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pahunkboy -> RE: adults who return back to school! (2/7/2007 9:37:43 AM)

MasterKalif,   a very interesting post indeed. [thanks!]

online courses are as it turns out more structured then I thought. I dont need a degree- I am after then knowledge. The one course- it is more like the profesor is teaching his religion. his way or the door!  ild love to ask him- how much he has made in cash off of his online e-cmmerce pursuits. LOL. i bet not much.

I am afraid to check in today.

Curiously I have learned alot on THIS site. At the moment more here then thus far in my 2 college courses.

Next time- I will take NON credit courses.

:-D




pahunkboy -> RE: adults who return back to school! (2/7/2007 12:41:01 PM)

the reply--------------------
Roger:

I will continue with your cinematic metaphor so far as to cite a line from Dragnet - "Just the facts".

Records indicate you registered one day before the start of class, so you should have had access to WebCT for most of the time. That said, I notice your first recorded "visit" to the classroom did not happen until Jan. 18th. I don't know if you did not have access to WebCT during that time, or if you chose to wait until the 8th day of class before attending.

E-commerce is a topic discussed in detail later in the class. I think you will find some of the information enlightening. As indicated in the syllabus, there is much additional information presented prior to this topic.

You keep refering to "your book". To be clear, it is the book I use, not a book I have written. It might be clearer to use the term "the book" where authorship is not implied or inferred.

Regarding your comment about WebCT. WebCT is a site using proprietary software for a specific mission - to communicate information to groups of people simultaneously in a closed and monitored environment. The concepts of web site design discussed in the text will not apply to WebCT.

About the syllabus....
My syllabus is one of the most complete and detailed documents of its kind you will find. I outline, in a week by week basis, the materials to be covered, going as far as to include page numbers for reading assignments and specifics on content to be evaluated in quizzes. You are correct in asserting the syllabus is THE place to go for information about the class.

Class Participation - The syllabus clearly states how points are earned via email responses. Points are earned by measuring student's responses to 30 posted questions (worth 5 points each). It's simple.

1. You read the question(s) posted for each part as clearly displayed in both the Discussions area AND the Media Library.
2. You reply to those questions AS INSTRUCTED. That's where you have experienced problems. The correct method of response is always indicated - DISCUSSION, MAIL, or via QUIZ.
Your statement "I aimed my participation at the message boards" confuses me. I don't know why you think you have a choice regarding how you will participate.

1. The method of participation is stated - responses to posted questions.
2. The method of the response is stated within the body of the question - DISCUSSION, MAIL, or via QUIZ. If you completely read Discussion Post #6
what are the instructions for the reply?
"These questions are to be copied, pasted, and answered in a document (.doc or .rtf) to be sent to me as an attachment using MAIL."
The first emboldened words in Post 7-9 read - "Part 1 Discussion responses for questions 7-9 are to be answered via quiz 111Pt01_Pst7-9_SP07".

These directions cannot be made clearer. It is expected the student will read and follow them. When that doesn't happen no points are earned.

I applaud your efforts to be engaged in the class - to participate. However, the participation has stipulations, parameters, etc that need to be followed - and that is where the disconnect is occurring.

The means of earning points through replies to posted questions is clear.

The reply must be within the designated time frame - PART 1 posts by the conclusion of PART 1, PART 2 post by the conclusion of PART 2, etc. Consult your calendar for more detail.
The reply must be made in the manner designated -
MAIL, DISCUSSION, or QUIZ.

I hope this clarifies your concern, misunderstanding, etc. about participation and replies to posted questions. Frankly, I have no more to offer on the subject.

Please feel free to post additional information you consider relevant to lecture topics. Just understand that these contributions are not assessed point values.




pahunkboy -> RE: adults who return back to school! (2/7/2007 12:50:07 PM)

"Frankly, I have no more to offer on the subject."


so much for dialog....  hmp glunk.    *bows before professor god*




SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: adults who return back to school! (2/7/2007 1:27:08 PM)

Hang in there PA.

I'm gonna vent a little here and apologize for my hijack...

I just started back to school at 40 (soon to be 41). The nearest person in age to me is 30 years old. The instructor for the course is 28. Four months into it I have the highest grade point average in class as well as the highest rate of completion on labs. I get " oh it's easy for you, you're alot older." From the instructor as well as other students, most of which are barely in their 20's.

No, it isn't easier for me. I work my ass off is the difference. I'm not out drinking with my buds until 3 am. I'm studying until the sun comes up because I'm working for 8+ hours most days after I get out of classes. I'm working my ass off because I'm paying the tuition instead of going to school on Daddy's dime. I show up for class instead of staying in bed with a hangover. I go to lab and do the work rather than go out drinking for lunch, and last but not least, I'm paying attention and taking notes instead of texting back and forth with the cutie in the 3rd row or whispering about how hot the instructor is with the back row.

I have an unmentionable the same age as most of my classmates and the maturity level is amazingly different. I've called him a number of times in the ensuing months to thank him for being such an amazing and mature young man. It's a medical course and there was actually a 15 minute debate over the correct pronunciation of the word clitoris...after all the giggling stopped. Somedays I just want to scream 'grow the fuck up..one of us is here to actually learn something" Note..this is not a generalization of all people that age, simply those that are attending my course program.

sorry for the rant PA...it's been an especially trying day...back on topic...it is difficult to go back after an extended period of time. The payoff in the end is what you work towards. Whether it's the degree or the learning experience doesn't mattter...the accomplishment is what is worthwhile. I've learned a new mantra " It's going to be worth it in the end; I just have to get through this without killing someone first." 




pahunkboy -> RE: adults who return back to school! (2/7/2007 2:24:21 PM)

SDFemDom4cuck

Good post. It adds perspective. :-)




corsetgirl -> RE: adults who return back to school! (2/7/2007 6:24:54 PM)

Hang in there Pahunk!  I went back to college at 38 years old and was a step-mother to 4 children.  That was not so easy for me as my husband at that time, did not support my educational goals.  This course took  five years for me to graduate and get my bachelor's degree.  The professors at my university were awesome.  I also took some online courses and did very well but it takes a lot of discipline.  In fact, you remind me of one of my professors who told me he dropped out of an "Ivy League University" because he complained there were not enough practical applications applied to all of this theory courses.  He also did not like the professors with the holier than thou attitude, either.

I also underwent an accelerated teacher's certification program and most of the instructors were also great, except for one principal who was very lazy and submitted her grades at a very late date, which added a lot anxiety.   This course was so stringent that a student had to attend ALL classes and the minimum grade level to pass was a "B".  If the student had a C, he or she could not go on to the next course and had to drop out.   

Good Luck....




SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: adults who return back to school! (2/7/2007 11:13:09 PM)

pahunk

Again, sorry for the side track and rant...it was a very bad day. Then again, perhaps it served to give perspective that things could be worse??? Regardless, stay focused on the goal. You'll be fine.




ownedgirlie -> RE: adults who return back to school! (2/8/2007 1:55:54 AM)

I am a returning student.  I have learned right quickly to play the politically correct game and just do what I must to get through.  One student in my English Lit class (online course) emailed the entire class, asking if our papers had been graded yet (our instructor was a little slow).  She was lambasted by the instructor and felt her grades were affected by this.  My instructor was also a huge proponent of pulling women out of submission, and started many a discussion on the bulletin board about how weak and terrible it was to be submissive to your man.  I grumbled a lot but it wasn't worth it to me, other than to post a few posts about how there really are people who feel more comfortable in such roles.   I ended up with an A in the class but I think had I created a stir I would have had more trouble, since the grades were subjective.  I wonder if that makes me a grade whore...lol.

I now find myself in a Statistics class - online, which was a mistake.  Well actually it's considered a Hybrid class - an hour a week in the classroom, the rest online.  So I am basically teaching myself statistics, which is a chore, considering I've been pulling 60 hour weeks at work because of our budget issues.  Off to a bad start and not sure I'll be able to continue.  But I did sit in on the instructors afternoon class for an exam review in which the exam was hardly mentioned (waste of time) and it was hysterical - the class was packed and these kids (sorry to anyone 18-19 here) were all talking back and making comments and it was hard not to laugh.

Good luck to anyone going back to school!  It's certainly a challenge trying to balance it all.




MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: adults who return back to school! (2/8/2007 3:50:44 AM)

With anything in life, you have to pick your battles.  And considering what it takes to get through college at whatever age, there ain't NOTHING wrong with being a grade whore LOL   You can't get a diploma just for your personal beliefs.

I wouldn't recommend taking any online class that is a subject in which you are NOT comfortable teaching yourself, because that's what an online course it.  While I know some folks that love them because of the time flexibility, you do remove having a teacher other than yourself effectively from the equation - it's you, the book, and someone available via email/phone if you get stuck.   That type of set up doesn't work particularly well for me.  I ended up with a B in the online course I took recently, and am fairly pissed about that. 

For myself, I'm one of those students (geeks) who sits in the front row, reads ahead of time, and interacts with the professor.  That's the type of learning environment that works best for me.   I can't miss many classes because I lose it.   I study like crazy for tests.   It works for me - I get (other than rare occasions) A's, but I really have to work for them.




ownedgirlie -> RE: adults who return back to school! (2/8/2007 7:23:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MsSonnetMarwood
I wouldn't recommend taking any online class that is a subject in which you are NOT comfortable teaching yourself, because that's what an online course it.  While I know some folks that love them because of the time flexibility, you do remove having a teacher other than yourself effectively from the equation - it's you, the book, and someone available via email/phone if you get stuck.   That type of set up doesn't work particularly well for me.  I ended up with a B in the online course I took recently, and am fairly pissed about that. 


I agree with this, but working full time doesn't always give me much choice in that.  I did take an afternoon off to sit in my instructor's "offline" class and found she was doing the same thing - referring everyone to the website.  Bleh.  For the other classes I took, I did really well because of the flexibility.  This one is quite challenging, however.




MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: adults who return back to school! (2/8/2007 3:19:29 PM)

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I agree with this, but working full time doesn't always give me much choice in that.  I did take an afternoon off to sit in my instructor's "offline" class and found she was doing the same thing - referring everyone to the website.  Bleh.  For the other classes I took, I did really well because of the flexibility.  This one is quite challenging, however.


I'm fortunate because I was in the position that I could relocate to an inexpensive living situation, and therefor go to school full time, and work only part time.   I also don't have kids, so I am able to make school my priority.

I remember about 10 years ago, some colleges were offering home classes where they would show a taped lecture during overnight hours on the local PBS - the idea was that you set your VCR (Tivo would work now) to tape the class, watch when it was convenient to you, then email the prof the assignments.   WebCT has since taken over - but I wonder if being able to see such a lecture would be better than just online discussions.  Certainly lectures could be available over webcast.  I'm not saying that you skip reading the book, but it's not good to rely just on that to learn how to do something, especially a class like statistics.





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