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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/21/2007 8:35:59 PM   
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Being non-religious, my sub is Wiccan. Never have I felt such a deep love for someone this intense in my life. I always accuse her of putting a "spell" on me, but I know it's just her personality. She's the woman I've always dreamed of. I think Wicca may have a base in her beliefs, but she's all the loving, caring woman that I could ever hope for and more. I support her beliefs, and consider myself fortunate to have found her.


A supportive Dom is always wonderful to find.  I am glad that she has you.  One quick question...  have you thought of doing some research into her beliefs??  Just wondering...
 
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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/21/2007 8:42:44 PM   
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Awe... why not??  (says in best 'sweet little girl voice')  I actually have that deck, it is very powerful.  I do prefer my Hanson Roberts deck though....  either that one or one of my many Dragon decks...
 
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It just gives me the willies. I'm not a fan of alot of his philosophy. Master has the deck as well. Something about the energy just doesn't jive with mine. I definitely prefer my Renaissance deck.

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/21/2007 9:13:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have some Pagan background, and my underlying spirituality is animistic and reverent of the earth.  But mostly my opinion of that community is that it reminds me of a granola bowl - heavy on the fruits, nuts and flakes.  So I generally avoid the annoyance of dealing with fluffy bunnies and prefer to do my own thing quietly and privately.

MsStick, that's an interesting icon.  It's visually appealing, but the herp geek in me is really wincing at the depiction of a viper with fangs hanging out of its mouth.  The snake would have to be dead, badly injured or at least physically manipulated in a very uncomfortable way to assume the position depicted. 

Solenoglyphs (viperids) have folding fangs that you can't see when their mouths are closed, and proteroglyphs (elapids like cobras, mambas and kraits) have tiny fangs that you also can't see when their mouths are closed.  Actually the fangs are pretty hard to see even when their mouths are open, as they're entirely covered with soft tissue (fang sheaths).   Even a full open mouthed threat display in any of these species does not normally show actual fang, though you will see the sheaths.  And relatively few vipers perform open mouth threat displays, with the notable exception of Agkistrodon piscivorus (cottonmouths).  They display with their fangs tightly sheathed, and the cottony whiteness of the mouth is the evolved "alarm signal".  Interestingly enough a cottonmouth in such a display may often be manipulated judiciously for photography, even to the point of meddling with its open mouth, and it may continue to remain frozen and motionless in the warning position.  It isn't even possible to pull back the fang sheaths deliberately with an instrument when the animal is in this position with its fangs determinedly held against the roof of the mouth; they droop like white window blinds and that's your photo whether you like it or not.  Which is a pity as you generally only get one or two attempts at such a photo after initial capture.  Cottonmouths usually get wise to being handled in remarkably short order and will discontinue the display behavior in favor of peering curiously at their human handler to see if any lunch is being served.  If not, then gentle handling is simply ignored as they have habituated to the stimulus and will no longer waste any energy responding to a human presence. 

The fang tissue sheaths in a viper tend to cover the fragile structures amazingly well unless they are retracted by external pressure, and even then they tend to droop.   They actually seem to have some difficulty retracting that tissue voluntarily, though they can erect their fangs voluntarily and "tent" the sheath, which makes it easier to move the drooping tissue out of the way and provides something of a "catch" for it to keep it retracted.  Visible fangs in venomous snakes is one of those really annoying artistic misconceptions.  Unless you're watching them eat, where external pressure has been applied to the fang sheath by the food item, or unless you're meddling in their mouths on purpose, you aren't a bit likely to see flashing fangs. 

Yes, this essentially translates to snakes having a fang foreskin. 

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/22/2007 12:47:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very interesting.. I came into my spirituality and the BDSM lifestyle at very much the same time. Never actually drew a comparison to the two until last year when I met one of my mentor at a public play party and realized that he is a very experienced sub and deeply involved.  For the last 13 years I have been a practising healer / teacher working in the alternative and spiritual field and also a lifestyle S/switch…
Thanks for a great thread

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/22/2007 3:05:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DragonNphoenix

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarkMinette

Being non-religious, my sub is Wiccan. Never have I felt such a deep love for someone this intense in my life. I always accuse her of putting a "spell" on me, but I know it's just her personality. She's the woman I've always dreamed of. I think Wicca may have a base in her beliefs, but she's all the loving, caring woman that I could ever hope for and more. I support her beliefs, and consider myself fortunate to have found her.


A supportive Dom is always wonderful to find.  I am glad that she has you.  One quick question...  have you thought of doing some research into her beliefs??  Just wondering...
 
1st girl Phoenix


As a matter of fact, I did, shortly after she told me. I looked into it fairly intensively. We plan on doing a handfasting.

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/22/2007 6:26:11 AM   
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Ok, I'm going to say some unpopular things.  I'll couch them best I can, I don't mean to rain on anyone or minimize any religious feelings.  I'll state for the record, I consider myself Wiccan.

I believe there is a strong pull to alternative lifestyles often because they are just that - alternative.  As societal norms become more unified from mass media, the desire to break these norms increases.  Thus, I think many people begin that escape at a younger age through fantasy books, video games, roleplaying games, and other activities that enable an escape from an everyday, mundane life.  The drawback to these escapes, is that the more often one engages in them, the less often they socialize with other individuals who don't make use of these escapes.  Round about 12 to 19 years old, people who spend most of their time escaping into fantasy (and interfacing with others who make similar escapes) are less likely to be active in non-fantasy activities such as sports, music, or other extra-curricular activities (as I'm drawing generalizations, naturally most individuals will defy this generalization mind you.)  This isn't to say these activities are unhealthy, but I certainly believe there would be a relationship between a child or teen who spends 100 hours a week playing World of Warcraft and their lack of interest in volleyball or dating.

If one grows up with limited social skills as a child or teen, it stands to reason that they would continue that pattern through their adult life, and prefer the company of others with similar experiences.  Alternative religion, lifestyles, and activities become the 'norm.'  It leads me to question if those who are engaging in pagan spirituality (in general) do so because they have a genuine desire to embrace their religion, or if it's the result of a lifetime of 'naturally' rebelling against the predominant religion (usually Christianity.)  Most Wiccans tend to have a very low opinion of the 15 year old who abandons their Christian faith, in order to have the power to cast spells to spite people they hate. 

So, these are some of my thoughts.  I'm not attempting to suggest people shouldn't believe what they believe, feel what the feel, or love what they love.  I'm saying that people who embrace their lives and their places in this world often will find more love and happiness; constantly escaping from this world because it 'sucks' is a lonely and fruitless path.

I'm happy to consider opposing viewpoints; I'm genuinely concerned that my position probably makes me look like a judgmental asshole.  I'm willing to concede I might be wrong.  Any suggestions?

Stephan


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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/22/2007 7:10:01 AM   
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If one grows up with limited social skills as a child or teen, it stands to reason that they would continue that pattern through their adult life, and prefer the company of others with similar experiences.  Alternative religion, lifestyles, and activities become the 'norm.'  It leads me to question if those who are engaging in pagan spirituality (in general) do so because they have a genuine desire to embrace their religion, or if it's the result of a lifetime of 'naturally' rebelling against the predominant religion (usually Christianity.)  Most Wiccans tend to have a very low opinion of the 15 year old who abandons their Christian faith, in order to have the power to cast spells to spite people they hate. 

Stephan


 
Greetings. I partially agree with this, and looking back at my own childhood and teenage years this was applicable. Yet I also wonder and believe that for many, they do eventually change this pattern and do expand their social skills. Granted a percentage don't.
   It is my own belief that the majority of believers do embrace this spiritual path honestly and with good faith. I think that in the beginning many of us did embrace Pagan/Wiccan beliefs due to rebellion against the "norm" and as our knowledge and understanding grew, we out grew the rebellion and found our faith more satisfying on a spiritual level then the conventional religeous beliefs.

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/22/2007 7:14:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, I totally agree.  I certainly fit the profile I outlined myself in many ways, so my post wasn't simply intended as rhetoric.  I played video games, read fantasy novels, and dived into RPGs.  I know a lot of that was fueled by boredom and frustration that came from limited opportunities for non-sports stars in a small town (though I did play football, wrestled, and saxophone, etc.)

I also know that my ultimate spirtual choices weren't made because I had a desire to practice magic (I never have) but rather a means of finding a religion that I felt I could embrace without guilt, something Christianity could never offer no matter how hard I tried.

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/22/2007 7:22:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I too only partially agree with Stephann,  as a teen my social skills were pretty bad. I tended to live in my head alot, and pay little if any attention to what was going on around me.  However Since my early 20's my socials have gotten alot better,(though I am still shy at times and have to force myself to satalite at a gathering instead of just chatting with people I know.)  I do not care for alot of "mainstream" society.  And would rather hang with people that are more likely to "get" me. (understand me.)

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/22/2007 10:49:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephann

Howdy,

Ok, I'm going to say some unpopular things.  I'll couch them best I can, I don't mean to rain on anyone or minimize any religious feelings.  I'll state for the record, I consider myself Wiccan.

I believe there is a strong pull to alternative lifestyles often because they are just that - alternative.  As societal norms become more unified from mass media, the desire to break these norms increases.  Thus, I think many people begin that escape at a younger age through fantasy books, video games, roleplaying games, and other activities that enable an escape from an everyday, mundane life.  The drawback to these escapes, is that the more often one engages in them, the less often they socialize with other individuals who don't make use of these escapes.  Round about 12 to 19 years old, people who spend most of their time escaping into fantasy (and interfacing with others who make similar escapes) are less likely to be active in non-fantasy activities such as sports, music, or other extra-curricular activities (as I'm drawing generalizations, naturally most individuals will defy this generalization mind you.)  This isn't to say these activities are unhealthy, but I certainly believe there would be a relationship between a child or teen who spends 100 hours a week playing World of Warcraft and their lack of interest in volleyball or dating.

If one grows up with limited social skills as a child or teen, it stands to reason that they would continue that pattern through their adult life, and prefer the company of others with similar experiences.  Alternative religion, lifestyles, and activities become the 'norm.'  It leads me to question if those who are engaging in pagan spirituality (in general) do so because they have a genuine desire to embrace their religion, or if it's the result of a lifetime of 'naturally' rebelling against the predominant religion (usually Christianity.)  Most Wiccans tend to have a very low opinion of the 15 year old who abandons their Christian faith, in order to have the power to cast spells to spite people they hate. 

So, these are some of my thoughts.  I'm not attempting to suggest people shouldn't believe what they believe, feel what the feel, or love what they love.  I'm saying that people who embrace their lives and their places in this world often will find more love and happiness; constantly escaping from this world because it 'sucks' is a lonely and fruitless path.

I'm happy to consider opposing viewpoints; I'm genuinely concerned that my position probably makes me look like a judgmental asshole.  I'm willing to concede I might be wrong.  Any suggestions?

Stephan


 
 
I believe correlation and causation have been confused here. Just because teenagers who have an interest in these activities later seek out interests such as BDSM and Paganism, doesn't make them the cause. I think it has more to do with one's base interests. If a sixteen year-old girl is interested in reading Terry Brooks novels, it seems to me that the same girl is naturally going to find the Pagan spirituality a draw for them.
 
One also must consider exposure to those mainstream religious ideas. I was never exposed to Christianity, and have only had any knowledge of it since moving here to be with Master, who has a degree in religious studies. I tried one time as a young girl to attend a church worship service, and just felt completely out of place, despite the friendly and welcoming atmosphere and the fact that many of my school friends were in attendance.
 
Perhaps I'm in the minority. I wouldn't be surprised. All of this is just my opinion, and I'd love to know what others' experiences have been insofar as exposure to the mainstream was.
 
 
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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/22/2007 11:32:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephann

Howdy,

Ok, I'm going to say some unpopular things.  I'll couch them best I can, I don't mean to rain on anyone or minimize any religious feelings.  I'll state for the record, I consider myself Wiccan.

I believe there is a strong pull to alternative lifestyles often because they are just that - alternative.  As societal norms become more unified from mass media, the desire to break these norms increases.  Thus, I think many people begin that escape at a younger age through fantasy books, video games, roleplaying games, and other activities that enable an escape from an everyday, mundane life.  The drawback to these escapes, is that the more often one engages in them, the less often they socialize with other individuals who don't make use of these escapes.  Round about 12 to 19 years old, people who spend most of their time escaping into fantasy (and interfacing with others who make similar escapes) are less likely to be active in non-fantasy activities such as sports, music, or other extra-curricular activities (as I'm drawing generalizations, naturally most individuals will defy this generalization mind you.)  This isn't to say these activities are unhealthy, but I certainly believe there would be a relationship between a child or teen who spends 100 hours a week playing World of Warcraft and their lack of interest in volleyball or dating.

If one grows up with limited social skills as a child or teen, it stands to reason that they would continue that pattern through their adult life, and prefer the company of others with similar experiences.  Alternative religion, lifestyles, and activities become the 'norm.'  It leads me to question if those who are engaging in pagan spirituality (in general) do so because they have a genuine desire to embrace their religion, or if it's the result of a lifetime of 'naturally' rebelling against the predominant religion (usually Christianity.)  Most Wiccans tend to have a very low opinion of the 15 year old who abandons their Christian faith, in order to have the power to cast spells to spite people they hate. 

So, these are some of my thoughts.  I'm not attempting to suggest people shouldn't believe what they believe, feel what the feel, or love what they love.  I'm saying that people who embrace their lives and their places in this world often will find more love and happiness; constantly escaping from this world because it 'sucks' is a lonely and fruitless path.

I'm happy to consider opposing viewpoints; I'm genuinely concerned that my position probably makes me look like a judgmental asshole.  I'm willing to concede I might be wrong.  Any suggestions?

Stephan


 
Okay, I CAN SEE what you are saying... but for me, I do not fit into your description.  My family was Pagan (they are Gypsy on my Moms side), my mother was the one that 'rebelled' against the family and became Catholic.  I, however embraced my families spiritual thought process.  I started on my own spiritual path when I was 9, saw my first ghost and realized that I was different.  My brother took me to a Wiccan Priestess, who became my first Mentor, but also took me to Grandma, who told me about 'the family'.  (my mother had made my Grandma promise to interfere with my moms children, that we had to find our own way.)   I have been a devote Wiccan ever since.
 
I loved to read as a kid (and still do), liked fanasty and sci-fi, but also horror.  BUT...  I also was a member of the track team, very active member of S.A.D.D., extremely social... ect.  I have a wide range of friends, but my closest ones are on the same spiritual path as me, I think that is because I am more comfortable discussing my beliefs with people that 'get' it. 
 
Just so you know... my Coven is a family one.  We have members of all ages...  but we are against the 'fluffy bunny' teenagers that think that we are "The Craft" or "Charmed".  We also do not condone spells put on others out of hatred or such.  We believe whole heartedly in the 'Rule of 3', and the laws of Karma.  My children have been raised Wiccan, though they have all gone to church with their Grandparents to be exposed to different paths.
 
Just one more statement.  I did not come into BDSM because of paganism or anything.  My brother was into it, I saw things in his room and asked questions.  He directed me to books to read.  I started 'playing' with idea when I was about 15, I was involved in mostly D/s relationships at that time until my first real M/s relationship at 22.  But, to me, I dont think that being pagan 'made' me want to be part of other alternative lifesyles.  Though... I do think that being pagan helped get me involved with the Ren Faire crowd.  (active in the Renn Faires and SCA since I was 16)
 
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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/26/2007 3:24:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		My sexuality, My BDSM nature and tendencies/habits, and My spirituality are all inextricably intertwined; they battled and fought each other for years, culminating in not a few "dark nights of the soul," as it were... when all those facets of My personality became reconciled, peace, "grounded-ness," and acceptance ensued... I now consider Myself to be a Wiccan Buddhist Christian.  They seem as compatable as the story of the Phoenix and the rising of Christ....

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/26/2007 4:16:22 AM   
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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/26/2007 4:35:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		What a wonderful thread *smile*. 

While reading through the responses i stopped for a few minutes to actually *think* back on when my interest in Paganism was piqued vs. my BDSM interests.  Whether the two are intertwined due to cause and effect, i cannot really say...i do know that my Pagan belief structure was firmly in place far longer than my interest in the lifstyle.  That being said i can honestly say that the two interests definitely compliment each other in my world..they play off each other, they enhance (for lack of a better word).

Most of my friends are Wiccan and they are wonderful people.  i, myself, do not consider myself to be Wiccan as i have a horrible problem with following structured religion.  i've been *labeled* a witch *smile* and that's fine, although i do not consider myself even remotely focused enough to claim that title.

For what it's worth, i must say that i really do enjoy reading the threads and am always pleasantly surprised at the amount of knowledge and forethought that goes into most of the responses.  It's refreshing to know there are more than "trolls" out there *smile*

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/26/2007 4:46:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		...Then there are those with absolutely no links to Paganism who come to BDSM for entirely different reasons. I was raised strictly Southern Baptist, with no interests in role-playing or video games. I read a lot, but I can't say I was all that interested in fantasy stories. As for sports and activities, I was ultra-involved, so none of my interests grew out of not fitting in socially. I did have a time in my early 30's where I began to question specific components of my Religion, but for the most part my core beliefs have remained intact. So, while there is a cross-over, many people have little or no connection to it. I find a certain spirituality in my relationship, but I don't equate it with any specific religion or set of beliefs.

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/26/2007 8:21:48 AM   
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i'm submissive, poly, enjoy computer games (muds and the occasional pc game), am interested in renfaires and the sca but haven't really gotten involved due to lack of time, am pagan with lots of buddhist flavoring and have studied both for quite some time now, oh, and i'm a computer geek. crossover, what?


I found the SCA through bdsm...and my Dom through the SCA, who also goes to Sci/Fi cons by the way....I have also found wiccan and paganism through friends in both places. I wouldnt consider myself either one, but though friends, I have taken an interest in it and do some reading in both topics. I have seen a similarity in how some describe the spiritual feelings they get from bdsm and many other religions.

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/26/2007 1:43:25 PM   
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There is a large sub-culture crossover between the renn/geek/gaming/spirituality/poly communities.


That crossover always amuses me: I will meet someone and, after hearing several of those interests, know that the rest are probably present, as well. In a discussion of it, several of us once agreed that the common theme seems to be a love for the question, "what if?" - and the things that seem possible when you start trying to answer...

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/26/2007 1:47:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I continue to have problems reconciling my submissive side with my spirituality. I have heard so many of answers and possible ways to resolve what I still see as inconsistent. I have reached an uneasy peace with it, myself, and simply try to accept it as the Goddess's claiming all acts of joy and love.

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/26/2007 3:08:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know for myself, I haven't had any conflict between my spiritual path and my kink. I'm not saying this is the norm, but sofar I have found that my spirituality haelps when having an internal issue in an area of my sumissiveness. There may come a time where this may not be so, yet sofar, I am finding one works in conjunction with the other.

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RE: Ritual, Magic, Pagan Spirituality - 6/28/2007 2:33:19 AM   
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Hey All,

I found this old thread...
http://www.collarchat.com/m_34709/mpage_1/key_pagan/tm.htm

But it's from years ago! 

I've been involved with earth based spiritualities, ritual, and magical training (in groups and alone) from the age of 15.  My discovery of BDSM came relatively later, less than 2 years ago, but I found Myself incredibly well prepared to step into My Domliness

Have others found similar crossover?


It's quite simple, these any many other things have one thing in common. They are practiced by abnormally intelligent, open and inquisitive persons.

This is not to say that people who are more "mainstream" do not have these characteristics, but that those who lack them are significantly less inclined to pursue alternative paths.


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