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sleazy -> RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible (2/7/2007 12:29:23 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: sleazy
I have no need to see your videos Real, the state I live in over-ruled its founding legislation decades ago (neither the magna carta nor our bill of rights have been taught in schools for decades), and has been ruled by hidden agendas and minorty groups for some time. Remember my little country has more CCTV cameras per head of population than anywhere in the world, we legalised our "carnivore" long before 9/11, on and off we have had detention without trial for decades for those deemed a threat to national security. Mine is the country that has some of the most repressive pornography laws in the western world, mine is the state that surrenders to ununiformed combatants, mine is the city that can throw up police checkpoints in a matter of minutes, the control points are built, all they need is a uniform to stand there. And perhaps most of all, I am at times a part of that machine. We have a second house that is to some degree appointed by whomever is in power, one that can and has been over-ruled by the first house, a government that has been trying to sneak in legislation to allow the inner cabinet to amend and create legislation without recourse to the elected representatives, a government that uses anti-terror laws to arrest people for reading a list of names, or for shouting "rubbish" to a cabinet minister.
Honestly you boys that side of the Atlantic are barely playing catch up when it comes to rule of law over the masses.
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PS we have no right of assembly to demonstrate without police permision applied for in advance, we have legislation that allows for direct media censorship, of the 5 broadcast networks, 3 are nominally owned by the state.
Sure but now put a label on it all!
A label? well if you insist I shall use the label "life", after all shit happens and sometimes there is little can be done about it :)
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Literally everything you say violates our constitution on most levels.
Violates ours too, but thats the advantage of being a rule-maker, you can change them as you see fit, remember your constitution is not cast in stone, it has been amended in the past to fit agendas and it is not beyond the realms of possibility it will be again.
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You are what supposedly a democratic monarchy or a parlimentary monarchy? or something along those lines? We are a united republic. NOT a democracy as the uninformed would say. Our founding fathers hated democracy. We basically start with fundamental laws, the constitution and work off of that. We the people made this document, we the people made these laws, our governement is sworn to uphold these laws and they are violating them. Its unfortunate you have never felt the feelings of being a king as we once had here, ie: sovereignity. Your government is what we fought to get away from.
Yes and no, our government 200 years ago was a vastly different animal from the one we have now, just as yours has changed over time
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what you described looks more like a totalitarian police state to me. why would we want that here?
My point is that many people are claiming it is a police state there in the US, what you do have, is actually a lot more freedom than is realised. You bitch about patriot act, ours was enacted in 2000, you bitch about internment without trial, google "Long Kesh", see when we did it, against citizens not foriegn nationals. You bitch about attempts at restricting firearms ownership, here hairspray is technically an offensive weapon. Ask an american high school kid about the constitution and he can probably recite it, ask a brit kid (or even adult) of almost any age about the magna carta (our equivalent) and you will get a "huh?" I do not need to see videos that say invisible strangers are trying to control my life or remove my freedoms etc, I already know that because I live it.
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That and it seems to me it would be pretty hard to discuss things about the illuminati when a person is a willing participant in their activities.
And there, you miss a point I have made several times, I am a mercenary bastard. I answer to no man, I keep my wallet just full enough to do the things I want to do, I turn away work I feel morally distasteful, I do everything I can to avoid paying taxes, I will take money from whoever pays enough for me to see a profit (both morally and cash wise) in it. Sometimes that means I contract to the government and their cohorts, sometimes it means I contract to those who are anti-government. If anything on a personal level I am way past libertarian anti-government and well into a curious mix of facist and anarchist. You have probably gathered my company has staff in Iraq right now, these are spread across several contracts and the irony is...... not one of those contracts is to a government or corporation that is pro-war, in fact most are not even of western origin. So I would argue my being any more a part of it than you are, if anything less so as I will do things that are actively anti-government.
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