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Casting spells - 1/29/2007 10:37:35 PM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		On the Tyra Banks show tonight they are talking about casting spells.  It was hard to catch, but I think they are talking about Wicca.  Talk about the most ridiculous line of shit I have ever heard.  They are talking about sending "magical bitch slaps" to those that harm their family and stuff.  What a giant crock.  Ever since 1954 I guess.

Do any of you believe in any of this garbage?  I do believe in the supernatural, but I also believe Wiccans have about as much "magical power" as people have fortune teller capabilities.  I truly think the only "power" they have is in their heads.  But, if it gives them something to do on a Saturday night, power to them..  I do not mind laughing at them.  They look so stupid sitting up there bragging about their "powers".  HAH!!!  lol 

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RE: Casting spells - 1/29/2007 10:44:03 PM   
Rule


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Status: offline 		It is simply a rather elaborate way to communicate with the Divine. Spirituality is all in the mind, so all that is really needed is a focussing of our desires - as in a prayer. All other parafernalia are not really necessary, though they may help at focussing. The bad part is that dark magic is ultimately self-destructive. It is better to wish other people the best.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/29/2007 10:50:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wicca like medicine has its first rule of " to do no harm"  even if you don't believe or do believe I think that this rule is one of the best.
 
If more things started with that line as their first rule the world might be a more friendly place to live.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/29/2007 10:58:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I hear what you are saying.  The lady on here right now is talking about black magic.  She was a "white witch" first, now a "dark witch".  Oooooooookk.  Sure.  Whatever tickles her clitty I guess.

I mean, I have no objections with anyone communicating with a higher power in a way they deem fit, but to pretend and make raucous, bullshit claims that they can cast spells and harm people?  Ok, get over yourself.  You found a way that alleviates the most guilt.  That is cool.  But for pete's sake do not go make a fool of yourself on national TV  (and the same can be said for those of any religion...  Fred Phelps immediately comes to mind).

The other guests she had are Satan worshippers..  Now let me get this straight.  They are anti-religion, do not believe in God, but they believe in and worship Satan, a product of religion?  Did I miss something here?

And this girl now..  She thinks she is a goddess.  Ho-lee-shit.  Unbelievable.  No egocentricity there.  More about casting spells..  Ooga booga.

It is a very interesting show though, but mostly because it gives me something to laugh at more than anything.  I think these people have watched one too many movies.

If they said that they were reading incantonations to communicate with the spiritual realm I could buy that.  But casting magic spells?  Back away from the crack.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/29/2007 11:16:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, lol look at the program you are watching.  I do not watch her nor do I give my time to O or Dr Phil.  I do not watch programs like American Idol or Survivor.  I would rather read if given those choices.  I spend more time on History or Discovery.  I would rather find out the history of Christianity and the usage of Wicca rituals to make the feudal folk happy with the changes.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/29/2007 11:24:29 PM   
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The other guests she had are Satan worshippers..  Now let me get this straight.  They are anti-religion, do not believe in God, but they believe in and worship Satan, a product of religion?  Did I miss something here?
Satan is himself one of the primary gods, an incarnation in our universe of an aspect of the Divine. In fact he has the best connection to the Divine. The sad fact is that Satan cannot accept the existence of the Divine, nor does he recognize that the Creator is a god that is superior to him. Incongruously, Satan does desire to be worshipped himself.

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And this girl now..  She thinks she is a goddess.  Ho-lee-shit.  Unbelievable.  No egocentricity there.  More about casting spells..  Ooga booga.
There are many incarnations of the gods among us. Whether that girl meets the criteria I do not know.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/29/2007 11:33:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm.  I will believe that someone can be a god/dess when I see it.  More hooey in their head as far as I can tell.  Not even Jesus was a god.  I think these people have an egocentricity complex.  Humility would seem to me to be a key characteristic of being a god/dess and somehow I do not think that going on national tv or in a forum and proclaiming your status is demonstrative of humility.

As for Satan being a god, he was never a god.  According to religion he was an angel that fell from grace.  And seeing as how he is a product of religion, you can not have one without the other, right?

I am not entirely sure about what kind of magical powers you can grant yourself if you sell your soul to Satan, but they really did not touch on that tonight.  That I would have been interested in hearing.  In specific, to see specific examples of such.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 5:54:06 AM   
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As for Satan being a god, he was never a god. According to religion he was an angel that fell from grace. And seeing as how he is a product of religion, you can not have one without the other, right?



It depends on what religion you are looking at. I'm a bit rusty on the exact words, but I'm fairly certain that the christians took the word "Satan" from the gods of other religions, like "Shaitan" from the Persians, and "Satyr" from the Greek. I mean, look at how they depict "Satan". A man with goat legs, a tail, and horns... Hmmm.. sounds almost exactly like Pan from Greek religion, doesnt it?

Satanist as a religion, I believe, do not actually worship the Satan of Christian mythology. Its more of a self-worship if I rememver correctly. The trappings around it are more for shock value than anything else. There are, of course, Satanist zealots who really do believe they have sold their souls to the devil, but frankly there are people who believe the wine in Catholic Mass really turns into blood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

Also, the people you are talking about don't sound like Wiccans. They sound like people who have jumped on the "its trendy" bandwagon of spell casting. I've seen books at Borders that espouse "spell casting" with no mention of Wicca whatsoever. Both the worst problem and the best part about Wicca is that its become a very freestyle, (hmm.. much like WIITWD...) and people take what things out of it that they like and leave the rest.

I would venture to say that somone who was actually following the path of Wicca would never send out a curse, since they often believe that everything you do is reflected back on you three times over. Also the main tenet is "An ye harm none, do as ye will." Cursing someone else, whether they deserve it or not, certainly counts as harm in my book.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 6:21:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know several people who practice wicca.  None of them cast spells.  They believe along the same lines as the average christian.
Most have grown up church going people and still do go to their old churches from time to time.
They just practice wicca as well.
They don't cast spells, nor are they witches.  You really should do a little research on them.  The lifestyle is riddled with wiccans.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 7:34:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find Wicca no more worthy of ridicule than Christianity. I mean Christians believe that some dude 2000 years ago was born of a virgin, died, and came back to life again. Talk about your "super powers". Now I am not saying it did not happen, but I see it no more outrageous to think this is true or that Wicca is true... just my opinion...

I love the Eastern religions personally, but I think all religions have something valuable to offer. And I stick up for Christianity when it is attacked too.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 7:45:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do beleive there is a degree of an extra sense- verying.  As for casting spells- I seen a buddy of mine attempt this sort of thing- in his case, his zaps came with unintended consequences. for instance -he got someone he did not like fired, then she got a higher ranking job!!

He tried to do this to someone else- I know pretty much about that person and I told him not to. well it did not work.

His malicious ways backfire. he is 50 yrs old and still hasnt figured that out.

When his lover left him- all kinds of stuff "happened".  what did it solve? nothing.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 7:50:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, the whole thing makes no sense at all.  It did not leave me any more knowledgeable, that is for sure.  I guess I will do more research on my own out of curiosity's sake.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 8:12:55 AM   
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Yeah, the whole thing makes no sense at all.  It did not leave me any more knowledgeable, that is for sure.  I guess I will do more research on my own out of curiosity's sake.


He has a buddy in Harrisburg- that is a pro. He has told me stuff "john doe" did. Stuff I cant post on a message board.  The guy in hb ought to be in prison!

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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 8:17:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		you know, it would be really nice if people would actually research things Before they disparage them in public. i mean i personally would take anything learned from a talk show with about a pound of salt. now, let's take things one at a time, shall we?

wicca is a relatively new religion, however goddess and nature worship is not. goddess worship was around long before the christians. as was previously stated by Lorelei, the Wiccan Rede states : an it harm none, do as ye will.  however she failed to mention a little something called the threefold law, which basically means that anything you do comes back to you threefold; whether it's 3 times as good or bad as whatever you did, or three seperate incidents doesn't matter, what matters is that it Will come back on you. now bearing that in mind do you really think any intelligent, reasonable human being would try to do anything but good? and don't forget that wiccans are considered the fluffy bunnies of the pagan religions.
as for satanists, well i've talked to one or two online and they seemed like perfectly nice people. the big thing about satanism is that it's more about self than about spirit. the wiccan rede may be if it harms none, do as you will then the satanists rede - if they had such a thing - would be do as you will. now as for satan himself, Rule was on the right track. the trouble is that he was confusing satan with lucifer who was an italian god of light. satan is essentially the boogieman. the early christians took pan, added neptune's trident and called him satan. this was done to gain converts, as was the takeover of most of the major pagan holidays. (pagan by the way, originally meant country dweller) as for this female who claimed to be a goddess, well, i don't buy that anymore than you do. i'd want to know which goddess she was and then i'd want proof, i think bringing the dead back to life Might convince me.
well thanks for listening to my rant.
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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 8:39:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting post people, well i've always had an interest in the occult, paranormal, history of 'the devil', witch craft, chaos magic, demonology and the unexplained, some great points here and yes I fully agree before people start thinking it's a good thing to have a chat show about something the know nothing of they ought to think about the reprocussions and perhaps do a little research and NOT off the internet! It too makes my blood boil when you get some attention seeking T.V. star wannabes who get themselves on T.V. chat shows and just skate over these subjects and ask such stupid questions like 'do you have powers, if so what can you do, can you make my pencil move?', 'I once did a spell and you know what? two weeks later my friend had a cold!'. The danger effect of these shows is young people in particular 'get into the scene' and start dabbling with things they can't really understand also they hang around with psychic predators who prey on the impressionability of these young people. It's great to research but never ever close your mind. Anyways I thought Tyra banks used to be a 'super model' what the hell is she doing trying to have deep conversations?!     

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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 8:42:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		  the word Satan as a term for the devil  evolved out of the hebrew word satan meaning advosary. ( acording to the book  "the devil a visual guide to the demonic, evil,scurrilous and bad."  by genevieve and tom morgan)    just thought i would site my source.  and acording to the satanic bible witch i have a copy of  somewhers lol   satanist are not worshiping the devil they worship themselves as the only being  that matters in there universe. witch is totaly selfcentered  but also  very honest.  they use the term satanist  because they feel they are the advosaries of everything the christian and in paticular catholic faith beleives. for instance    the seven deadly  sins  ( sloth vanity glutony to name the few I can remeber)  the catholics believe theas will send u straght to hell  bu t the satanist beleive that theas traits the catholics call sinfull are actualy benifical and self banlancing to humanity.  also  alot of the satanists  I have met have believed in spell casting   useing it as a means to rid themselves of  emtions that are harmfull to them  such as excess anger  or lust.   they use the emtiotion energy in the spell work  and cast it toward the person,    if something comes of it great if not  oh well  at least the emtion was relased.  and spell casting  is as old as  fire,    and really shoulden be disparged,  admatedly  not everyone can talk about it with out sounding like a fool  but it has its place and purpose in the human phsyche.     Oh yeah  And acording to the majority of the christian faiths   though possably not the one u were raised with Jesus was BOTH toatly human and totaly devine

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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 8:45:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I personally did see the show, and wasn't happy about it at all.  I am both wiccan and Christian, I have found a way to make the two come together in a way that fits me and answers a lot of my questions about things.
 
I have learned in life, not only in wicca, but as a Christian, that what I put out comes back to me, in the case of wicca..by three-fold.  I found the way I have learned about it and all I have studied, that its more on me to live in harmony with people and things around me.. not to cause harm, to give back good. 
 
I heard the ones talking about putting curses on people, that to me just means they are putting out negative energy toward them, in which case, I would think they would get it back and are aware of that being a result.  I believe that one of them even said that before she was cut off, that she would weigh how it would benefit versus how it would come back at her.
 
I don't use my altar to cast spells, I use it to meditate and focus my energy on communicating with God.  I don't believe I have any special powers over anyone else.  I think we all have the the power to direct focus on things to make them happen.  When I light a candle of a certain color for a certain thing, I know it won't make it happen just because its the color..it happens more because I have my energy focused, pray, and put the positive flow into the result.
 
The show to me seemed more like so many, just for ratings and things like that.  I have read a lot of books and searched my heart and soul a lot to find this was how I felt about things.  There are many that are in it just because it seems cool, or its popular on television.  It's not for me or anyone else to judge who they are though. 
 
There are extremes in every religion, and I have found that wicca is not isolated from that outcome. 
 
Drea
 
PS.. On the comment about being a Goddess.. I don't think that any woman is a Goddess, anymore than men are all Gods.  We all have our creator in us...we are made in the image (s)..but that is how I use the context.
 
Also.. my  name on here has nothing to do with that... read my profile if you are curious..

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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 9:06:16 AM   
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PS.. On the comment about being a Goddess.. I don't think that any woman is a Goddess, anymore than men are all Gods.  We all have our creator in us...we are made in the image (s)..but that is how I use the context. 
 

 
I love this comment, thank you... I am a creator, just as we are all... if we are made in the image of the creator, that means we are creators too. I am a goddess, surrounded by fellow gods and goddesses. If we were really aware of just how powerful we are (myself included) we would be so much better off as a species... even Jesus stated this a few times over.

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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 9:51:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, excuse me. I did not see this show, in fact, I really do not watch alot of TV.  My understanding is the show is some sort of beauty contast/how to be a super model show, so what does all that have to do with Wicca?   Is it ratings season again or they just run out of things to talk about?
 
I wish you well
 
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RE: Casting spells - 1/30/2007 9:54:31 AM   
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Is it ratings season again or they just run out of things to talk about?



I think you hit the nail right on the head there, my friend.

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