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JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 12:40:17 PM

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This is the laastest release of the film that shows the film inbetween the sprokets and is way more clear than the previous films i have seen on it.

What is interesting is that if you watch this very closely do not focus on the president getting shot. Focus on the driver, william Greer i htink his name was.

You can easily see the driver put his left hand on his right shoulder with something protruding beyond his back, then he turns for a split second looks at the president and then the presidents head explodes. At the same time you see the other two ducking which to me would be how i would react seeing a gun on someones shoulder. Anyway this digtal remaster is really pretty sharp image, they say the original is very sharp also but i do not think it has ever been released.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpnZfZfOv48

It looks like greer may have fired the fatal shot?

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 2:01:52 PM

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This is the laastest release of the film that shows the film inbetween the sprokets and is way more clear than the previous films i have seen on it

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Would like to watch the film but with Dial Up it takes too long to load.
One point, there is no film between the sprockets, from memory a cine camera exposes a frame every one twenty fourth of a second which is fast enough to make human perception interpret the film as continuous.

If Oswald had been the assassin his ideal shooting moment occured at the point the M/cycles turn towards the camera.
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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 2:24:21 PM

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You can easily see the driver put his left hand on his right shoulder with something protruding beyond his back, then he turns for a split second looks at the president and then the presidents head explodes. At the same time you see the other two ducking which to me would be how i would react seeing a gun on someones shoulder. Anyway this digtal remaster is really pretty sharp image, they say the original is very sharp also but i do not think it has ever been released.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpnZfZfOv48

It looks like greer may have fired the fatal shot?

*laughs* You have got to be kidding me. I've sat here and watched carefully over and over again. You can't even make out most of the driver because of the passenger in the front seat let alone where his hands or even arms are. As for the Governor Connelly and the other passenger in the back, they do not "duck" until right after Kennedy's head "explodes". I believe Gov. Connelly was shot, as well... so I don't think he was ducking, anyway.

You really are unbelievable.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 2:53:26 PM

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*laughs* You have got to be kidding me. I've sat here and watched carefully over and over again. You can't even make out most of the driver because of the passenger in the front seat let alone where his hands or even arms are. As for the Governor Connelly and the other passenger in the back, they do not "duck" until right after Kennedy's head "explodes". I believe Gov. Connelly was shot, as well... so I don't think he was ducking, anyway.

You really are unbelievable.

you cant see that huh?
left hand over right shoulder head turns and then kennedy's head explodes, he ducks forward and then hits the gas on the car.

Here is a stabalized one from google, its a lot bigger but regular speed, maybe easier to see if you blow it up all the way.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4950211123138054418

its crystal clear compared to the one the gov released years ago.

right the head explodes then they duck. if you see how fast this dude did all this it all happened in a split second... literally...

i am not saying that there were not multiple shooters, there were several, i just think the fatal shot or should i say the one where you can see the brains flying came from the driver. They have recordings of at least 5 shots if i remember right from that day.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 3:10:15 PM

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ORIGINAL RealOne
This is the laastest release of the film that shows the film inbetween the sprokets and is way more clear than the previous films i have seen on it
.

Would like to watch the film but with Dial Up it takes too long to load.
One point, there is no film between the sprockets, from memory a cine camera exposes a frame every one twenty fourth of a second which is fast enough to make human perception interpret the film as continuous.

If Oswald had been the assassin his ideal shooting moment occured at the point the M/cycles turn towards the camera.
Say no more !

you can get a firefox downloader for google videos and just leave it download then also get the flash player. save it in the flv format for fastest download.

Here is the regular speed one from google
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4950211123138054418

i watch the driver and then in my periferial vision noted when the head exploded and took note of that point, then it is easier to see. Once you see it, its plain as day. Can see the gun and everything. i do not have the source but i read that it has been shown in japan over the air a zillion times.

Here is the html version utube downloader :   http://youtube.tdjc.be/

the software version http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php

here is the google downloader that runs on firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/   (my fav)

if you use firefox once its installed it will say get video in the lower left corner of the browser, right click on it, a message will pop up, click cancel to save as an flv, i dont think avi works right and they are much bigger to dl.

then you will need also to get a flv player   http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-2139_4-10467081.html

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 3:13:03 PM

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its crystal clear compared to the one the gov released years ago.

*shakes head* Nope, sorry. The front passenger's head is blocking the driver's right shoulder in the moment right before the shot. You cannot see anything but the driver and front passenger's heads in the split seconds before or immediately after because of the way it is framed.

I'm sorry... but you are imagining things. You do realize that if you want something bad enough, your mind can play tricks on you?

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 3:15:47 PM

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I did not see that RealOne, but I do see what I have always seen, just a little clearer... Kennedy being shot from the front, not the back. I still think that from all I have seen and read about the subject, the shots came from the grassy knoll. And I will never believe Jack Ruby, owner of a girlie bar and mobster, shot Oswald out of some form of patriotic fervor either... Nor do I believe in Magic Bullets.

I am still emotionally affected by that film, there was a coup that day, and since we have never gotten justice, I do not know if we can ever feel at peace about it all.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 3:22:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

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its crystal clear compared to the one the gov released years ago.

*shakes head* Nope, sorry. The front passenger's head is blocking the driver's right shoulder in the moment right before the shot. You cannot see anything but the driver and front passenger's heads in the split seconds before or immediately after because of the way it is framed.

I'm sorry... but you are imagining things. You do realize that if you want something bad enough, your mind can play tricks on you?

i hope a few people watch this and comment on it too because connelly slouches forward and this can be seen just and i mean just over his connelly's left shoulder as he falls forward, its nearly exactly the same time that connelly's head goes forward the drivers arm is going over the right shoulder.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 3:28:31 PM

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I did not see that RealOne, but I do see what I have always seen, just a little clearer... Kennedy being shot from the front, not the back. I still think that from all I have seen and read about the subject, the shots came from the grassy knoll. And I will never believe Jack Ruby, owner of a girlie bar and mobster, shot Oswald out of some form of patriotic fervor either... Nor do I believe in Magic Bullets.

I am still emotionally affected by that film, there was a coup that day, and since we have never gotten justice, I do not know if we can ever feel at peace about it all.

yes in a word it "pisses me off" too. One of the few presidents that really tried to do some good for the people. A whole crowd of people ran up toward the grassy knoll where they heard the gunshot to heroically try and tackle the guy but when they got there all they found was a secret service agent. imagine that.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 3:29:20 PM

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You also have to take into consideration that the driver would have then had to somehow get rid of the smoking gun, while performing all his evasive moves with secret service agents crawling into the car, and then speeding to the hospital. Then, he would have had to get rid of the powder burns that would have been everywhere. And also have used bullets small enough to fit into the hand gun that was also small enough to have done this dirty deed, but then magically grow into those actually found at the scene that came from high-powered rifles.

I suppose it's POSSIBLE that the driver clutched at his shoulder in response to being grazed with the bullet that came from behind and ended up in Gov. Connelly's leg. But far-fetched conspiracy theories are just so much more.....stimulating.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 3:29:46 PM

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Sorry, I'm not seeing it either. I think the film was doctored by insiders from the Skull & Bones Society. You should look into that and get back to us.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 3:36:28 PM

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You also have to take into consideration that the driver would have then had to somehow get rid of the smoking gun, while performing all his evasive moves with secret service agents crawling into the car, and then speeding to the hospital. Then, he would have had to get rid of the powder burns that would have been everywhere. And also have used bullets small enough to fit into the hand gun that was also small enough to have done this dirty deed, but then magically grow into those actually found at the scene that came from high-powered rifles.

I suppose it's POSSIBLE that the driver clutched at his shoulder in response to being grazed with the bullet that came from behind and ended up in Gov. Connelly's leg. But far-fetched conspiracy theories are just so much more.....stimulating.

To say that you have to assume they were not in on it then yes the smoking gun would be a problem.

However there were many things that were not according to hoyle that day.

Open windows on the buildings
the car slows to less than 40mph
the motorcycles were around the ss cars not the presidents as they were supposed to be
the ss that run beside the car were behind the car instead
the driver should have punched it on the first sound of a bullet but slowed instead
someone painted yellow 2 foor marks on the curbs ever 40 feet (kill zones)

Nope he had as much time as he needed to get rid of the smoking gun.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 3:47:36 PM

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Ok its just before you see the glint of the sun reflecting off of the windshield. just above connelly's left shoulder you should at least be able to see something light colored come up to the front top of the drivers right shoulder ans extending over the top. its almost like watching matt dillion draw, i would say 1 second maybe 1.5 i have no way to measure the time as i dont have need for that kind video processing normally so i cant measure it. Maybe i can find that a little little later in a slo mo version on google.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 3:51:46 PM

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I do not buy the Warren Commision. A bunch of high profile politicians are not Law Enforcement Experts.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 3:53:13 PM

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It was the Mexican Police Officer on the grassy knoll with his sling shot.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 4:08:52 PM

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Nope he had as much time as he needed to get rid of the smoking gun.

True enough. It's easy to get rid of a gun that doesn't exist.

Your interesting theory discounts the fact that Kennedy's entry wounds were posterior and the exit wounds were anterior. That driver must have had long arms to shoot Kennedy in the back while sitting in the driver's seat.

Then there's the little problem with the "missing" pistol that fired rifle rounds, but let's not let reality get in the way of your theory and the rising value of my shares in Alcoa.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 4:10:34 PM

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We don't know. We are never going to know. If each and every accurate detail was posted on the internet, nobody would accept it over any other whacko theory anyway.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that Bush the First was deeply involved, but I'm not going to argue it. Ya'll have fun though.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 6:02:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

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You can easily see the driver put his left hand on his right shoulder with something protruding beyond his back, then he turns for a split second looks at the president and then the presidents head explodes. At the same time you see the other two ducking which to me would be how i would react seeing a gun on someones shoulder. Anyway this digtal remaster is really pretty sharp image, they say the original is very sharp also but i do not think it has ever been released.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpnZfZfOv48

It looks like greer may have fired the fatal shot?

*laughs* You have got to be kidding me. I've sat here and watched carefully over and over again. You can't even make out most of the driver because of the passenger in the front seat let alone where his hands or even arms are. As for the Governor Connelly and the other passenger in the back, they do not "duck" until right after Kennedy's head "explodes". I believe Gov. Connelly was shot, as well... so I don't think he was ducking, anyway.

You really are unbelievable.

Hey i am not that way!

After taking still shots of it frame by frame its the sun glinting off of connellys head and he is moving just right that it looks just like the driver levelled the gun on his shoulder! So you are correct. wtg thanks for catching that :) Puts us back to the knoll then doesnt it.

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 6:04:33 PM

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We don't know. We are never going to know. If each and every accurate detail was posted on the internet, nobody would accept it over any other whacko theory anyway.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that Bush the First was deeply involved, but I'm not going to argue it. Ya'll have fun though.

absolutely nothing would surprise me when it comes to the bush family

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RE: JFK Assassination - Did The Butler Do It? - 1/27/2007 6:10:55 PM

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It was the Mexican Police Officer on the grassy knoll with his sling shot.

I am not Mexican.

I was aiming at the car door.

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