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Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/4/2007 1:06:12 PM   
LadyFeline


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When I first came to collarme, I was approached by many older male slaves and subs. Many of them were divorced or "about to divorce" their wives, My question is

Have any of you been approached by divorced subs/slaves?
Why are there more divorced slaves or subs around?

If anyone has thoughts, please tell me your story, I'd really appreciate it...
My slave is divorced twice, and I thought I'd look into what others thought.
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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/4/2007 1:11:08 PM   
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from what ive been told by many Daddy's, they are divorcing or divorced because they didnt marry theyre match, or, she subbed for a while then changed her mind, or even better, theyre still married, and their wives know and do/nt approve of what they are doing because it dowent suit them (the wives)
any way, they didnt find what they needed till they found us

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/4/2007 1:28:46 PM   
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Yes, I have been approached by many, many divorced subs and slaves.  To be honest, I actually prefer divorced men.  Many of them divorced because they were unhappy and unfulfilled in a vanilla marriage.  Their experience helped them gain more clarity as to what they are seeking.   Others divorced for different reasons.  Sometimes people end up growing in different directions.
 
Men that are "separated" or "about to divorce" their wives I avoid like the plague.  I have seen this type of situation go on and on for years, and I have no interest.  I tell them to contact me after the divorce is final, and if I'm still looking, we'll talk.  I have made the mistake of getting involved in these situations in the past, and all I can say is "never again."  As far as men that are still married---OUT OF THE QUESTION.
 
As far as slaves who have reached the age of forty or so and never been married, I have found many of them are seeking this non-existant perfect woman and will waste a lot of time.  However, I am still willing to take a chance with them if I get the right feeling.  Widowed men can be good prospects as long as they are not too hung up on the memory of their deceased wife.  I look at the amount of  time that has passed since their wife's death and how much they mention her when I am interviewing them.  If enough time has passed and they are getting on with their lives, I would certainly consider them.
 
So in summary, divorced is my preference, never-been-married and widowed are people I would consider, and married, separated, "soon to get a divorce," "in the process of getting a divorce," or any variation on that theme I don't give the time of day.
 
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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/4/2007 1:49:44 PM   
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well, Lady Topaz sure gave me something to think about!

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/4/2007 1:57:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyFeline
Why are there more divorced slaves or subs around?


I am not sure how the relative proportion of divorcees compare between vanilla persons and BDSM enthusiasts.

I can see how an attempt to supress BDSM interests for sake of a vanilla marriage followed by discontent could lead to higher divorce rates. And I can see how the limited pool of partners could create a greater tendency to compromise on compatibility, which could cause the relationship to later collapse. Aside from these factors, I don't see any aspect specific to submission or dominance to cause a higher divorce rate.

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Sea

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/4/2007 4:18:11 PM   
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Thank you, this has been most... enlightening. I do appreciate it.

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/4/2007 4:21:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyFeline

When I first came to collarme, I was approached by many older male slaves and subs. Many of them were divorced or "about to divorce" their wives, My question is

Have any of you been approached by divorced subs/slaves?
Why are there more divorced slaves or subs around?

If anyone has thoughts, please tell me your story, I'd really appreciate it...
My slave is divorced twice, and I thought I'd look into what others thought.


Blah, blah, blah.

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/4/2007 6:37:03 PM   
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Feline, you're only 20....in 15 years, you'll be hard pressed to find guys that haven't been divorced.

You have two factors going on here - the first, that the divorce rate is extremely high;  second, that when you look in older age groups, the "single" gents are more likely to have been divorced than never married.   It's honestly not a big deal anymore - dealing with someone who's been divorced is like dealing with anyone who's been in a relationship and had it end - you don't want him to be overly bitter about the ex and you want him to have learned something positive from the experience. 

As for the "nearly separated" or "nearly divorced"....you do have to be careful to make sure they're not just "nearly telling the truth".  Maintaining a separate residence and having filed divorce preceedings is a minimum requirement, IMHO.   If they haven't gotten that far -for whatever reason - then they're probably not ready to move on to another relationship.

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/5/2007 3:34:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsSonnetMarwood

As for the "nearly separated" or "nearly divorced"....you do have to be careful to make sure they're not just "nearly telling the truth".  Maintaining a separate residence and having filed divorce preceedings is a minimum requirement, IMHO.   If they haven't gotten that far -for whatever reason - then they're probably not ready to move on to another relationship.



Thank you for making that distinction.  There are many things that are often beyond the control of one seeking a divorce that can cause it to drag on and on and on...(sigh)  
 
A person may be ready to move on with their life, but their former, or soon to be former spouse, may not.  The spouse may decide to use the courts as a way of trying to make the other "pay" for whatever grievances they may have in their minds against the other. 
 
Sadly, they can often choose to use the legal system to express their anger and deplete all the assets the two may have accumulated at the same time.  It is absolutely absurd to witness some of the the things the legal system will permit to happen when two people divorce!

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/5/2007 5:20:18 PM   
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I can understand your question in that you're only 20years old.  The fact for me at 40 is that if I meet a man who has not had a long term cohabitation or marriage, I wonder whether he can...  I don't hold marriage/divorce against anyone, being divorced myself.   I simply try to figure out if the person is emotionally divorced, and to the extent possible (as long as it is within my control), I don't get involved with men who are still legally/emotionally serving/bound to another, but that is my opinion and position.   M

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/5/2007 6:08:20 PM   
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I am a divorced submissive.  I have been divorced now for ten years.  Personally I have found that having been married for ten years really helped me to know what to look for in my next potential mate.  My ex-wife was unfaithful and as such trust was an issue with me.  The woman I have met and choose to live my life with (we met through ALT) is exactly the woman I had been dreaming of.  Having been through a bad relationship and subsequent divorce really gives you some clarity as to what you find important in a potential mate.  To me it is honesty, intelligence, thoughtfulness, caring and sexually open.  These are in the order that I feel is important to me.  As you can see, the sexual aspect of the relationship is not high on the list.  I find intellectual women very attractive on many levels.  My Mistress just happens to be all of the above with a high level of kink thrown in.  It also helps that as far as the lifestyle goes, we mesh perfectly as well.  My fantasies match hers almost identically.  I guess my point is that given age (I am 42) and experience (having been married) a divorced person can tend to be more focused on their desires, both in a mate and what they are interested in sexually.  

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/5/2007 6:12:09 PM   
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I've never been married, so I never got around to being divorced. For some women, that's even worse than having been married. I don't know. I just never found the right person at the right time. I've often found the wrong person at the right time and the right person at the wrong time, but just not the better alternative.

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/5/2007 7:16:37 PM   
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Divorced is a relationship in the past -- it's the past, not really my concern.

Relationships though that continue to demand time from someone are a primary concern of mine. Almost divorced or separated isn't enough; having children is a big deal killer for me too.

If someone is going to be my slave he/she has to be able to make me first in his/her life. Can't do that if you have spouses, kids, or parents even that require your time.

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/5/2007 7:32:43 PM   
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Divorced is a relationship in the past -- it's the past, not really my concern.

Relationships though that continue to demand time from someone are a primary concern of mine. Almost divorced or separated isn't enough; having children is a big deal killer for me too.

If someone is going to be my slave he/she has to be able to make me first in his/her life. Can't do that if you have spouses, kids, or parents even that require your time.


I agree that to be a total, devoted slave you have to be 100% uncommitted to anyone or thing in life.  However, most of the Dominant Women that are looking for a slave want them to be gainfully employed.  Does that not hinder your power over your slave.  I would think there would be responsibilities that come along with work that would interfere as well.  Am I wrong?   To find a slave without kids is one thing, to find one without siblings, aunts uncles and parents is another.  My Mistress has an eight year old son.  Not exactly a perfect setup to have a d/s relationship.  But we work around it.  I know my place with her and when her son is with her our positions do not change, we just don't have the whips and chains out.  I am still submissive to her and she is still dominant over me.  Someone in the lifestyle would probably pick it up, but others would just think i am whipped. 

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/5/2007 7:38:01 PM   
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Having been divorced myself  I know in my case it helped clarify in my mind what I was looking for. When I found my husband I knew what I was looking for.

My favorite play toy is divorced. I don't hold it against him. In his case it helps him know what he's looking for...

I don't mind divorced, I don't mind divorced with children since I have a life of my own and don't have time for full time subs. I won't play married unless their wife is standing there in the room.

Just don't lie to me.




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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/5/2007 8:00:37 PM   
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However, most of the Dominant Women that are looking for a slave want them to be gainfully employed. 
Since we are all slaves to the need to pay for housing and a reasonably comfortable living, why should it be her doing all of the slaving at work?  If anyone should have to slave at work, it should be the slave in  the relationship.   Having said that, I don't ever intend to stop working, but I don't get the mindset that says "you stay home and I go to work" is the way it should be...  If any rules should be followed, it should be the dominant says whether you're more useful to him/her working, or at home unemployed.   I've been with someone who'd have been more useful unemployed, but he was additionally not helpful at home or very obedient, so he had to go.    M

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/5/2007 8:14:29 PM   
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However, most of the Dominant Women that are looking for a slave want them to be gainfully employed. 
Since we are all slaves to the need to pay for housing and a reasonably comfortable living, why should it be her doing all of the slaving at work?  If anyone should have to slave at work, it should be the slave in  the relationship.   Having said that, I don't ever intend to stop working, but I don't get the mindset that says "you stay home and I go to work" is the way it should be...  If any rules should be followed, it should be the dominant says whether you're more useful to him/her working, or at home unemployed.   I've been with someone who'd have been more useful unemployed, but he was additionally not helpful at home or very obedient, so he had to go.    M


I was simply referring to TheTammyJo and her comment that she wanted to be first, before all else.  I can see a conflict with that and work.  I don't think any Domme wants to support their slave, but some of the ads that I see would infer they want true slaves, and to me a true slave, or piece of property would never leave the home or have a life outside of whatever the Domme gives them.

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/5/2007 8:47:58 PM   
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From those I have chatted with,its due to them wanting to be able to live the Lifestyle they want and when their spouse(I think it goes both ways) doesnt accept it they at some point have to move on.

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/6/2007 5:46:05 AM   
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Divorced is a relationship in the past -- it's the past, not really my concern.

Relationships though that continue to demand time from someone are a primary concern of mine. Almost divorced or separated isn't enough; having children is a big deal killer for me too.

If someone is going to be my slave he/she has to be able to make me first in his/her life. Can't do that if you have spouses, kids, or parents even that require your time.


I agree that to be a total, devoted slave you have to be 100% uncommitted to anyone or thing in life. However, most of the Dominant Women that are looking for a slave want them to be gainfully employed. Does that not hinder your power over your slave. I would think there would be responsibilities that come along with work that would interfere as well. Am I wrong? To find a slave without kids is one thing, to find one without siblings, aunts uncles and parents is another. My Mistress has an eight year old son. Not exactly a perfect setup to have a d/s relationship. But we work around it. I know my place with her and when her son is with her our positions do not change, we just don't have the whips and chains out. I am still submissive to her and she is still dominant over me. Someone in the lifestyle would probably pick it up, but others would just think i am whipped.


A submissive may well have a job.

By my definition though a slave would have a job only if that is what he owner wants. The slave may not even want a job (Fox would be much happier without one but I see the financial situation and I determined he needs a job for himself and for the family).

Jobs come and go, people change jobs often. I don't think most people cast off human relationships, especially those related by blood, as easily as jobs. Consider how poorly many of us think of someone who places work committments over family -- family is expected to come first. If I own someone, he/she joins my family and that means my family comes first.

Am I selfish to want to be first and foremost? Damn right! In my opinion that is part of what being a slave owner is about -- putting yourself first, the owner coming first. That does not mean the slave or others aren't important but that one person is more "important".

Being a good and wise owner means realizing that while you may have authority and the first position in any decision, you have the responsibility to think of everyone and do what is best for everyone.

I guess this might seem complicated to some one reading this. It doesn't feel complicated to me because this is how my family and my household has worked for over a decade.

It doesn't have to be your way, but the OP didn't ask for a universal way, it asked for individual feedback about being approached by divorced or soon to be divorced subs wanting to be slaves. That was my feedback on this question. It was never intended to be yours or anyone else's.

Likewise the question was about being approached by this particular category of people. Once one has an established relationship things can happen and things can change and you must be flexible. You can be far less flexible when things are starting out because you have no committment and no promises to continue beyond the initial stages. At least I don't, I personally would consider it foolish to jump into owning someone.

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RE: Divorced Subs/Slaves - 2/9/2007 11:54:14 AM   
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Hey, I'm writing a paper on divorced males in general, would it be alright if I used some of this stuff?

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