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Forced eating as punishment - 3/4/2005 6:05:24 PM

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After hearing about Lisa Welchel punishing her children with a spoonful of hot sauce, it made me wonder about punishment foods. What type of foods (or non food) has everyone been forced to eat as punishment?

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/4/2005 8:17:20 PM

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Sushi!!! It wasn't punishment, but the Owner is forcing me to try new foods or make me eat things he KNOWS I don't like. Ditto for alcohol.

I did have to eat peanut butter once as punishment. BLEGH!

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/4/2005 11:19:54 PM

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i hear hot suace is actually quite effective in punishment, and not nearly as damaging as other things could be.
i do not think Sir would make me eat out of punishment, but out of fear that i am not getting enough nurishment. :)
Vinegar, beer, and pepper jack cheese would be enough for me to get the hint. (i once ate pepper jack cheese by mistake--talk about a priceless look on my poor bf)

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/4/2005 11:35:10 PM

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This is something my Master has talked about with me. Whenever I do something wrong, something that He see's as a big no no, (this hasnt happened yet, but it's one of the punishments He has came up with for me), is to have me eat a fatty food and digest it. This is really bad for me, because in the past I have suffered from eating disorders and I often eat healthy foods... so fatty foods is a no for me. It might be harsh, but *shrugs* I think that it's a good punishment, because He is using my past knowledge and applying it to our relationship.

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/5/2005 5:47:10 AM

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(second try at posting this) If a master knows his property has had a physical or psychological issue and uses that as a punishment they need to leave the lifestyle, plain and simple. Once they threaten with abuse they are no longe trustworthy in my opinion. An eating disorder is not a game, it is a life and death situation. Calling themselves Master does not make them GOD. Our lifestyle is based on a set of protective guidelines which mirror society, death and dismemberment are TOTALLY unacceptable, and so is abuse that causes deep emotional wounding. I work with persons who suffer from various mental illness of which eating disorders are catagorized. When I hear of threats that harm in a way UNACCEPTABLE to our society and that of society in general I take a hard line stance.

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PS- It is not using your past experience but your past issue. Using an experience might be you fell off a horse and need to get back on. An eating disorder that is undercontrol should NEVER and I repeat NEVER be talked about as a means of punishment. Punishement is done to teach a lesson NOT to harm or scare someone. Too many so called masters need to learn what punishment is about.

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/5/2005 5:51:36 AM

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I am in complete agreement with you angelpet.

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/5/2005 5:56:09 AM

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I have never been punished with having to eat any type of food. This may be because none of my Dominants have had a fetish for vomit, which I would surely do. I once had a Dominant who made me take one bite of his rare T-bone steak. It was either take the bite or resign myself to eating round steak whenever we had steak as I would only eat steak if it was very well done....actually crispy. He said that He refused to ruin a good steak in that manner. Well, needless to say, after that one bite I now eat all my steak rare to medium rare and have never enjoyed it more.

If anyone would care to inform my Sir that chocolate is an effective punishment.....I would be forever grateful!!!!

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/5/2005 6:06:49 AM

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I need to make sure that I am not saying normal forced situations are bad. Just those situations where the dominant uses someone's REAL medical issue against them. I am diabetic & asthmatic so the things I do to stay healthy can't be compromised. Eating, drinking, toilet, and breathing are all areas that the person who controls me has to know what can or can't be done so I don't end up in an emergency room. Tight bondage for diabetics is a bad thing because the diabetes interfears with circulation, just to name one instance.
Those are NOT my limits. It is my reality. Limits are those things that for some reason a person puts in place. Like goldenshowers might make me puke since I have a weak stomach but won't actually harm me.

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/5/2005 8:15:15 AM

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I agree with you Angel in that putting someone in a compromised position in terms of health just for behavioral training is bad and unproductive.

That being said, anorexia and eating disorders are based on feelings of control, nothing much to do with the food itself. While I'm not sure I can say how good an idea it would be to use food associated in a negative way to promote behavioral change, I don't think it's automatically wrong.

One of my peeves in the scene is all the doms running around playing shrink to subs who have absolutely no reason to be doing so. Just because someone is a dominant doesn't make them any more insightful or understanding or able to cope with issues. In fact I find a great majority of doms have deep issues of their own with identifying and expressing their emotions.

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/5/2005 8:16:52 AM

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Wehh the number one thing I do when my husband, who is now living 24/7 as a female named Misty acts like a dog, is feed him like one.

Yep, I force him to prepare a great dinner for me, as he (she) is a very good cook. I might even have a guest over. When he serves us our dinner, I also serve him his, canned do food. Depending on my mood, I may have him sit at the table and eat it like regular food, or have him on all fours, eating out of a dog food bowl.

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/5/2005 2:16:09 PM

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dog food?

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Context is everything - 3/5/2005 5:27:28 PM

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quote:

It is not using your past experience but your past issue. Using an experience might be you fell off a horse and need to get back on. An eating disorder that is under control should NEVER and I repeat NEVER be talked about as a means of punishment.

sissy Is so glad You posted that, angelpet, because he would have done so if you hadn't. And you expressed it very well. One of the problems with BDSM and the SSC code is that one becomes so numb to some of the bizarre things that others in the community will allow to be done to them (things that make sissy go weak at the knees or protect his gonads in horror) that when you see something as tame as someone having to eat some fatty food as punishment there is a tendency to let it slip by. But CONTEXT is everything. Someone's Master may insist on driving six inch nails through their scrotum (sissy automatically crosses his legs at this juncture) but if he is a heavy pain maso into CBT and the act is done within the SCC guidelines, then as egregious as it may sound to others such as sissy, it's OK. But making someone with a food disorder eat pizza who shouldn't be eating pizza is a violation of SCC and anathema, despite the fact that for most of us it wouldn't be a punishment but a treat !

That Dieplztks would give their power to someone so irresponsible and doesn't think twice about the implications of what she posted is a little scary, to say the least. Unless, of course, she is a sock puppet ...

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RE: Context is everything - 3/5/2005 5:46:03 PM

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quote:

Context is everything

Ummmm....not trying to be rude or anything but I find it confusing when the name of a post gets changed in the middle of it. When you click on it under its new name you end up in the middle of the post not knowing exactly where you just landed. Not to mention that the OP might take offense that their post gets renamed. Just my opinion.

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RE: mb posting etiquette - 3/5/2005 9:20:07 PM

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Ummmm....not trying to be rude or anything but I find it confusing when the name of a post gets changed in the middle of it ... Not to mention that the OP might take offense that their post gets renamed.

Hi erin,

sissy Doesn't consider your post rude ... but please don't consider his response rude either, erin. You seem to be a little confused between the difference between a post and a thread. The thread has a name which it takes from the original post (OP) that started it. Every post on that thread also has an individual name, but each post takes as a default for that name the name of the previous post (the one it is posted against in the tree structure, that is, not the previous post chronologically).

sissy Did not change the name of the OP, nor any other post on the thread, as you claim. He merely gave his own post its own unique name. That is good (NOT bad) message board etiquette. It is very confusing when one reads a thread with 10 pages or more (200-300) of posts which ALL have the same default name. Try going back to such a thread to try and find a post you read on some particular point when all the posts are similarly named. However, if a month from now you wanted to revisit this encounter between us here, and this thread was now 20 pages long, you could still easily find it because you would remember it was in a sub-thread entitled "Context is everything."

The tacit rules for post naming are: if your post is on the same subject as the post you are posting it against, then leave the default name in place (already automatically prefixed with the "RE:"). But if you are introducing a new topic to the post that you are posting against, then give it a new name. sissy Felt he was introducing a new concept of "context" to the topic that he was posting against, hence a new name. If your post had added more information to the topic of "context" than sissy's then it should have been titled: "RE: context is everything." As it is, you should really have given your post a new name to go with its new subject matter, such as "posting etiquette." Those are the normal message board posting conventions.

Should you doubt the truth and logic of the foregoing, ask yourself this. According to your rules, introducing a post with a different name in the middle of a thread could be considered to be insulting to the poster of the OP. In that case, every post on a thread must take the same name as the thread (and OP) itself, and no one need ever name a post themselves (because the default post name will always carry through from the prior post right on back to the OP). So why is there an input box labeled "Subject" in the top left hand corner of dialogue window in which you input your post ? That box would be read-only instead of user inputable (sissy just made that word up <giggles>) if we were not supposed to name our own posts.

If everybody followed the rules, the tree structure of threads would look something as follows:

original post
..RE: original post
....RE: original post
......new thought for this subthread
........RE: new thought for this subthread
..........RE: new thought for this subthread
............RE: new thought for this subthread
..............a second new concept
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......RE: original post
..RE: original post
....RE: original post
..RE: original post

Now don't you think that is a little clearer and more useful than every post in the thread appearing the same ?

Take care.

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><; - 3/7/2005 9:49:11 PM

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Hrmm. Maybe I've not explained things well enough or something? I'm not sure. But to me, my Master doing that isnt abusive. The foods I view as fatty wouldnt actually cause me any physical harm or cause a trip to the hospital. He knows that it wouldnt hurt me. It would just cause me discomfort for a little while, because I would be worried about getting fat, which is ridiculous, considering my weight and the exercise I do.

Master isnt abusing me. He isnt harming me. Not letting me eat would be abusive, because that would make my health go down and cause a trip to the hospital.

He isnt in the wrong here.

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/8/2005 12:44:02 AM

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dog food?

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/8/2005 2:13:54 AM

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Hello hunni

You may want to discuss this with your Master.
Eating disorders are usually associated with mental illness. To use what you have mentioned above as a punishment is IMO a very risky and reckless suggestion.

Please do not feel I am criticizing your Master, but offering an example of what His action may do to you, something He may not of contemplated.

Mental and psychological illness is not something to abuse. The misuse of food as a punishment is dangerous.
A person wouldn't feed peanut butter to someone with a nut allergy, or milk to a lactose intollerant person, because it can put their life in danger. Eating disorders are akin to an allegy. A brain can use food against you, to the detriment to your health, both physically and mentally.

All I ask is you discuss this with your owner and maybe suggest he read up on eating disorders before deciding on an action that could cause you problems in the future.

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/8/2005 8:15:41 PM

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If I REALLY deserved punishment, I should be forced to eat a pint of either Ben and Jerry's Phish Food or Chunky Monkey. God that would be awful.

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RE: Forced eating as punishment - 3/11/2005 2:02:19 AM

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Would you be willing to give a few more details, namely the type of disorders. Also, is this punishment now part of your contract?

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ORIGINAL: Dieplztks

This is something my Master has talked about with me. Whenever I do something wrong, something that He see's as a big no no, (this hasnt happened yet, but it's one of the punishments He has came up with for me), is to have me eat a fatty food and digest it. This is really bad for me, because in the past I have suffered from eating disorders and I often eat healthy foods... so fatty foods is a no for me. It might be harsh, but *shrugs* I think that it's a good punishment, because He is using my past knowledge and applying it to our relationship.

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