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rhiannonsub -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 10:26:50 AM)

I also had an eating disorder when I was younger.  It was a horrible experience where I was obsessed with my weight, my image and raged with guilt and low self esteem at the same time.  I am still a thin woman now, but I have come to terms with myself and accept me for me.



obey1 -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 11:27:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

Blame the parents for Downs Syndrome?  Can you explain this further please? 
 
Daddysgirl


This is a subject unto itself.  In the old days people used to have to get 'blood tests' and wait for the results to come back that affirmed their right (or at least informed them) that they had genetic indicators of disease.  That was of course when people waited to have sex until marriage as well.  Now you just have to elope to Las Vegas.

I am not saying that ALL cases are caused by the parents, any more than a cleft lip or club foot would be.  Things happen in the womb.  But now we do have blood tests alot more advanced and we can maintain our right to choice in the first trimester to decide or not to terminate.  It is a hard choice I understand.  It is a great burden.  But the parents (once informed) have the ultimate choice to bring the child into the world fully well knowing what to expect.  I am not promoting or defending this, just trying to support my position above.

Here are the usual methods of acquiring down's:

1.  Alcohol or drug use immediately before conception or during the pregnancy, even the wrong prescription drugs.
2.  A late birth, risk goes way up after 40 years of age, as the remaining eggs in the ovaries have been waiting around that long (a female child is born with all of her eggs, a finite number)
3.  Lack of a legitimate blood and DNA test to screen out known risk factors.  Now those tests are much better.
4.  Random and purposeful incest and interbreeding to keep the blood line 'pure'.
5.  Other dangerous behaviour on the part of the mother such as creating hypoxia, as simple as smoking, as complex as playing games that involve asphyxia.
6.  Other forms of medical problems that are not checked beforehand or completely ignored in ignorance.  Any type of menstrual problem, STD, etc.  Lack of regular gynecological exams throughout life.

Basically you would not buy a car without taking it for a test drive or having it inspected for problems.  But most people do not take the time to remember that spotty period years ago, or have their womb checked out for a clean bill of health before they rush headlong into childbearing.  Then there is the irresponsible behavior like smoking, drinking, and drug use.  My niece and nephew both have asthma because the mother smoked the whole time.  They both had very traumatic births involving their lungs being malformed.  They could have easily come out with down's.  Today they also have ADD and will have to be on at least three medications for the rest of their lives.

I am not an expert on this subject but there could be a more detailed list to prevent down's somewhere.  There is always the 'Act of God' but irresponsible behaviours have by far the greater percentage of cases.  And once discovered there is the hard choice to proceed or terminate within the first trimester.

That is why I said blame the parents.  In the future this will be completely avoidable through extended DNA testing, we just do not have the technology yet, and "smoking, drinking, and trying to free your mind" (avoid responsibility) is almost a sure recipie for disaster.



obey1 -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 11:32:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: obey1
And that is what morbid obesity and anorexia are:  An inability to deal with life.

It is my impression that it is a place of despair. They may bring some order into deteriorated lives 


Remember Rule I am supporting parasites and viruses, genetic indicators.  You used only one soundbite.



KatyLied -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 11:38:50 AM)

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Here are the usual methods of acquiring down's:


What?
Are you aware that Down's Syndrome is a specific form of mental retardation?



obey1 -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 11:40:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slo18

it seems that  eating disorders run in my family 


This is further proof for the nature or nurture argument.  There is some kind of chemical imbalance in the brain and the behavior is modeled during their upbringing by other family members.

That is why I said 'blame' the parents.  Not in a mean way, in an origen way.  Parenting skills are very important and if they keep telling the child they are fat or they eat too much, it sometimes causes improper programming.  It is very psychosocial.



obey1 -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 11:44:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Are you aware that Down's Syndrome is a specific form of mental retardation?



Yes I am Katy.  The answer to your question is that I was trying to be polite and not use the term retarded to distinguish.  I said Kleenex insteead of Kleenex and Tissue Paper.  I hope no one is offended. If I had said blame the parents for retarded kids, I would have gotten slammed, most likely.  Down's has a little less bite and more sympathy.  It is the poster child.  My sincere apologies to anyone, but my argument stands with that correction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_retardation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorexia_nervosa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morbid_obesity



KatyLied -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 11:45:48 AM)

Well it is what it is. 
Different things can cause mental retardation.  I've never seen some of those listed as causes of Down's Syndrome (which is a chromosomal defect), that's what made me wonder.



BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 12:05:04 PM)

I haven't read every post on the subject, but one thing I've noticed not just here, but in regards to "weight", especially when one is dieting.

I'm 5'10" in my bare feet.  I let the weight creep up on me over the years, but two years ago, I started the Atkins diet (low carbing), eating healthier and was working out with a personal trainer 3 days a week, and doing cardio 5 days a week.  In 6 months, I lost 45lbs according to the scale and went from a size 20 to a size 12.  I weighed 186lbs at that point in time.  I looked damned good, toned and tight, but still wanting to get rid of some more padding.

The interesting thing is that when I was younger, I distinctly remember a point where I wore a size 12 and weighed 155lbs.  The difference being that my 186lbs size 12 included a lot of muscle, built up through consistent exercise, whereas my 155lbs size 12 was lacking muscle and being toned.  Muscle weighs more than fat, but takes up less space in the body.   I have gained a few of my pounds back and lost some of my muscle tone due to poor food choices and stopping exercising. I'm in a size 14.  I'm now back in that regimen, although I don't work out with a trainer, I work out at home and use my ellipitcal trainer for my cardio.  In the end, I don't care what the scale says, I care about what I see and how I feel.

I remember reading somewhere that Lucy Lawless of Zena Warrior Princess fame, weighed in at 160lbs and I doubt anyone would have considered her fat

It's not about the number on the scale, it's your body makeup that counts.  Many bodybuilders are considered overweight according to BMI charts, but they aren't covered in fat, they're loaded up with muscles.

One thing I do know is the scale is evil and shouldn't be used as the judge when you are working to lose weight.  Take measurements when you start and every few weeks or so.  That's how you chart your real progress. [:)]



obey1 -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 12:14:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BRNaughtyAngel

In the end, I don't care what the scale says, I care about what I see and how I feel.

One thing I do know is the scale is evil and shouldn't be used as the judge when you are working to lose weight.  Take measurements when you start and every few weeks or so.  That's how you chart your real progress. [:)]



Very well said.  Looking in the mirror and feeling good about yourself is not narcissm, and that should always be enough to identify anorexia nervosa and morbid obesity before they kill you.



dawntreader -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 1:29:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BRNaughtyAngel

It's not about the number on the scale, it's your body makeup that counts.  Many bodybuilders are considered overweight according to BMI charts, but they aren't covered in fat, they're loaded up with muscles.

One thing I do know is the scale is evil and shouldn't be used as the judge when you are working to lose weight.  Take measurements when you start and every few weeks or so.  That's how you chart your real progress. [:)]



i totally agree with this! i don't own a scale and only know my weight from my annual physicals. For me it is all about body mmts, muscle definition, cardio ability and strength.
it wasn't always so - i suffered from anorexia in college and never had a good body image until i hit my 40th birthday :-) Something changed in the way i started thinking about myself and how i would like to live the next 40. So i began to honor my body  for the job it does and the amazing things i can experience with it - i took my focus off of thin and put it on health.
 
This doesn't mean i am always satisfied with what i SEE in the mirror, but i beat the demons back and let my better self take over :-)



slo18 -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 2:01:39 PM)

 one thing i do agree with obey1 on is  that  alot of weight issues ( not all certinaly but alot of them)  are caused by both nurtuer and nature,  if a person is brought up  beleiveing that there body isnt  thing enough, muscular emough,  too fluffy, too boney, they will try to change that,  and if they have the genitics  for adictive behavior ( such as over eating or the rush some anorexics describe when they control there food)  then that all contributes.   but  also as we become adults  and mature  I think that a great many of us learn to recognize the behavior  as they what they are learned behaviors that arnt healthy for us. I have found trying to lose weight even when I use heathly  docter overseen methods I only lose a few lbs  and then gain that back in more. witch has lead me to beleive  and accept that  I am soposed to weigh what I weigh more then the docters say I should, but as long as I dont try to lose weight i dont gain any , and i am the only one in my highschool class who still wears the same size that  I wore when i graduated all the others have gained weight. ;)  makes me feel good lol  



hisannabelle -> RE: Skinny chicks (2/2/2007 6:54:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

On the show they had a doctor that worked for a clinic that treated anorexic people.  They offered this one lady a free hospitalization and treatment to help her get better, which I thought was quite generous.  It could quite possibly save the woman's life.

Evidently these clinics exist obviously.  I have never heard of one, but has anyone considered, or actually made use of, one of these clinics?  I got the impression that it was like a shrink ward for mentally ill patients, but far more targetted to a specific group of people.  Another analogy would be a detox center.  Are there many in the USA?  And are there any in Canada?  It strikes me that if people know of these clinics, they should be making the push to getting their loved ones into these clinics.

And, further, modelling agencies should be forbidden to contract work for any man or woman that looks like they are suffering from this ailment.  It should be against the Law.  They are encouraging people to kill themselves for that next photo shoot.


yes, many of my support group friends have been in and out of treatment, and there are many centers in the us and canada. there's one in my city, and tallahassee's a pretty small place ;) they do bear some resemblances to psych wards, but may be different. many eating disordered people may have also had treatment in psych wards (marya hornbacher, who wrote "wasted," an amazing memoir on eds, was ip in a regular hospital, in eating disorder treatment centers, and in a psych hospital at some points). for insight into what an eating disorder treatment center is like, i'd recommend checking out the thin dvd and book by lauren greenfield - they're both very good. you could also look up renfrew's site - they're one of the most popular treatment centers.

as far as the fashion industry, a few countries have begun to ban women of a certain bmi from the catwalk. spain immediately comes to mind, but i believe brazil did as well, and other countries are considering it.



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