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My faults - 1/30/2007 10:01:18 PM   
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First of all I apologize to medical reseachers. In a post recently I slighted medical researchers, not berate in any way, but the comment was uncomplimentary.

I should have expressed myself better then that. The people who work at these facilities do, for the most part, want to help people. It is an added bonus that they actually get to make good money due to their technical knowledge. I enjoy the same privlage in my field.

The problem I have with medical research is the direction it is taking. They are always looking for things after the fact, prevention is to be avoided. If you work in medical research they might say "Find out if the anthrocites outnumber the systocites after the injection of this stuff we got here". Even with the best inantions I believe this to be the wrong way to spend the money.

If you rebuild a car engine that has locked up, the first thing you look at is the oil pump. Similarly the preson's past has to be eveluated, at the very least. With technology moving forward so fast, it is hard to find an eddy current to relax in. They are adamant and persistent. They want to know how addictive their new drug is and if it works at all. The employees must do what they are told, by people who charge Americans alot mor for drugs. As if we have to do the research for the whole world, even now when we do not have the best universities anymore and our primary education system is collapsing.

I have been told that I speak authoritatively when I should not. I can accept that and possibly have not thrown out enough caveats. I am not a doctor nor do I purport to be.

Thing is I think I am taken wrong sometimes, and at times I might be wrong. The Pasteur subject comes to mind. I KNOW I read this, but where ? It is really hard to remember excatly where everything came from. The fact that Pasteur had many strokes has no relation to the number of knifes in his chest at the time of death. It is hard to find anything on this, I therefore no longer purport it as fact.

At this point, I will retract that. If I find anything I'll let you know. But I will say this, I have totally ignored the idea of bacteria for almost a decade. I got cut all the way to the bone and sent people to get bandaids. My flesh was hanging out.

Anyone else would've called an ambulance, and that brings up my next point.

I am very different than most people, first and foremost is that I will never ask for help. I don't even like to type the word. I have been through alot, and alot of it I have caused. I have healed miraculously from all this. I can again climb a hill, something which I couldn't do a while back, and also get back down, which strazngely was harder.

I almost completely shunned medical research, but I changed my way of thinking and eating, Almost overnight.

After a few weeks my neck, back and knees were healed. I never saw a doctor.

I ABSOLUTELY refuse any type of painkiller. In my view those are to be used when you feel good, to get high. As I walked into the hospital (I insisted, that is I simply got up off the gurney) I also insisted that I be given no sedatives. No pain killers and no sedatives, that was my order. All they gave me was saline and I was out of there in five days. And that is after being shot in the face, about an inch under the left eye, with a .380.

Now I am starting to realize that I might not be exactly like other people. As such you must be careful with any medical advice I give. The fact that nutrition is the cause remains, but correcting that probably won't cure it. It is too late.

In a family of Men, only two have ever cried to my knowledge, my Uncle and cousin, because my other cousin was dead at 33. Father and brother could not quite handle it.

I am a bit different I know, but what caused this. That is what I am into researching now. Mainly I am into my past, but would like to encourage others to go that direction. I agree that you can't undo things, but knowing the root cause goes a long way in finding a solution.

That is the point, if researchers did a mineral scan and endocrinoligical scan of patients the result would be interesting indeed. Even if doctors did it, and tailored a responsive and effective treatment plan, it would be great.

But we are all cut out of a cookie cutter and I guess if something kills me that benefits someone else, well, I just belong dead. I am the defective one.

So for now I will retract the Pasteurs tatement until I get something solid. Granted you would read in history books one thing, but this was something else. IIRC they had to dig up his grave a while back and found a knife in him. I may also have Pasteur confused with someone else as well. The lack of evidence proves nothing but that I do not know. It will come to me.

Even if Pasteur never recanted, and someone else put forth the subsequent theory, it should be interesting. If researchers actually got down to this, I think it might be VERY interesting. Look before the fact. Avoid post hoc ergo propter hoc, keep it clean. Do not jump to conclusions. This would be good.

Not happening though. Reason ? Use your own reason.

Now for politics. I believe that JFK was assainated by a dupe of the Mossad. This was because of public documents. What is purported to be a transcript, or an actual copy of a letter but might not be. So let's dispense with that.

JFK is on record as wanting Israel to abandon it's nuclear program. JFK got killed. LBJ (I think) his siccessor reversed this policy so fast it would make your head spin. It is said that JFK threatened to cut off all aid, but that is not substantiated, the former is, by public records of the UN. I think.

Actually you never know anything unless you are a fly on the wall. Even a well known TV news anchor is quoted as saying "I don't know of anyone who could keep this so secret for so long as the Mossad". May have been Dan Rather, and that is not an exact quote, need the words ? That I know I can get that.

Things I believe and do not are my business, as are yours, and some of them I put on the table. If anyone y'all would be the ones to point out an error, to say the least.

But recently, while not accused, it was alluded to that I was almost giving medical advice. I am in no position to do so, and I want everyone to know right now, that even if my advice is right for me, and I am really correct, it might not be right for someone else.

When I was young I abused myself really badly. I should be dead. I awoke from my childhood with bad knees, a bad back and loose teeth. What I did after WORKED.

My family's stoicity was not the only factor. They were tough in the true sense of the word. I am not saying they could kick someone's ass or anything like that, they had an inner strength. My Grandfather walked from one end of this country to the other and back. WALKED, not cycled, drove, flew, walked. He got odd jobs, to make to the next town, like that. It was easier back then in view of the immigration laws now, but he was first generation on this soil. I guess he wanted to see it all.

His Father, the Polack, had decided to buld a life here, he built his own house (worth some bux now) and was not only a carpenter, mason and I guess an engineer if he did all that, he was also a musician and a poet.

I am not blowing my horn here. I could never fill this Man's shoes. I have designed and built a few electronic circuits, I have done some kickass work on houses, I mean I was involved with building the  kitchen in the home of Colin Powell's personal chef. Talk about demanding. I like demanding, and I love perfectionists. Being able to satisfy them is rewarding to me.

OK, I did start blowing my horn here, but I am stopping.

I could never hope to match my ancestors' desire, perseverence or bravery. I have certian accomplishments of my own, but they are not coming close. Perhaps it is something they would like to see, but building an electronic device is not the same. That endevor lacks the risk.

I think that through the generations we have been effectively watered down.

So concentrate ! I am trying, but I don't know how well it is working.

T
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RE: My faults - 1/31/2007 1:17:02 AM   
Rule


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Last week I started to work on my book about chronic diseases again. I hope to know how long it will occupy me in another month.
 
My mother a couple of years ago was in relatively fine shape and at no risk of osteoporosis or any other malfunctions. My sister was afraid that she would get osteoporosis and gave her daily calcium supplements. Ever since her health has been like an avalance going down the mountain. Medication, medication, medication to deal with ever new problems. Now she has been getting peeing tablets for more than a year and she is literally peeing her skeleton out. Osteoporosis is a fact, she is shrinking to dwarf size because of the decalcification. Any day she may spontaneously break a bone or a rib, simply while lying in bed asleep, I expect.
If I am desperate because of all her medical problems and all the medications she is taking, then imagine how she must feel, having no control at all any more about her health and forced to take all those pills because she has no alternative.
 
My advice: do not take any medication nor any supplements of whatever if you do not absolutely have to. Never take any calcium supplements, never take those peeing tablets.
 
Any visit to a physician is in itself a health risk. Physicians cause and maintain and support diseases: iatrogenic diseases. See what happened and is happening to my mom.
 
I take vitamin C and infrequently a multivitamin tablet, but my excuse is that I do not have a normal diet and vitamin C usually will not harm anyone.
 
Me, if I cannot take it anymore, I will go for a long distance swim in the North Sea.

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RE: My faults - 1/31/2007 1:22:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		so yes, iatrogenic diseases do exist and can be a huge problem. but you can't general and say never take calcium supplements, for some people they work wonders. like wise, physicians save lots of lives, and can reduce the amount of meds you are taking, or reduce the number of health problems you have. for some ppl, your advice would be dead on, for other ppl, it would be fatal.
medicine is an art, not a science, as much as we'd wish it to be. and nothing is black and white.

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RE: My faults - 1/31/2007 4:29:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

My advice: do not take any medication nor any supplements of whatever if you do not absolutely have to. Never take any calcium supplements, never take those peeing tablets.


I do agree on not taking any medication you do not have to. Yet there are many whom without medication would cease to be functional. Myself included.
 
 I have RA, and while i pass on most of the meds offered, only use painkillers extremely rarely (3 or 4 times a year) when i must and manage most of the disease on my own, without those daily mega doses of anti inflammatory i have used since i was 17 i would be a bed bound cripple. 
 
With them i live a normal life. 
 
As to the pills to stimulate kidney function, ever heard of congestive heart failure? I was a hospice RN for 18 years, there were so many folks who would have died without daily doses of Lasix than you would care to think about.
 
Calcium supplements save literally thousands of broken bones for our seniors daily.
 
Beware giving out advice like this unless you are a medical professional and ready to explain to someone's child that granny died because she read some where that she should not be taking her Lasix. Or that grandpa cannot play catch any more because he broke his hip.

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RE: My faults - 1/31/2007 5:51:59 AM   
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I am one of the participants in the " other thread" and one of the medical practioners. I took no offense to what you said about the medical world, and agree with you to some degree about it. A few things you said alarmed me, such as inferring that not keeping cuts or wounds clean would not effect the healing/infectious process if you eat correctly. As I said, you have every right to do that, but to suggest to others that this is sound practice is erroneous, IMO. Your use of Pastuer's germ theory to support abandoning any medical treatment is obtuse, at best, IMO. And that Natural medicine cannot be used in conjunction with chemotherapy, it absolutly can be. One must do the proper research and consult the PDR of natural medicine at minimum. Taking natural remedies can be dangerous if you don't know what you are doing. Even Eastern Practioners will agree with me here.  
 
My point in that thread, perhaps poorly stated, was that * I * believe that some one with an illness/disease is entitled to all options available to them. Including ones such as yours and even accepting none of the options and letting nature take it's course. And once they have beed * educated* the decision is theirs to make.
I don't believe in trying to sway or direct  someone's decision to coincide with what I think my decision would be. I used myself as an example to back the fact that in my case, I would have died without the Westerm medications < no question about that > and that I also incorporated, diet and natural medicine to boost/assist the efficacy of the medicines and my own bodies reponse to the malfunctioning that happened.
 
Altho I am a medical pratitioner, I just would not advise anyone that treatment X or option Z was the absolute way to go. I encourage my patients to look at everything they have available to them and then support whatever decision they make, whether I believe it is a solid decision or not. I am one of those nurses who try to empower my patients and allow them to control their own bodies. As I tell my patients: This is your death, you are the one in control and I am just here to guide and help you thru it. < am a hospice nurse>
 
I try not to give absolute medical advice on any  MB or in person. That is just me.
 
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RE: My faults - 1/31/2007 9:13:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
 I have RA, and while i pass on most of the meds offered, only use painkillers extremely rarely (3 or 4 times a year) when i must and manage most of the disease on my own, without those daily mega doses of anti inflammatory i have used since i was 17 i would be a bed bound cripple.
Learn Dutch. Read the chapter that I wrote about arthritis in my book to be. It may be of no use to you, as RA has many causes, but then again, perhaps you will benefit from it.
 
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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
Calcium supplements save literally thousands of broken bones for our seniors daily. 
I have written a long chapter about osteoporosis in my book to be about chronic diseases. My mom was not at any risk of osteoporosis and broken bones. I was not enamoured of her taking calcium supplements, but I thought "What is the harm? Let's wait and see." Well, now I know or at least suspect - and my suspicions usually are very much on the mark.
 
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As to the pills to stimulate kidney function, ever heard of congestive heart failure? I was a hospice RN for 18 years, there were so many folks who would have died without daily doses of Lasix than you would care to think about.

My mom did get serious heart problems and it is the reason she is taking those pills that make her pee out her skeleton. Why did she get heart problems and all that followed subsequently? Because an excessive level of calcium ions in your system will cause your heart muscles to powerfully contract, causing heavy damage to the heart itself - it is analogous to slamming your head into a concrete wall again and again.

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
Beware giving out advice like this unless you are a medical professional and ready to explain to someone's child that granny died because she read some where that she should not be taking her Lasix. Or that grandpa cannot play catch any more because he broke his hip.

It cannot possibly do more harm than medical professionals themselves cause every day. Anyway, I did say to take medication if one absolutely needs to do so.

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RE: My faults - 1/31/2007 3:39:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't mean to blow off your responses, actually I am not. But an interesting discussiion ensued today at the kitchen table. This involved Trudeau's books.

Now, in this thread, calcium has been brought up. OK, take your calcium supps, go right ahead. but do you think your bones ar made of cazlcium and water or what ? There are companion minerals. If you have severe mineral deficiencies of other types those calcium supplements, no matter what form they are in might not be absorbed and metabolised properly.

That leads to kidney stones and stuff like that. Just like the sodium in table say is unusable by the body due to the presence of the dessicant, calcium does not work alone. You need the proper balance of minerals, and of they are all in the proper form you just excrete the excess. But you can't excrete nor absorb what is not there.

I'm told that Trudeau's book says alot of things I say. It goes further and there are a few things I do not agree with, but who is this guy anyway ? He made millions selling books. He also made millions in a deal the SEC didn't approve of a few years ago. Was he a target because he was exposing things they want kept quiet ?

Regardless, as my friend told my Dad at the kitchen table today, does that mean it is all bullshit ? I am going to read it as soon as he is done. I have read D'Adamo's book and with a grain of salt dismissed some of his theories. I suspect this will be the same.

Proven fact, you can have all the chromium in your body you can possibly have, but without vanadium, you WILL become diabetic. With all the calcium in the world, if you don't get the magnesium and a few other minerals you will still lose your teeth and get osteoporosis. Without sufficient sulphur, in the proper form, you will have gall bladder problems.

A car requires gas to run, but what else ? Oil, coolant, tranny fluid or grease, and in one old high performance luxury car from a long time ago, this red substance in the carb. I was very surprised to find that out.

Thatis how I think it is with people. When born you have sapped the minerals out of Mom's blood, to the point where she was temporarily diabetic ! This is common, why ? On the wild frontier many decades ago, did they have insulin ?

Man was meant to be nomadic, and migrate not only with the seasons, when he saw the health of the people around deteriorating. It was time to move on.

Once Mankind ceased to be nomadic, salt became very important, in fact it was used as money and that is the root of the English word 'salary'. The salt kept them alive on played out land. When you have cattle or any livestock that is not doing that well, you get them a salt lick. This is not table salt, and in fact is what we should be using.

Why I started this thread is that I cannot go back ten years in research and bring up quotes and cites. It would take too long. But the body of knowledge, and how it all fits together is my point.

Is anyone here a veterinarian or an anim,al husbandy professional ? If so I would like tro discuss how you treat things.

Vets cured ulcers in pigs, and doctors started doing it exactly the same way about 20 years later. Exactly the same way. Pigs' mpancreas' provide insulin for diabetics. Pigs used to get diabetic, but they cured that how many years ago ? Instead of applying the same treatment to humans, they built a multimillion dollar industry selling insulin.

I say this much, Wallach was right, we made a big big mistake making doctors rich. BIG !

The reason they can get insulin from pigs is because they are given the proper minerasl supplement. On a side note, I imagine there are no Jewish or Moslem diabetics. If you can't even eat pork how can you inject a pork product into your body ? Do they just die or what ? Or do they know how to prevent it and they just don't tell ?

With the sex driven fucking perverts we have in congress, how come not one of them has aids or any std ? When GHW Bush had polyps removed it was big news, I guess people wanted a President who could spell potato.

See, I have found that once you get an answer to a question, it brings up more questions. Always.

T

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RE: My faults - 1/31/2007 4:19:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
With the sex driven fucking perverts we have in congress, how come not one of them has aids or any std?
Perhaps they have access to medication provided exclusively to the upper class of those in power?

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RE: My faults - 1/31/2007 5:04:17 PM   
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Vets cured ulcers in pigs, and doctors started doing it exactly the same way about 20 years later. Exactly the same way. Pigs' mpancreas' provide insulin for diabetics. Pigs used to get diabetic, but they cured that how many years ago ? Instead of applying the same treatment to humans, they built a multimillion dollar industry selling insulin.
 
By the same token, Digitalis/digoxin/Lanoxin was not used in humans for many many years because it killed dogs in it's research years. Now it saves millions of people lives every day.  Thalidimide, which was quite successful in animal trials, caused hideous birth defects in humans. Vivisection has not given us any great advancements, IMO.

I say this much, Wallach was right, we made a big big mistake making doctors rich. BIG !

The reason they can get insulin from pigs is because they are given the proper minerasl supplement. On a side note, I imagine there are no Jewish or Moslem diabetics. If you can't even eat pork how can you inject a pork product into your body ? Do they just die or what ? Or do they know how to prevent it and they just don't tell ?

Of course there are Muslim and Jewish diabetics !  Both religions allow for lifting of dietary restrictions in the case of saving human life. Example: an old and ill person does not have to fast on holidays that require fasting. Besides Insulin was also derived from bovine sources. Nowadays it is derived from human cells. ie: Humulin Insulin.  It has been a very very long time since I have used or known a diabetic using pork derived insulin.

T


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RE: My faults - 1/31/2007 10:03:41 PM   
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Human derived insulin ? that's what the non-diabetic among us have, in the proper amount. How are they getting it ? While they may have found a way to simply produce it, you said human derived. Human cells.

Just where do they come from ?

So now they can keep this pancreatic tissue alive in a lab but not a human body. It really does boil down to that. What do you suppose they feed it ? It survives as the pancreatic cells in the actual humans fail.

And I will say I do not blame it on "them". They cannot make a person eat right and nourish his or her body and give up all food vices. I acknoledge that fully.

I also realize that in veterinary medicine, people are in control of the animal's environment. This can be important.

I have a buddy who has a chocolate lab, and he follows the vet's instructions to the letter. The dog gets no table scraps, but is allowed veggie garbage, like the core of a head of cabbage or the big stem of brocolli. The dog is doing fine. They measure his food precisely. They were warned that if a dog like this does not run about 20 miles a day you have to feed him less.

I think alot can be learned from people who make their money keeping their patients healthy. Now if we humans could practice on ourselves what we would practice on our pets or cattle, wouldn't it be simpler ?

Another buddy of mine, not even 40 yet and has had two heart attacks. It's a miracle he is alive, at least by the numbers. But i'll bet that one of the first things he ate when he got out of the hospiotal was a double bacon cheesburger and super size fries, probably from McDs.

Even if you are the best naturopath, and an MD and an ex-vet, how can you fight that ?

Comes back to one of my theories. Mother of a buddy "I'd rather die than not be able to eat my Cambells soup" , well she is dead now. And it wasn't pretty, she died a diabetic's death. She could not change, and that statement expressed it. "I would rather die", and that is how some people hold flavor. Food flavor I mean.

Eating is almost an emotional experience for them.

This, like anything else is rooted in their past. A Parent loves and feeds their young, so I can see where the two get mixed up sometimes.

So with people eating for pleasure instead of susteneance, what do you think will happen ?

I have removed this from the equation, I ate eggs and cabbage today. Been a bit irregular and I changed what I am eating. Tried something, hell I haven't eaten eggs in almost a year ! Well a year ago I was fine, this type of empirical logic guides me.

I have found my taste buds less influential in my choices of what to eat. I think it through, what do I need ? Then I hopefully find paletable things that will supply me with what I need.

I have made a serious choice in life, and am not going back. I changed me, and that is what anyone who gets a disease has to do. You take responsibility for your own well being.

If I became ill, I might die. And that is my main impetus to keep watch on the diet. I will not seek medical treatment for anything other than an injury, if I contract a disease, I will not even call them. I do not call anyone when I am sick. It has been awhile now, possibly because my body knows it will not be propped up by drugs and pain killers like some middle Eastern regime (or ours either).

It knows it's survival it it's own responsibility. And that is that.

Ideally people would get into that mode before being hit with some traumatic illness, perhaps it might not happen.

Signing off, be well all.

T

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RE: My faults - 1/31/2007 10:18:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pig insulin differs in only one amino acid from human insulin. Bovine insulin differs in three amino acids from human insulin. People treated with these animal insulins had slight levels of antibodies against them, but that posed not much of a problem.
 
Since the early eighties human insulin has been produced through DNA recombinant technology in bacteria.
 
I will dedicate a chapter to diabetes in my book about chronic diseases. My advice: be modest when eating. Limit meals to two or three per day. Do not eat between meals. Do not eat snacks or fast food.

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