rights? Because you are not responsible with them. You have no idea how to control yourselves and you abuse them. Some pussy gets offended, the ACLU sees publicity and dollar bills and that is one more "freedom" down the drain. If the public was not such a bunch of fucking cry babies and whiners and if you did not have the people on the opposite side of the fence that can not control that rattle trap in their puss then this is what you get. Only you have the power to change it, but you are so selfishly concerned about "your rights" that you completely forget that your rights end where the next person's rights begin.... So you brought it on yourselves. It will only get worse unless the collective starts thinking about their neighbor rather than their own self-gratification.

meatcleaver -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 3:54:18 AM)
Nothing should be banned but we have puritans on both the left and right (they think they are diffirent but they are the same) that think they can make society better through legislation. The saying springs to mind 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions.' I don't think such a word should be banned but I wouldn't be impressed by someone who used it and anyway, many black people use the word and while they use it in a different context, would there be a law saying in what context the word may be used? The whole idea of banning is stupid but we have started out on the slippery slope.

sleazy -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 4:50:07 AM)
I have to admit, I think Sirkenin is close to the mark on this. Speaking as a brit we already have similar such legislation on a national scale. We have not banned a single word, but if I were to say the word "elephant" and some complained it was a racial slur the police are duty bound to investigate it as such! Perhaps the bit of the story I found most interesting was the level of support claimed starting at 90% and ending at 30. That is often the trouble with politicians no matter their stance, they mention something amongst their own group and followers and of course it is looked upon as good, but not many actually go all down the line and figure that the support of the people naturally expected to hold similar views is enough.

popeye1250 -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 7:29:20 AM)
Many people don't realise that it is "The People" who tell the government what to do and not the other way around in the U.S. anyway. Many people don't seem to have a problem being "dictated" to by the government. That's not the U.S. government's job to do.

starshineowned -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 7:35:15 AM)
I think that is suppose to be the way it works Sir. I don't have any doubt that often despite what the people really say is being ignored and the vote against what the lawmakers really want some how get changed to their favor. I've grown up hearing the saying of "Ive never met a politician that wasn't crooked". There must be a reason for that, and this is just my life time. Who knows what all happened and was got away with before my time. Well Wishes starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

NorthernGent -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 7:37:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned Greetings..~smiles~ Alot of different topics popping up regarding rights and freedoms. Did we ever have them? Are we loosing them, and know it? Are we loosing them, and dont see it? Are we being sheeples out here allowing stupid laws to pass because to some what they are passed for is good, right, and just for all? http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2822656&page=1 While I am not a fan of this particular word, and well alot of words actually. I never had a thought or inkling in my pea brain of thinking to restrict people from speaking their minds. Where will things like this end? Next it will be bitch or slut or crackhead or buttmunch or cracker. It's already spanking your child in the court systems. Enforced mandatory uniformed dress codes at schools. Where are we going with all this? Anyone seen any real promising changes with some of these enforcements or attempts there of? starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin Within your series of questions, the part in bold betrays where your feelings lie. On your "speaking your mind" comment, do you believe that someone should be allowed to say whatever they want to whomever they want?

starshineowned -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 7:50:36 AM)
What I am saying Sir is that I don't think laws being imposed to restrict persons thoughts and feelings especially down to specific words is warranted. I am saying or rather really asking if this is a accepted trend, which it appears to be.. looking at accumalitive impositions over the years, and to what end is there, and how far are people willing to go and continue to allow it?..as well as is there anything that can be suggested by the People to halt this process and find a better solution or resolve amongst themselves. This whole be politically correct and tollerant of others crap went right out the window as soon as laws to try and enforce them came into effect. Well Wishes starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

popeye1250 -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 7:58:38 AM)
"Political Correctness" is not a "law" it was a term coined by Hillary Clinton in the early 90's. If someone tries that "PC" stuff with me I just tell them to go and fuck themselves. We on this site, should of all people be vigilant against that B.S.

NorthernGent -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 7:58:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned What I am saying Sir is that I don't think laws being imposed to restrict persons thoughts and feelings especially down to specific words is warranted. I am saying or rather really asking if this is a accepted trend, which it appears to be.. looking at accumalitive impositions over the years, and to what end is there, and how far are people willing to go and continue to allow it?..as well as is there anything that can be suggested by the People to halt this process and find a better solution or resolve amongst themselves. This whole be politically correct and tollerant of others crap went right out the window as soon as laws to try and enforce them came into effect. Well Wishes starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin Ok. There are a few questions in there all underpinned by your view which I have highlighted in bold. Get to the bottom of that and then the rest will follow. What are your views on the following: 1) A man subjects a young boy to verbal abuse and this includes threats of sexual abuse. Imagine the young boy is someone you know. 2) A young black or asian girl is subjected to a tirade of vicious, racial abuse which leaves the young girl crying. 3) A man corners a woman in a subway after dark (with nobody around) and issues threats of physical and sexual abuse. The woman is left shaken. Imagine it is someone you know. Do you think the above examples should be considered acceptable under the banner of "no restriction of thoughts and feelings"?

sleazy -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 8:04:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Many people don't realise that it is "The People" who tell the government what to do and not the other way around in the U.S. anyway. Many people don't seem to have a problem being "dictated" to by the government. That's not the U.S. government's job to do. Not quite accurate imho, people vote for a government to tell them what to do or not do. The clue is in the word "govern" 1. to rule over by right of authority: to govern a nation. 2. to exercise a directing or restraining influence over; guide: the motives governing a decision. 3. to hold in check; control: to govern one's temper. 4. to serve as or constitute a law for: the principles governing a case. 5. Grammar. to be regularly accompanied by or require the use of (a particular form). In They helped us, the verb helped governs the objective case of the pronoun we. 6. to regulate the speed of (an engine) with a governor. –verb (used without object) 7. to exercise the function of government. 8. to have predominating influence. If a government was really there to serve the people it would be called a servement [:D]

popeye1250 -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 8:05:55 AM)
Gent, those examples would fall under "ass kickin' time."

NorthernGent -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 8:10:11 AM)
Popeye, he's not a local man and you'll never see him.

starshineowned -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 8:19:09 AM)
Laws regarding such issue's already stand. There is a process present and available called suing. It is that process that is initiated by a individual or group of individuals when they feel wronged. This is what the court system is for. There is also a point of stupidity versus real harm. I think I can figure those out without a law imposed Sir. Well Wishes starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

NorthernGent -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 8:24:39 AM)
Just so I'm clear: are you saying you believe those found guilty in examples 1 to 3 should be brought before a court of law?

Noah -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 8:52:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: starshineowned Greetings..~smiles~ A lot of different topics popping up regarding rights and freedoms. Did we ever have them? Are we loosing them, and know it? Are we loosing them, and dont see it? Are we being sheeples out here allowing stupid laws to pass because to some what they are passed for is good, right, and just for all? http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2822656&page=1 While I am not a fan of this particular word, and well alot of words actually. I never had a thought or inkling in my pea brain of thinking to restrict people from speaking their minds. Where will things like this end? Next it will be bitch or slut or crackhead or buttmunch or cracker. It's already spanking your child in the court systems. Enforced mandatory uniformed dress codes at schools. Where are we going with all this? Anyone seen any real promising changes with some of these enforcements or attempts there of? starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin Are you telling us that you are legally mandated to send your child to a school which has mandatory dress codes? What the fuck is going on down there in Texas? I know of no other jurisdiction than yours where this is the case. If a given school deems that as a part of their educational model there will be restrictions on dress, I think this is wonderful. I damn well want my child's school to do a lot of restricting of self-expression in the cause of education. When your kid wants to express himself by running across the desktops screaming obscenities at the other children, I want his freedom of expression restricted. When the teacher want wants quiet in the classroom so that a lesson can be calmly and clearly imparted, I want the freedom of expression of every rugrat in the room restricted, hard and fast. Poor Bubba Jr. can't wear his Spongebob shorts to school? Little Missy can't wear her glittery "Pornstar" belly shirt? Sounds great to me. I attended a school which mandated uniforms--though this was a choice my parents made, not a legal requirement. It was a wonderful thing. It saved my parents a bag full of money in that they only had to buy enough of those skrts and trousers and shirts to fill out a laundry cycle once and each of us several kids were set for the year. The poor kids and the better of kids all had the same togs. A whole big category of social status bullshit was radically de-emphasized with us, allowing more attention to go where it belonged. And since it was like this from first grade on, we were used to it and quite content. Our parents could allot scarce resources to things that mattered rather than trendy clothes. Letting kids dress like pimps and whores and billboards for corporations in schools is a fine thing for a school to regulate away, if you ask me. And I'll be fucked if your preference to send your kids to school that way is going to be shoved down my throat under some flag labelled freedom. The law in the article you cited would presumably fail a test of constitutionality. I hope so, but then given the the conservative judicial activism that has been built into the courst in recent years, maybe not. In any case I find it astounding that you are bitching about some goofy local law when in fact on the federal level the current administration has stripped you of your Habeus Corpus rights. As things stand now--as I understand things--the President of anyone he designated can deem any individual unworthy of the right to a lawyer, the right to be charged with a crime or relaeased, the right to face his accuser. I hope someone with legal expertise will post to correct what I may have gotten wrong there and perhaps explain further. But I believe that the thrust of what I have said is correct. Those absolutely core rights of American citizenship are simply gone now. You, you don't have those rights any more. Access to an attorney, and the presumption of innocence used to be rights. They are now privileges revokeable at will by the President and his assigns without judicial review. And you're barking about some yahoos and the N-word?

LadyEllen -> RE: Better watch your tongue (1/26/2007 9:07:29 AM)
Hast thou not been delivered into the hands of thy master in the sight of the Lord? How then shalt thou deny the authority of thy master over thee? (The Book of Oppression, ch2, v10) E

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