LadyEllen
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No, you missed the point there. About the similarity between Christian bashers today and Nazisism...
What I see in much of what portrays itself as Christian today, is akin to naziism. (btw, can we all agree not to capitalise naziism? It doesnt warrant it).
But this is not a surprise, since naziism relies for so much of its dogma, on a perversion of Christianity.
That so many people who like to think of themselves as Christian, have not contemplated this fact, is why so much of Christianity comes across as akin to naziism; the scapegoating of one or other group for the problems in the world, and the promise that the destruction of such group is essential, along with anyone else who disagrees with their approach in even the smallest way - evolutionists, for instance.
To me, its simple. A Christian is one who has faith that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross in the place of the believer, is sufficient for them to be purified before their God, subject to the believer associating himself with Jesus through not only faith, but works. Anyone can claim that faith, but as I believe it says in the NT somewhere, "faith without works is dead".
And there's the thing; the works that so many Christians perform, if they perform any at all, are not only not along lines that would associate them with Jesus' reported character and deeds, but are in fact totally opposite to that goal. And this is nothing new; it has ever been the case, the difference today being that the media technology being employed allows this error to be perpetrated to greater extent.
Of course, this does not mean that everyone who calls themself Christian is in error, merely that the impression we get is that this is the case. This I believe, is down to the fact that the emptiest vessels always make the most noise, and that the true Christian, having understood and associated with Jesus' humility does not require or seek out audience, and so goes unnoticed.
Its also not to say that Christian morality is necessarily a bad thing, but then its not a great deal different as a system in that sense to any other religion. Where it goes awry is in its reliance on sources which Jesus specifically resisted; much of the OT and much of the NT unfortunately, which latter tends to repeat much of the earlier Judaic/Mosaic teachings, because after all the people concerned were Jewish and that was the viewpoint from which they understood Jesus and his mission.
This is also something which many Christians miss; that the purpose of the OT is to show that Jesus is the promised Messiah, sent by God. It is not meant to form any part of or to influence that which Jesus taught or wants for us, and yet it is so often permitted to be part and to influence. The OT could be argued to be divinely inspired, yet it is still a work of man and must therefore be held secondary at best to that which Jesus as God preached. That much of its intolerance and hatred is repeated in the NT is natural given the situation of the players, but this is not to say that it is necessarily a good thing; the players were human, not divine. Neither is it essential for Christians or Christianity to hold true anything in the OT above the divine lineage of Jesus; divine creation is not requisite, for instance.
So, Domiguy's sig line is apt in the circumstances of our world; it calls on Jesus to protect from those who claim to be his followers, the inference to me being that it does not call for protection from those who have associated themselves with Jesus through atonement (at-one-ment) through faith in him and consequent works.
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