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LadyTantalize -> RE: Women in Control (3/8/2005 2:17:49 PM)
Yep and nods to those who nay-say the credos of Female Supremacy! Too many stupid women out there to equate females as being superior! Although, I am in line with much of the thoughts of Elise Sutton, who is a Female Supremacist and who feels that many (not all, but many) men do have an inate need and desire for "love female authority". Possibly this need relates back to the womb or even infancy, and could even have serious mother-related or lack there-of issues involved with the reasonings, but I do think in many ways it can be true ---- that MOST men do have a desire to experience "loving female authority". Anyway, she's a very interesting character with some thought-provoking books, essays, articles and writings. http://www.elisesutton.homestead.com/Main.html

LadyAngelika -> RE: Women in Control (3/8/2005 2:56:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize Although, I am in line with much of the thoughts of Elise Sutton, who is a Female Supremacist and who feels that many (not all, but many) men do have an inate need and desire for "love female authority". Possibly this need relates back to the womb or even infancy, and could even have serious mother-related or lack there-of issues involved with the reasonings, but I do think in many ways it can be true ---- that MOST men do have a desire to experience "loving female authority". I have much respect for many of your posts LadyT, but that last statement, in my opinion, is completely inaccurate. I say that because: 1) I don't think that most submissive men want just any female authority but rather want to pick the woman they want to submit too, in which case only one woman is "supreme" to them, not the female gender as a whole 2) I don't think that most men are submissive. I don't think that most men are dominant. I don't know if there is a way we can accurately determine who is what in which context and determine a majority -- everything is simply speculation. 3) The Freudian mother-related issue (if you chose to buy into it) is counterbalanced by all the girls who didn't have a father figure and need a "daddy". So that would create an equal Male Supremacy league. When a strong, sane and stable man submits to a woman, he submits to her and not the whole gender. A man that would submit to just any woman that comes along because she is "supreme" has some serious issues to deal with that span way beyond Freudian theories. - LA

LadyTantalize -> RE: Women in Control (3/8/2005 3:27:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika quote: ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize Although, I am in line with much of the thoughts of Elise Sutton, who is a Female Supremacist and who feels that many (not all, but many) men do have an inate need and desire for "love female authority". Possibly this need relates back to the womb or even infancy, and could even have serious mother-related or lack there-of issues involved with the reasonings, but I do think in many ways it can be true ---- that MOST men do have a desire to experience "loving female authority". I have much respect for many of your posts LadyT, but that last statement, in my opinion, is completely inaccurate. I say that because: 1) I don't think that most submissive men want just any female authority but rather want to pick the woman they want to submit too, in which case only one woman is "supreme" to them, not the female gender as a whole 2) I don't think that most men are submissive. I don't think that most men are dominant. I don't know if there is a way we can accurately determine who is what in which context and determine a majority -- everything is simply speculation. 3) The Freudian mother-related issue (if you chose to buy into it) is counterbalanced by all the girls who didn't have a father figure and need a "daddy". So that would create an equal Male Supremacy league. When a strong, sane and stable man submits to a woman, he submits to her and not the whole gender. A man that would submit to just any woman that comes along because she is "supreme" has some serious issues to deal with that span way beyond Freudian theories. - LA Thank you Lady Angelika. Possibly inaccurate conjecture, but also just My opinion!!! Maybe it's just a surmised semi-opinion based on My experiences where it seems that men of all walks... vanilla, sub, Dom, bottom, top, seem to contact Me and want to experience female domination in private due to hidden, yet very deep, inner desires. Anyway, again, this is just a personal opinion, as inaccurate as it may be! Soooooo, some replies to Your thoughts...... 1) I don't think that most submissive men want just any female authority but rather want to pick the woman they want to submit too, in which case only one woman is "supreme" to them, not the female gender as a whole. I don't think I stated that they wanted to submit to just any woman walking down the street, did I? I just I feel that MANY (not all, possibly not even "most", but many men) do have these deep, inner thoughts or desires. And while many might not admit it, many DO have inner desires to experience a degree of "loving female authority" be it from their wife, mother, loved one, stranger, ProDomme or special some one. 2) I don't think that most men are submissive. I don't think that most men are dominant. I don't know if there is a way we can accurately determine who is what in which context and determine a majority -- everything is simply speculation. True, 'tis all speculation but neither do I feel a man MUST be submissive or dominant, or even kinky to want to experience "loving female authority". Some in line with Female Authoritists thinking feel that it's much like the need for hibernation in animals, or migratory patterns of birds, it's innate. Hey, again I'm just going from My personal experiences and communications! It's across the board - all types, occupations, creeds, whatever - if I were to poll those who contact Me - it's a wide spectrum from submissive men with the goal of ultimate slavery, to kinky men wanting to submit only in a scene, to vanilla men who've had an "inner need" to be experience such, to dominant men who also experience such a need but cannot admit to such publically.... from power-brokers to slave-sluts to Male Doms even - they've all called. Granted, I'm out there publically, so they do contact Me of course. But, it's just been amazing to Me that even in a vanilla setting a man will make a comment (how does he know - am I wearing a sign?), or even some Male Doms who meet Me then contact Me privately later, some I've known years who then come out and say "Damn, I have to find out about these thoughts", men who are not submissive, anyway..... it's just been My experience to soooooooo many men seem to crave a woman, a special woman who can, even if just occassionally, give him some degree of "loving female authority". So, again, this is just My personal opinions here!! 3) The Freudian mother-related issue (if you chose to buy into it) is counterbalanced by all the girls who didn't have a father figure and need a "daddy". So that would create an equal Male Supremacy league. Ummm, possibly for some. But, I feel men and women are very different in their subconscious - some men need a "mommy figure" and some women need a "daddy" and if such needs are lived in a mentally healthy manner, I've no problem with such rationale. And, for many, like the Goreans, there is a whole Male Superiority thing going on! And, might I mention I've had a few Gorean Masters contact Me also! chuckle Again, when I mentioned that it's My personal opinion that "most men have an inner desire to experience "loving female authority" never did I say a man must be submissive nor must he submit to the whole female race. I merely muse upon My personal experiences that men from all walks of life, many who do not even consider themselves "kinky" nor submissive, do have this inner desire. Thanks for the comments!! I do love it when opposing opinions can be shared in a constructive and positive manmer!!!!!

LadyAngelika -> RE: Women in Control (3/8/2005 4:30:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize Thank you Lady Angelika. Possibly inaccurate conjecture, but also just My opinion!!! Maybe it's just a surmised semi-opinion based on My experiences where it seems that men of all walks... vanilla, sub, Dom, bottom, top, seem to contact Me and want to experience female domination in private due to hidden, yet very deep, inner desires. Anyway, again, this is just a personal opinion, as inaccurate as it may be! Of course. We all speak based on our personal opinions. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize Again, when I mentioned that it's My personal opinion that "most men have an inner desire to experience "loving female authority" never did I say a man must be submissive nor must he submit to the whole female race. I merely muse upon My personal experiences that men from all walks of life, many who do not even consider themselves "kinky" nor submissive, do have this inner desire. That makes sense. Women can fulfill certain needs for men. (Though I have no idea where gay men fall in this equation). In any case, I don't see how it supports the concept of Female Supremacy however. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize Thanks for the comments!! I do love it when opposing opinions can be shared in a constructive and positive manmer!!!!! Only way to do it, LadyT ;) - LA

sting516 -> RE: Women in Control (3/9/2005 1:23:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jasmyn I've noticed a lot of male enthusiasts of Fem Supremacy feel their beliefs in it sets them apart from the mere mortal penis lead male who don't believe. That they are some how above impulsively acting on male urges and thus are not bound by typical male stereotyping, making them feel they are somehow more evolved. i would disagree with the concept that those males who believe in Female Supremacy feel that they are set apart from the non-believers by the fact that they are not led around by their penis...in fact, i'd submit that males who believe in Female Supremacy as just more aware of the fact that we are led by our penis, and that is the fact that makes us believe that Females are Superior. As always, your mileage may vary. sting

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Women in Control (3/9/2005 10:05:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sting516 in fact, i'd submit that males who believe in Female Supremacy as just more aware of the fact that we are led by our penis, and that is the fact that makes us believe that Females are Superior. sting I applaud you on that self awareness... I for one love these kinds of men, and hope to take possession of one of my own in the future.[;)][:D] M

LadyTantalize -> RE: Women in Control (3/10/2005 9:57:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika quote: ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize Thank you Lady Angelika. Possibly inaccurate conjecture, but also just My opinion!!! Maybe it's just a surmised semi-opinion based on My experiences where it seems that men of all walks... vanilla, sub, Dom, bottom, top, seem to contact Me and want to experience female domination in private due to hidden, yet very deep, inner desires. Anyway, again, this is just a personal opinion, as inaccurate as it may be! Of course. We all speak based on our personal opinions. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize Again, when I mentioned that it's My personal opinion that "most men have an inner desire to experience loving female authority", never did I say a man must even be submissive nor must he submit to the whole female race. I merely muse upon My personal experiences that men from all walks of life, many who do not even consider themselves "kinky" nor submissive, do have this inner desire. That makes sense. Women can fulfill certain needs for men. (Though I have no idea where gay men fall in this equation). In any case, I don't see how it supports the concept of Female Supremacy however. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize Thanks for the comments!! I do love it when opposing opinions can be shared in a constructive and positive manmer!!!!! Only way to do it, LadyT ;) - LA I'm not suggesting that My opinions suppport the notion of Female Supremacy, but merely that My musings are in line with being a "Female Authoritist" possibly which sprang from research and reading done on information written by Elise Sutton, a reknown Female Supremacist. So, while I do not believe any ONE type, race, creed, etc., is superior over another, I do feel that SOME men, ok LOTS of men, do posses an innate desire, sometimes suppressed, sometimes denied, sometimes realized, to periodically either be controlled, be dominated sexually or non-sexually, or submit to the "loving female authority" of one particular Women - not to submit to the entire female race! As for gay men........well, I seem to be often surrounded by gay men who while do not desire Me sexually do seem do crave being around a "High Femme Domme" like Me and they do look often look to Dominant Women for support and/or direction, as well as the occassional BDSM-only, non-sexual type of scene. But, back to My feelings ..... one example of support in My notions might be........ (Disclaimer: clothes do not make the woman, but are used below entirely as part of an example!!) take a confident, charismatic, charming, confident, confident Woman dressed stylishly in authoritative attire, be it a severe business suit and silk shirt; a tight, long skirt and matching blouse; a loud animal-print coat; even jeans and a leather jacket; or the best is a pair of black leather pants and a silk shirt, or some outfit that matches and loudly or proudly conveys her confident, dominant, and secure personality. Hell, most Dommes that I know could pull off this scenario merely wearing jeans and a t-shirt, shorts and sneakers or their bathrobe..... anyway, have this woman stroll through the mall and see the reaction of MOST men who cross her path..... most will look and begin to immediately fantasize on various subjects about what this woman could do to him. Possibly the thoughts are sexual, possibly they are not and are involving more role-play scenarios, possibly it's a "Mommy" vision, or even business scenarios, but most often occuring might be visions of how this Woman could "dominate" him on some level. From henpecked husbands to power-broker CEO's, gay men included who are drawn to the "Diva" and "Femme" nature of this Woman, to young boys with a Mrs. Robinson complex, to playboys who think this might be their match or even that they might be the one to tame her, to the shoesalesmen who took much interest in My spike-heeled shoe purchases to the point of slipping Me his business card while he kept peeping at Me through downcast eyes...... My point is that the ratio of men who would look, have their breath caught short and begin to fantasize about being captive to an authoritative position with this Woman are greater than the amount of men who would walk by and not even notice her presence. Ummmm, dare I say 75% or more of the men encountered by such a woman would be affected and left wanting "loving female authority" or even sadistic female domination! wicked grins (Another disclaimer: I am not professing to be able to read the minds of men....well, maybe a tad! chuckles Again, I am going from personal experiences and the resulting conversations with men who have experienced such occassions, and the stories told to Me by men who have had such "mall encounters"!!) Delayed response here, but engaging conversations, I think!!!

mantis65 -> RE: Women in Control (3/10/2005 11:00:48 AM)
quote: I don't think that most submissive men want just any female authority but rather want to pick the woman they want to submit too, in which case only one woman is "supreme" to them, not the female gender as a whole Ugh this may sound bad but I am very submissive around most woman they will ask me out of everyone else present to do something for them because I tend to not give it much thought and do it. yes i sort of get used by my freinds I volunteer if not asked to do something. This isn’t a sexual submission there’s no kick I get out of it just something I do. My mother was a very strong person (in some ways) and instilled this behavior in me. Not sexual submissive but I have this desire to please them. That said there are woman that rub me the wrong way and I will stand up for myself. I am one of those people that could only have one mistress, like I said am submissive to a degree a around most woman. But I am not going kneel down polish just any strange Woman’s boots with my tongue. Some of us male submissive have mixed feelings about the female supremacy idea. It’s sort of like the Gor thing in it set ups pseudo-science theories to rationalize slavery of one gender or a set of people as unworthy of rights. On the opposite end of the spectrum it plays into our submissive fantasies of a world were men are given “no choice” in their roles as slaves. I think subs of both genders have this denial of choice fantasy with maybe a hold over from when we discovered we wanted to be a sub or slave and felt guilt. no choice = no guilt. That’s just how I feel about I reserve the right to be wrong! mantis

LadyAngelika -> RE: Women in Control (3/11/2005 4:34:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize I'm not suggesting that My opinions suppport the notion of Female Supremacy, but merely that My musings are in line with being a "Female Authoritist" possibly which sprang from research and reading done on information written by Elise Sutton, a reknown Female Supremacist. So, while I do not believe any ONE type, race, creed, etc., is superior over another, I do feel that SOME men, ok LOTS of men, do posses an innate desire, sometimes suppressed, sometimes denied, sometimes realized, to periodically either be controlled, be dominated sexually or non-sexually, or submit to the "loving female authority" of one particular Women - not to submit to the entire female race! What I will agree with you on is that some people "do posses an innate desire, sometimes suppressed, sometimes denied, sometimes realized, to periodically either be controlled, be dominated sexually or non-sexually, or submit to" someone. Yes I have taken your words out of context. Mia culpa. No hard feelings I hope. Domination isn't about gender in my eyes. It's about personality. There are dominant people and submissive people. I also believe that they are equal in value, one not being supreme over the other. I understand the arguments that were stated in the favour of female supremacy. I'm not denying their validity. I just find that when one chooses to boil it down to the concept, shall I say dogma of Female Supremacy is elitism at the very least. - LA

Service2 -> RE: Women in Control (3/29/2005 9:26:20 AM)
I do believe in Female supremacy as man i would be happy to be controlled 24/7. Men should be round up and placed into auction. 2. Men should be force into becoming second-class citzens with low paid jobs- only women be allowed to vote or take top jobs. We men make mistake after mistake look at the world, us men have nearly destroyed our planet. It's time for women to rise up and take control by what ever means necessary.

indydomme -> RE: Women in Control (3/30/2005 7:42:47 AM)
In all seriousness, in ancient cultures, women were revered, they were symbols of fertility, knowledge, wisdom... Men would pray to goddesses of firtility that they would have a good harvest, or goddesses of wisdom in dealing with crises... Women were the healers, women were the spiritual advisors. When did this change? What made it change? I have my own ideas but I want to hear what others have to say first. :) There is no reason why women can't assume these roles. They are roles that were ours for centuries. I am all for women's lib. If a woman wants a man's job, and she can do it, by god let her, and pay her the same as that man. But also, if a woman chooses to stay at home and raise her children while her husband works, that is also her choice. Either of these women may be considered Dominant or not, and not just by their role in society. If a man wants to submit to a woman, if something in him is burning to submit, then the dominant woman who takes him on is doing him a service. They are helping each other in their mutual times of need. I get very frustrated at people who look down on either dominants or submissives, or even both, just because they think, in their own narrow minds, that submission or domination is an evil thing that has no place in this world. Look at nature, males and females of other species work out their places in life. No one critizes the Lioness for bringing home the bacon. No one critizes the male kangaroo for taking care of his new born, carrying it in his pouch... It's all about how and where we function best, what is best for us emotionally and physcially, and where we fit in in the grand scheme of things. Though I do have to say that dominance does not equate supremecy. I think that supremecy as an idea is very arrogant and breeds hate in itself. I wouldn't even go so far as to say dominance is equal to superiority either. I don't look down on my submissives as lower than me. I am not superior to them, just dominant. That's all. That doesn't make me more or less as a person than any of them. Ok, I've got to stop, I'll go on forever. Miss Erin

Floridapussyboy -> RE: Women in Control (3/31/2005 12:42:48 PM)
i must confess to having realised my overwhelming desire for submission to Women demonstrate/exude/exibit an aura of dominance ever since my 13th year. As an 8th grade student my masturbatory fantasies would revolve around being taken as it were, by several Female classmates, forced to strip, kneel, then subjected to a myriad of humiliations, tortures and sexual abuses. That feeling has remained with me all these many years later. I believe it first surfaced when the 17 yo Female sitter i was left with at age 8-10 would have me undress for Her and several teenage Girlfriends. It was at this time that my first enormous erections would occur, much to Their amusement and enjoyment. It would seem that my submissiveness was awakened by those wonderful young Women. A debt of gratitude will forever be owed to Them by me. Women are superior to men in most ways..in my mind anyway. For me, any Woman is welcome to take and use me as She desires.

goodmanners -> RE: Women in Control (4/30/2005 6:26:34 AM)
I'm a believer in Fem Supremacy. i think the world needs 'balance', and a reversal to FS will offer the contra to what we have expereinced over the past several thousand years. Once Women have assumed control, many adjustments will occur; some long overdue, perhaps some simply to punish for effect. The main change will be one of priorities and hopefully much less violence and war. goodmanners

LadyAngelika -> RE: Women in Control (4/30/2005 8:26:40 AM)
And will Female Supremacy also stop world hunger and rebuild the ozone? - LA

goodmanners -> RE: Women in Control (4/30/2005 11:29:40 AM)
Certainment, Madam, once you tell us men to do so.[;)]

LadyAngelika -> RE: Women in Control (4/30/2005 7:10:56 PM)
I hope you enjoy your time in utopia :) - LA

QnofH3arts -> RE: Women in Control (5/6/2005 8:13:30 AM)
quote: It's all about how and where we function best, what is best for us emotionally and physcially, and where we fit in in the grand scheme of things. We were made the way that we were for a reason: survival of the species. Bottom line is that we are all animals on this planet; men maybe more so than women ;) It's not about Female Supremacy or male inferiority; It's about accepting our given role in life. While the following does not hold true for ALL humans, I believe it does not because of extraneous issues that have smothered our instincts as we have evolved. I believe we all have it in our genes (discussions on homosexuality being a separate issue here.) Women were genetically designed to be the nurturers/teachers/homemakers, providing stability and discipline. Men were genetically designed to be the providers/protectors and propogators of humankind, more primal and instinctive. We were each designed, mentally, emotionally and physically, to fill those given roles. Example: While it may be a man's instinct to spread his genes as far and wide as possible, (which explains man's fascination with his penis) it is a woman's instinct to control that behavior and channel it into something more productive to the survival of those genes and the species as a whole. Simply break each action of a woman or a man down to it's most basic impulse and you will have your proof of these genetic/instinctive roles, regardless of whether that action appears to be dominant or submissive. The attitude with which we do things is a product of our upbringing, surroundings, societal mores, religious values, and other influences, but our instincts drive us to do those things. Some of us embrace those instincts; some choose to reject them, but, they are still the foundation for all behavior.

MundaneEgg -> RE: Women in Control (5/7/2005 10:37:45 AM)
Greetings Mistress Jasmyn and all the Dommes on this thread: i am a firm believer in the superiority of Women over men. Until such time as this may be realized globally Mistress and i feel that this could be practiced in pockets around the world. In O/our case Female superioity is practiced in O/our relationship - not just during the session. She also practises it with Her female friends. i am to serve and respect them under Her control of course. She also teaches that if i want to truly serve Her i must be respectful to all Woman that i encounter. By men giving Woman respect and dignity - perhaps this helps Them to be empowered and help Them on Their own journey toward superiority.

APhacetoSit -> RE: Women in Control (5/7/2005 11:48:08 PM)
with the humblest respect Ma'am, where in society does Female Supremacy not exist? my biggest confusion was women rallying for "equal rights" why would You want to settle for that?

QnofH3arts -> RE: Women in Control (5/8/2005 1:09:23 AM)
quote: with the humblest respect Ma'am, where in society does Female Supremacy not exist? my biggest confusion was women rallying for "equal rights" why would You want to settle for that? Before women rallied for equal rights, We were considered "second class citizens", not having the right to vote, nor receiving equal pay for equal work, amongst other inequities. Maybe you are not old enough to remember that or did not study it in your history classes in school?

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