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onestandingstill -> Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 7:19:19 AM)

Hello All,
I find this very interesting as I had no idea Domme was just a recent catch term for a Dominatrix.
suzanne

"Domme" is a term for dom (dominant) with the "-me" added to specify the female gender. The commonly accepted theory for the term's origin is that it was coined online to quickly differentiate a female dominant from her male brethren.

Some people pronounce it like "dom" and others pronounce it "Dom-may." Despite the French sounding pronounciation, the word has no determinable foreign origin.

In a post to the Yahoo Leather History mailing list, Hypatia Swan, Ph.D. presented her research on the term:

I researched the use of the word "domme" in connection with "the scene" by tracking the usage of the word on usenet. I used "alt.sex.bondage" as a representative newsgroup and tracked the frequency of occurrence of the word "domme" for each year starting in 1989 (As far as I can tell, the group didn't exist until 1989).

I used tracking for the word "rope" as a baseline to get an idea of general trends in usenet usage (a sort of normalization factor).

All tracking was conducted using google search function (formerly dejanews.com). I searched by year, exclusively in the newsgroup mentioned. Feel free to repeat and/or verify/correct this search. It's kind of fun to diddle with.

Important points:

I found that the word "domme" first appeared on alt.sex.bondage in 1990 - a single hit (perhaps a misspelling?).

"Domme" didn't appear until 1993 after that, and there were 35 occurrences of the word in that year.

Interestingly, in 1993, people were writing "dom femme" and "fem domme" interchangeably - usually when referring to pro dominants.

After 1993, use of the word "domme" grew quickly on this usenet group.

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All of this leads me to believe that use of the word "domme" didn't really catch on until about 1993-1994... the same time that "that thar inner net [sic]" was catching on (who knew?).

In addition, I think it might be entirely possible that the word domme came into existence because some people interchanged the words "femme dom" with "fem domme." A misspelling-spelling of sorts. It may have caught on after that since the misspelled-spelled word may have filled the perceived niche of having gender specificity. Any thoughts on this? Anyone hear the term in real life prior to 1993? Just my theory.
Dr. Swan found that the peak frequency for the word Domme occurred in about 1996 at about ~550 or so hits. Then as usenet usage declined, the number of hits for "domme" and "rope" declined similarly.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 7:26:41 AM)

I've always heard that "domme" is a net term. 

I do know it's a term I dislike and don't use.




thetammyjo -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 7:32:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I've always heard that "domme" is a net term.

I do know it's a term I dislike and don't use.


*applauds in agreement*

I've heard it used only exceedingly rarely offline. It made a negative impression on me but I tried to just let the people who used it to be themselves -- I think it would be rude of me to correct them. The people who used it continued to make a negative impression on me via their attitudes, stated beliefs, and actions. The result has been an increase in my dislike of the word itself.

Is that fair of me? No, but it is the reality of how I react.




sleazy -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 8:34:37 AM)

Half jokingly, I always figured it was an invention from a group of people similar to those that thought chairman and such to be bad words :)





LotusSong -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 8:47:50 AM)

I "bling-bling" is now a legitimate word... why not Domme? :)
 
hmmm how about differentiating submissives?  Sub.. Subbe?
 
(I've never liked the homoginizing of genders..)




Missokyst -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 8:57:09 AM)

I have to agree with you LA.  I don't care for the term.  Most of the female dominants I know use dom when referring to themselves, if they want to label it. 
I particularly like the Doe may pronounciation.
Kyst




sleazy -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 9:24:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong
hmmm how about differentiating submissives?  Sub.. Subbe?


But surely any twue sub/be is whatever damn gender they are told to be?[:D]




KatyLied -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 9:27:37 AM)

domme = dumb word





justheather -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 9:29:13 AM)

I like "Domina".




Aileen68 -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 9:31:07 AM)

Well...according to the people on this site it could have come from many sources.
dommunasion
dominos pizza
dommenican republication
dommadelicious
dommekat
dommenick the Italian Christmas donkey
and so on and so on...




KatyLied -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 9:31:12 AM)

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I like "Domina".


hehe....I'll remember to address you in that manner.    [8D]




Jasmyn -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 6:40:18 PM)

quote:

domme = dumb word

 
lmao ...
 
Never liked the word




MaryT -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 6:48:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I've always heard that "domme" is a net term.

I do know it's a term I dislike and don't use.


*applauds in agreement*

I've heard it used only exceedingly rarely offline. It made a negative impression on me but I tried to just let the people who used it to be themselves -- I think it would be rude of me to correct them. The people who used it continued to make a negative impression on me via their attitudes, stated beliefs, and actions. The result has been an increase in my dislike of the word itself.

Is that fair of me? No, but it is the reality of how I react.


I started using the Dom/me thing in posts in an attempt to be inclusive.  It felt silly to me too since dom is short for dominant (non specific gender).  Male and female submissives are not distinguished that way, so ... it felt like W/we stuff.  Thank you both for giving me the go ahead to stop.




Bryan1 -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 6:53:45 PM)

From wikipedia:

The term "Domme" is a coined pseudo-French female variation of the slang Dom (short for dominant). There is confusion on its pronunciation, with some pronouncing it identically to Dom and some pronouncing the final e as a second syllable, e.g. saying dom-MAY or DOM-may. The correct pronunciation is identical to Dom, by analogy to one-syllable French-derived words like femme or blonde.




Wulfchyld -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 6:55:21 PM)

After years of extensive research the community settled on two words. Domme, and Vongoodlsmutcher, we were all prepared to settle on Vongoodlsmutcher until we discovered that in some obscure dead language it meant cheeseburger and now use Domme by default.

Loki




MaryT -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 7:36:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bryan1
The correct pronunciation is identical to Dom, by analogy to one-syllable French-derived words like femme or blonde.


So it is identical to W/we, which is pronounced "we."




lilsubl -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 8:02:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sleazy

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong
hmmm how about differentiating submissives?  Sub.. Subbe?


But surely any twue sub/be is whatever damn gender they are told to be?[:D]


boy oh boy did i need these laughs tonight!!! thank you...& i await my gender assignment....




DominaSmartass -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 8:10:26 PM)

Wait...so no one is going to adamently defend the use of "domme" and its origin back to the earliest days of ancient, European bdsm?




Wulfchyld -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 8:13:40 PM)

Nope. I am pretty sure it was Vongoodlsmutcher back then.




sleazy -> RE: Word Origin of Domme (1/31/2007 8:19:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lilsubl

quote:

ORIGINAL: sleazy

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong
hmmm how about differentiating submissives?  Sub.. Subbe?


But surely any twue sub/be is whatever damn gender they are told to be?[:D]


boy oh boy did i need these laughs tonight!!! thank you...& i await my gender assignment....




Glad I made someone smile, on the subject of your gender (re)assignment, arrange an appointment with your dominant partner to confirm their willingness to make you participate in this programme :)




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