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openmindedslave -> Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 3:45:35 PM)

Recently, Iwas reading a profile that stated that the Mistress was only interested in online training .  My question is for anyone who has experience dealing with online  training ? Do sub/slaves really stay with it for the long term? How involved does the training get? And do you feel you can really be dominated or serve a  Mistress /Master on line as well as in person? Thank you for your insight.




MadRabbit -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 3:50:07 PM)

In my opinion, its purely fantasy.




countrygirl69 -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 4:01:37 PM)

I think you need hands on or its just a game




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 4:01:50 PM)

i've had far too much online training...ready for the next phase...real life




Quivver -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 4:32:59 PM)

Online and Training all in the same word?  ... I'm afraid I'll be sorry I've asked this, but what ~kind~ of relationship are you hoping to find? 




MadRabbit -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 4:48:29 PM)

Let me take a shot at giving you some real answers before I log off for the day...doubt you will get many. I dont have experience because I have zero interest in long distance or "online training", but I can give you a healthy dose of reality from some past experiences.

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And do you feel you can really be dominated or serve a  Mistress /Master online as well as in person?



No, because how? Can they bring the Mistress their coffee online or cook them a steak? Short of doing Internet research or sending them money, they cant really provide a real service online. If by "online training", you mean a long distance relationship with the Internet as a medium, then the answer is still no. Even the most experienced submissives are going to have a hard time following the orders and rules of a dominant who's physical prescense isnt there. My prevois submissive lived in a neighboring city and came into town to stay with me and serve. Outside of that time, I have very little influence on her life, because I wasnt going to set myself up to fail or get frustrated when she wasnt doing what I wanted long distance.

So when they say "online training", most likely what they mean is cyber/roleplaying.

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Do sub/slaves really stay with it for the long term?



With cyber/roleplaying, I'm sure they do. Anyone can type out a roleplaying scene online and pretend to be a slave or Mistress. Its cheap and easy thrills when people arent willing or interested in the hard realities and effort required for doing it in RT.

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How involved does the training get?



Mistress : You will call me Mistress from now on
Slave : Yes, Mistress

Then the slave remembers to type out Mistress during his 30 minute roleplaying session he has once a day.

Thats pretty much about it.

Some people attempt to use the notion of "online training" in preparation for a real relationship, but once that real relationship begins, they are usually in for a surprise when reality sets in and their "online training" hasnt really modified the behavior of the submissive all too much.

But someone solely interested in "online training" is just looking for cyber most likely.




innatedesire -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 5:29:09 PM)

I use online only as a way to get to know someone; if the other person is only interested in a O/L  arrangement they are not seeking a  relationship, IMHO they are merely seeking a way to live out thier fantasies with minimal effort on thier part.  It works for some, but not for me.




openmindedslave -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 5:41:17 PM)

You see, the answers I have  had here so far pretty much follow my same thoughts. To role play...I can see that .To  interact with someone  to gather interest and some form of connection between somebody,... sure that makes sense..

Since no one responded who is involved with an online  training program, I was hoping to get some idea of just how involve it gets.In fact with so many  people demanding that  this is a requirement before a first meeting, I was woundering if anyone  really  advanced to meeting here or is it just another way for some to make money off others?




justheather -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 6:07:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

No, because how? Can they bring the Mistress their coffee online or cook them a steak? Short of doing Internet research or sending them money, they cant really provide a real service online.

This seems to convey a remarkably narrow definition of "service".
There are many ways of offering service to a dominant that do not involve directly serving him or her. For those who approach BDSM as a spiritual journey, this is abundantly clear. I have not read enough of your posts to glean whether your orientation toward WIITWD is not particularly spiritual, but for those of us who do approach it that way, doing something for a third party "for Daddy" can be as meaningful as sitting as his feet and performing a service in his presence.
For those of us who grew up in the Catholic faith, this would be something akin to offering up an act for the souls in purgatory...or simply offering up an act of service as a spiritual offering to God or Jesus. I would wager that most of the people who are performing such acts of devotion this very moment are not literally sitting at the feet of their heavenly father.


While my relationship with my Dom is r/t, we don't spend 24 hours a day together.
For example: Sometimes I go to work.

The time that I spend tending to my patients can be and often is as much an act of service to him as my preparing a meal, folding the laundry, rubbing his feet or researching auto insurance rates online.

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If by "online training", you mean a long distance relationship with the Internet as a medium, then the answer is still no. Even the most experienced submissives are going to have a hard time following the orders and rules of a dominant who's physical prescense isnt there.


I dont know about your girl, but my Daddy says I can do hard things.


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My prevois submissive lived in a neighboring city and came into town to stay with me and serve. Outside of that time, I have very little influence on her life, because I wasnt going to set myself up to fail or get frustrated when she wasnt doing what I wanted long distance.


And you're blaming this on the distance, as opposed to, say, her exercising her own will. Okay, fair enough. But just bear in mind that there could very well be a persuasive argument for the other obvious reason she didn't "do what you wanted" and that is that she chose to not do what you wanted.




MaryT -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 6:32:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: openmindedslave
Since no one responded who is involved with an online  training program, I was hoping to get some idea of just how involve it gets.In fact with so many  people demanding that  this is a requirement before a first meeting,


What people?  Maybe it's different for females, but I have never exchanged messages with a prospective male dominant who mentioned "online training."

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I was woundering if anyone  really  advanced to meeting here or is it just another way for some to make money off others?


Am I understanding correctly that people want you to pay them for providing you with online training?

MaryT




MadRabbit -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 6:39:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: justheather

This seems to convey a remarkably narrow definition of "service".
There are many ways of offering service to a dominant that do not involve directly serving him or her. For those who approach BDSM as a spiritual journey, this is abundantly clear. I have not read enough of your posts to glean whether your orientation toward WIITWD is not particularly spiritual, but for those of us who do approach it that way, doing something for a third party "for Daddy" can be as meaningful as sitting as his feet and performing a service in his presence.
For those of us who grew up in the Catholic faith, this would be something akin to offering up an act for the souls in purgatory...or simply offering up an act of service as a spiritual offering to God or Jesus. I would wager that most of the people who are performing such acts of devotion this very moment are not literally sitting at the feet of their heavenly father.


While my relationship with my Dom is r/t, we don't spend 24 hours a day together.
For example: Sometimes I go to work.

The time that I spend tending to my patients can be and often is as much an act of service to him as my preparing a meal, folding the laundry, rubbing his feet or researching auto insurance rates online.

 

 
Fair enough, but at the same time you are showing a remarkably broad definition of service. The definition I provided is a common one used by many people when viewing and defining service oriented submission. I have very spiritual beliefs, but I simply dont define every single act that my submissive does as a service to me. I prefer, for the sake of realism, to keep my definition of service based submission in the narrow definition of things she does for me and that I show deep gratitude is for. I know many people who view D/S and BDSM in spiritual ways, but you are the first to mention this philosophy. Neither philosophy is wrong, however.

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If by "online training", you mean a long distance relationship with the Internet as a medium, then the answer is still no. Even the most experienced submissives are going to have a hard time following the orders and rules of a dominant who's physical prescense isnt there.


I dont know about your girl, but my Daddy says I can do hard things.



You are argueing with me on a semantic level here so just gonna skip that one. 

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And you're blaming this on the distance, as opposed to, say, her exercising her own will. Okay, fair enough. But just bear in mind that there could very well be a persuasive argument for the other obvious reason she didn't "do what you wanted" and that is that she chose to not do what you wanted.



Perhaps if I was solely the one who wanted the long distance part, but this was something she stated she felt she needed. There was many factors involved though for the sake of fairness. While she had no problems following direction when I was physically present, the lack of that was a big contribution She was a bit scatter brained as well. And like you, she also works a job and goes to school and had quite a lot going on. Given the situation, it was best to drop something that was going anywhere.

I still firmly stand by my opinion that long distance is a pain in the ass and hard to pull off and maintain.




BalletBob -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 6:43:00 PM)

Hi Open. As you can see by most of the replies, except for JustHeather, almost all the people in Collarme, are flatly against anything to do with CYBER. For some, it is the only way we can do things, with the lack of Dommes and Doms in our area.

Training can be anything you both agree to. MADAM did some cyber, and some live. She trained me more cybering, than in rt. I then had Mistress Haley, who could only do Cyber, because of her time and location. She gave me instructions, and I folowed them. Some people say, why do what she says? Why not just tell her you done the things. I would be wasting my time, as well as hers. If it was RT, I would be just saying I done something. Cyber is just the only way for me for the time being.

As for making money Cybering? There are a ton of places for that, and I would NEVER PAY for it. If it wasn't fun for me and my Mistress, why bother doing it?

Against the grain, and Waiting patiently, Sub BalletBob




Noah -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 8:07:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

In my opinion, its purely fantasy.


And in my opinion, you don't exist.

Now can we please get a judge's opinion as to the winner of this Idiotic Claims contest?

This thing that is undertaken and deeply valued by very many people around the world each day, does not exist--in your opinion. Fascinating.

Where do you stand on other matters of opinion such as whether Nazi's killed Jews and whether eggs hatch?

It seems very clear that you attempted this and failed. That's fine. I presume you have a wide range of other gifts and talents, and other sorts of successes by the score.

As for me I might try to take up mountain climbing one day. If it turns out that I suck at it I won't see that as any reason to be embarrassed. If, on the other hand, I base upon my failure, public protestation to the effect that mountain climbing is purely fantasy, well then I think you may call me a very silly person.




Noah -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 8:12:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: countrygirl69

I think you need hands on or its just a game


So if your partner stands across the room from you, it is just a game?

It isn't that way for me.

What a wonderful variety of experience kink affords us.




fufured -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 8:19:28 PM)

i am currently in an online training situation and the discipline i am craving just isn't there.  i love my Master and He is planning on moving here which will change everything of course, but right now i feel like i'm in limbo pretty much coming and going as i please.  i don't feel like i am benefiting/learning/etc. from this right now though i will stay faithful to my Master until told otherwise.  :)




MadRabbit -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 8:30:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Noah

quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

In my opinion, its purely fantasy.


And in my opinion, you don't exist.

Now can we please get a judge's opinion as to the winner of this Idiotic Claims contest?

This thing that is undertaken and deeply valued by very many people around the world each day, does not exist--in your opinion. Fascinating.

Where do you stand on other matters of opinion such as whether Nazi's killed Jews and whether eggs hatch?

It seems very clear that you attempted this and failed. That's fine. I presume you have a wide range of other gifts and talents, and other sorts of successes by the score.

As for me I might try to take up mountain climbing one day. If it turns out that I suck at it I won't see that as any reason to be embarrassed. If, on the other hand, I base upon my failure, public protestation to the effect that mountain climbing is purely fantasy, well then I think you may call me a very silly person.



Fair enough.

I should have elaborated on the first post a bit more.

But however in my second one, I made two distinctions, one being online D/S and the other being the whole cyber/roleplaying aspect. My first post was geared more towards the second.

I'm not trying to get into the whole "Is Online D/S real?" debate. I said it was hard. I said I wasnt interested in it. I personally find it unfilling. Never said it wasnt possible.

But on the other spectrum, there is the "online training and online D/S" aspect which is basically just roleplaying and cyber. And that to me is purely fantasy.

I have talked to too many people online who take on a certain persona then when I meet them in the communities, they are nothing like it all. Submissives call and refer to people "Sir" and act incredibly humble in the message box and then when I meet them in the commuinity in person, they are like a completely different person and the word "Sir" never comes out of there mouth.

So creating this online persona that is absolutely nothing like the way you act and behavior in RL is fantasy to me.




justapeek -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 8:38:14 PM)

Online training has been a very valuable resource to me.
I met my Dom "by accident" in an innocent situation online. If i would have met him RT, i would have been intrigued, awed, and terrified. I would have ran a million miles a minute. I was still very much in denial about who i am and what i need. Because of my online relationship i've come to terms with that and embrace it.




feylin -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 8:46:15 PM)

Hi, openmindedslave:

I actually engaged in online training for about six or seven months and then another few months of me waffling because online was simply not enough anymore.  He is a beautiful, patient, sadistic, skillful, honorable man and we are still good friends after four years.  In a sense, he continues to be my mentor even though the label we use now is "friend."  Always just a click away when I need advice, friendly chat, or a shoulder.

Our meeting in a chatroom began rather oddly but it turned into this wonderful conversation that lasted for hours, weeks, months.  Lifestyle chat (I was brand new and he let me ask him anything) was mixed in with conversations about books, movies, art, music, family, friends, work, lives.  It was not a surprise when the time came to delve deeper because I was completely enamored with his mind and wanted to submit to him ~ it seemed a natural moment.

We agreed that for either of us to gain anything at all from this relationship we both had to be completely honest.  Because online does not allow for tone of voice or facial expression, this meant there had to be a lot more speaking/typing out emotions in greater detail.  For me, that proved to be valuable.  I would type something I had not even realized I was struggling with until my fingers just flew across the keyboard with it.  He did help me to look at myself more honestly and showed me things about myself....including the fact that I am a lot stronger than I or family and friends had assumed.  It was like he held a mirror up to me and said, "Take a good look." in so many different ways.  Not all of it was pretty to look at, but it was something I needed to examine and every experience -- good or bad -- was an excellent lesson for me.  (We also agreed to never meet.  Actually, there were quite a few expectations hammered out before training began.)

He was extremely patient with me as I struggled with this newfound desire/need and the first few months he spent giving me easy, fun, sexy tasks to build my confidence.  He encouraged me to explore and experiment physically, sexually, and emotionally.  Eventually, the tasks became tougher emotionally and physically and he was present with encouragement, advice, and sometimes a bit of a verbal shake.  His confidence in me never wavered.  That was personally very empowering.

It is not the same as serving someone a cup of coffee, to be able to display your submission at their feet, but what a rush when I was able to complete something that I was darn sure I did not have the intelligence, imagination, strength, courage to finish.  We spent the better part of two months working on my inability to beg ~ which I never realized I could not do.  I simply could not get the words out, no matter how hard he made the task, and I became upset and frustrated with myself and he would finally switch to humor and make me laugh to draw me back out of that dark place and then tried again another day until success!  How beautiful that first moment is when you feel complete trust with someone.

The way training would work is I would be given a task at the end of our chat and then have to email him the details of how/when/where I completed the task and what I was feeling/thinking at the time.   He responded promptly to every email and would often email his thoughts if we chatted about something that he wanted to expound on.   Our chats were also D/s oriented, but our conversations had not changed from the beginning ease only now there were more boundaries....or, actually, more freedom for me to be submissive without fear.

One of my favorite tasks was having to come home from work, kneel naked for 30 minutes and think about him and my submission to him.  At first it was horrible.  I felt like a petulant child as I struggled to be still for 30 minutes (without reading a book).  I was never able to meditate before (mind always racing) and I felt silly at first.  But, again, if this was going to work at all, I damn well had to give it my all, so I did it.  Each day became easier and more wonderful until I realized I was feeling very refreshed at the end of the 30 minutes.  It usually took me much longer to unwind from a job I hated at that time, and I began to look forward to the task and writing to him about my thoughts.  It was a calming, reassuring ritual that made me feel connected to him.  (Of course, it was also the first time I realized that I was getting old.  My knees hurt like a bitch.  Hardwood floors, didn't ask for a cushion, I got smarter. [:D]) 

We had a couple of grand arguments when I felt ready to end the online training and join some local groups.  I love him for worrying about my safety when he is so far away and I have yet to meet any person who even comes close to the committment, patience, kindness, and intelligence that he showed me.  And the humor! Oy, the man has a devious sense of humor.  Okay, now I'm just going on about him, but finding the physical offline is easy its that emotional connection that is so much more elusive.  What an absolute gift in my life, though.  As my friend, I love him and as my trainer, I am grateful beyond words.  He changed my life. 

I do not discount the joy of being touched emotionally even though I cannot envision my life without physical touch.  Physical expression is not something I am willing to give up despite the deep fulfillment that can be had when two people just touch minds.  I am greedy and want both. [:)]  That said, my online training was a safe, joyful experience. 

Best wishes,
Christine


edited so there might be less jokes about my grammar ~ a woman can hope.




proudsub -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 8:46:19 PM)

My first experience was with an online dom. I would say he "trained" me. Sure a lot of it was fantasy role playing and i found that a lot of fun at the time. He taught me a lot about the lifestyle and what was expected of a sub.  It also taught me a great deal about myself and what i needed to feel fulfilled. Although he gave me orders through instant messaging, i carried them out in real life and occassionally on cam. It was also my first experience with erotic pain through the use of clothes pins and now i crave that. We did this for 2 years until he released me so i could experience being submissive in real life. I do feel one can be dominated online in the right situation, but yes it is different than real life.




PAsextoy4u -> RE: Online training- Hows it going for you? (1/27/2007 8:50:04 PM)

I think that cybering gets a bad rap LOL  For some of us, its a starting place.  I was in my 40s before I considered fulfilling my submissive fantasies.  I never knew so many others had similar needs and urges until I got online.  I read as much as I could, I joined some groups, and started chatting.  Since I was not sure if it was something I wanted to try for real, in case it was just an amusing arousing fantasy LOL I was too scared to meet with people in person.  I didnt know how to start being active.

So I cybered.  I connected with a Dom in another state who was only able to do online things due to an illness.  Through chats and cyber scenes, I got to explore many things I would NEVER have considered in real life.  But after cybering about them for so long, when I was ready to do real time, I was much more open minded about trying different things.  Because he and I were both good writers, and we had quite a connection, it felt real.  We became friends, and I learned ALOT about myself through that relationship that started online, and became a long distance phone friendship.

I think that if both people are sincere and there is a connection, then an online relationship can be educational, helpful, supportive, and alot of fun! LOL  I was sincere, and I wanted to learn.  Cybering and that online relationship was a stepping stone for ME so that I could eventually get into a real time D/s relationship.  

For some it may be a game.  She can be saying "Yes Sir, Im kneeling for you" while she is watching TV and chating with 4 other people.  OR she may be actually experiencing what it feels like to kneel for someone for the very first time, even if he is not standing right there to see her.   They both know she is kneeling, and that can be a stepping stone for both of them.  Two sincere people can help each other and learn from each other.

Sure, we all want that in person, ideal relationship.  But when we all got online, we knew we would be connecting with people from all over the world.  Why limit our experiences and the opportunities to get to know more people.  Until we find "the one" why not try as many things as possible.

Online works best if both people have imagination, good commnunications skills, a sincere desire to explore with that other person, and a commitment to always be honest.  Some Doms and subs can "send" their energy to others and that can be done through an online connection.  When you feel that other person's energy, you know they are for real.  Someone real is typing and communicating with you.  It can be a wonderful experience! 




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