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hisannabelle -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/6/2007 9:22:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: asassylilslave quote: just one question....why is your name "asassylilslave" why would you care what my name on a forum is? it's very human to want to forge consistency where there is none. you say you don't identify as a slave, but your name says you are asassylilslave, so people just get curious is all :)

tangldupinblue -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/6/2007 9:28:56 PM)
i never identified myself as a slave, would even argue the point to others. but the day that Daddy told me what i was it just all fell into place and it just fit right, now i see the diiference. blue

sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/7/2007 6:09:12 AM)
When I started in the lifestyle 13 years ago I did not identify as a slave. After 4 or so years I felt my needs were different than other subs. I felt more of a need to dedicate my being to others needs. I put my Master first before all else and his limits became mine. TPE is a part of our defintion as a slave. He commands I obey. He owns every part of me and it is his to choose what to do. I enjoy reading others defintions because none are a wrong defintion. It is nice to see a positive thread on slaves. Thank you.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/7/2007 8:38:44 AM)
quote: It is nice to see a positive thread on slaves…orig:sweetnurseBBW It sure is!!! Many, many thanks to all who responded. Those of you who are familiar with Master’s posts know that He is adamant and confident in “His” way--not that it is “THE ONE TRUE WAY” for everyone. In fact, the reason this slave was allowed to participate in these forums to begin with was to have access to information on other’s ways, ideas and experiences. To witness and interact with others regarding aspects of WIITWD as they walk the path of their own way was/is something Master desires for His slave to experience. this message board as well as attending various munches, groups, clubs, dungeons, fund-raisers, FOLSOM!!!, conventions, workshops, demos, private and/or public-invited parties have all been resources for this slave to learn, socialize and have fun~Thank YOU, Master, for demanding/allowing this slave's participation!!! It was, and still is, important to Master that His slave have access to others who could share their views, experiences and thoughts about WIITWD…He did not want to be the sole source of information for this slave. Many a post here has inspired a conversation with Master, regarding a topic this slave has never really given any consideration. this slave is still a newbie to WIITWD, in the sense that her awareness of this M/s type of relationship structure, “lifestyle” if you will, was unknown to her until 4 years ago. Like daddysprop testified, it was a definite “aha!” moment. Since that discovery, it has made perfect sense to identify as slave, for many of the exact same reasons folks gave here as their reason for that choice or basis for that self-identified orientation. given this slave’s background, it seemed a perfect fit, then again, she did not have the typical carefree childhood of self-focus, self-indulgence and self-empowerment that society deems healthy these days. This slave was brought up to see herself as being property, beloved property, of two loving, yet strict, parents…they believed one day they would "transfer ownership" to a husband who would cherish and also use her as He saw fit—to everyone’s benefit. even through two failed marriages, this slave’s parents were always right there, hovering, waiting to take back “ownership” until you-know-who showed up. It wasn’t just the financial aspect, it was the “headspace” of being thought of as owned by another, their will being your focus, blooming where you are planted by them, which is deemed unhealthy by modern society, as a wee one or adult. The following are excerpts from the answers everyone so graciously gave that are meaningful concepts that resonate with this slave. regardless of the particular posters definition of a slave in other threads, these are also some of the things that this slave feels her identity as slave is about. quote: I simply gravitated towards relationships in which it was all taken and there was no ultimate authority remaining on my end…orig: LuckyAlbatross quote: the more archaeic religious models, where a female is considered property from the day she is born, first of her father then of her husband...has always felt more right and natural to me…orig:daddysprop247 quote: I have zero ability when living in this life to be able to make distinction between I have control or say in this but no control and say in this outside of my job and family. For me having to negotiate, do and live that would just be way too stressful and defeat all the great things this life is to me…orig:toservez quote: i give myself fully to Him, i am His property....orig:nightrosemom quote: The simplicity; I like the fact that I know exactly where I am, there aren't the subtle power struggles that I've been accustomed to...orig:agirl quote: During a small spell when i was trying to live in the vanillia world i was merisable and many times felt depressed or anxious as i was trying to be something i am not. …orig:viperess quote: It all comes down to me pleasing another, that look on their face, that sound in their voice. Nothing, I repeat nothing turns me on more than seeing the look on their face. If they're not loving it, then I don't want anything to do with it…orig:mogigo quote: I knew that I wanted to give everything up to one person..not have control over my life..wanted to give pleasure (its where I get mine)...orig:DaDasBiLilFaerie quote: I just…am not comfortable giving parts of myself up and holding others back. if i give up control, i give up -all- control...orig:hisannabelle quote: I am most content, at peace, and happiest when I am living within the boundaries created for me by my Master…orig:ownedgirlie quote: is simply what I am...not sure how you can apply a label, you are what you are...orig:hot1 quote: I am just not able to be in an intimate relationship and have authority. It just doesn't work…orig:kyraofMists quote: I felt more of a need to dedicate my being to others needs. I put my Master first before all else and his limits became mine…orig:sweetnurseBBW All the replies were fantastic, even the ones this slave did not mention specifically, and this slave is very appreciative!!! If anyone else has anything to share, add or ask regarding the topic at hand, it would be most helpful to this slave’s understanding and growth and would be greatly appreciated.

slavekara -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/7/2007 10:52:43 AM)
Greetings All This girl thinks theres a big difference between Tops, Dom's and Masters, same with bottoms, submissives and slaves. This girl apologises if she causes. this girl thinks that Tops and bottoms are on the edge of the whole alternative lifestyle and stay at the mild end, where everything is fun role-playing, if you will. Dom's and submissives have rules and safewords which to an extent the submissive is in overall control. Masters and slaves, the slave gives all power to her Owner, and it is up to the Master how far he wishes to take the girl, with no safewords or limits. Again this girl apologises if she has caused some offense. slave kara (A)

goodpet -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/7/2007 5:32:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 good question beth! i was the ripe old age of 18 when i realized that i wanted and needed to be a slave. why? because it was the only term and the only relationship-type feasibly available to me, living in the ultra modern, politically correct united states of america in 1999. i've known from very early on that i desired a "different" sort of relationship, and that i had "different" needs than i heard others speaking of, although i didn't know the terminology. as soon as i learned about the term "submissive", a light bulb went off in my head like oh! so THAT explains it!...all my struggles, all my seemingly strange ways...it made sense to me all of a sudden. but just as quickly as i realized that i was submissive, i understood that the only sort of relationship that would be fulfilling to me was one in which i was completely owned and controlled by my Partner...totally powerless...his to use and mold to his desires, without limit. it just turned out that "slave" fit those needs and desires. ...... very nicely said..

michaels4evr -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/7/2007 6:05:40 PM)
Because my nature is quite Dominant, rather than submissive, but in my primary love relationship, I seem to be happiest when owned, hence the term "slave." I am motivated by my desire to serve Him. As His slave I have encountered feelings of belonging, peace and contentment I have always wished for. I am sure others looking from the outside in would not view me as a slave, but it's what I feel from the inside out that matters. Although I have pretty much always considered myself slave rather than submissive, it wasn't until a couple of years ago that I really grew into my slavehood. I used to always state that my limits as a slave were anything that violated my own code of ethics, my own sense of right vs. wrong. Well there have been times in this relationship where in my obedience I had to do just that. That was the moment where I truly understood that it is His will that drives me.

Celeste43 -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/8/2007 7:04:04 AM)
From a different point of view as to why I can't identify as slave even though I'm collared and obedient if verbally sassy. Same reason I can't do body modifications. I'm a Jew with relatives who survived the concentration camps. Slavery and body mods to me are things done without consent. Tattoos are numbers on their arms. Body modifications are the atrocities committed by Mengele. Sometimes what we talk about here is heavily affected by what happened in the outside world.

damia -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/8/2007 8:32:17 AM)
When i started in the lifestyle, i did not consider myself a slave. i was a submissive, and never thought i'd want to identify as a slave. But when i met my Master, from the start i wanted to be His, completely. All that i am and all that i have is His. His wishes and demands are the most important things to me. He says 'Do this', i say 'Yes, Sir' without question, UNLESS a) it is dangerous to Him or me, b) there is another way to do it that i would like to present as a possibility because of its efficiency/lower cost/other factors, or c) it breaks a prior promise or requires me to lie (A promise to anyone...like with my job: He wants me to move in with Him, and i told Him i cannot until after March 16, because i am committed to a job where i promised my boss i would stay until a replacement came on that date; and lying i cannot do, because it would be one step back for me with my mental health issues: too much lying when i was a child, now i cannot lie). All my stuff is His; if He wants something, He can take it. my body, my clothes (meaning He can rip holes or destroy clothes...He knows when it can be replaced, and doesn't ruin His favourite clothes for me), my furniture are all His. The only exception is my cat, Sybil. She is mine and His both, but He allows this because she's my baby. i talk too much. Sorry. ~jewel, owned by Wulf

babyboyk -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/8/2007 10:15:32 AM)
for me, i guess ive always been the submissive type, but only recently come to realise i am what i am, & i am more than happy to serve Mistress, & to keep Her happy. for me, i identify myeslf as a slave, because ive been told by others i am not in the slightest Dominant, i guess it is not as easy for males to identify as slaves, let alone submissive, probablly due to so-called societal norms

MasterRobsalayna -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/8/2007 2:11:30 PM)
Wow this is a great topic and everyone has been so soulful and eloquent in their responses. And, yes, seeing positive posts about slaves/slavery is quite refreshing. alayna knew not too long into alayna's first D/s relatonship that alayna is a slave. It is just who alayna is and what alayna feels. alayna is struggling with something and so not to hijack this post will post a question for slaves shortly. All this slave knows is that alayna is lost and empty (not to mention dazed and confused) without Master. The need to serve Him and make Him happy, in all ways, big and small, sexual and not, are what matter and what drives this slave. Thanks for allowing alayna to share.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/9/2007 8:12:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Celeste43 From a different point of view as to why I can't identify as slave even though I'm collared and obedient if verbally sassy. Same reason I can't do body modifications. I'm a Jew with relatives who survived the concentration camps. Slavery and body mods to me are things done without consent. Tattoos are numbers on their arms. Body modifications are the atrocities committed by Mengele. Sometimes what we talk about here is heavily affected by what happened in the outside world. thank you Celeste for bringing forth one of many reasons as to why some folks will not identify as slave. there have certainly been horrible things done in the past to slaves of different cultures, as the stories of those who have come before us attest. this slave can certainly understand not wanting to identify as slave under such circumstances if the word holds such a negative connotation for you.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/9/2007 8:20:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: babyboyk ...for me, i identify myeslf as a slave, because ive been told by others i am not in the slightest Dominant, i guess it is not as easy for males to identify as slaves, let alone submissive, probablly due to so-called societal norms... thank you for your reply!!! could you explain the "societal norms" that you operate under whereby the male is expected to Dominate the female in the relationship? this slave is very curious as it has been this slave's observation, at least in her little corner of America that the more Dominant a male behaves in a relationship, the more it is frowned on by our society. females are encouraged to control their males and any male who tries to control their female is called "abusive", especially by her bevy of girlfriends.

james66 -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/9/2007 8:50:26 AM)
the identity has been there as long as I can remember. can't put a finger on the whys and causes. a birthright maybe. as natural as the summer days are long.... to do with belonging? a place to be....that coupled with a sexual desire....that blends dreams and reality....

toservez -> RE: Why identify as slave? (2/9/2007 9:54:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: babyboyk ...for me, i identify myeslf as a slave, because ive been told by others i am not in the slightest Dominant, i guess it is not as easy for males to identify as slaves, let alone submissive, probablly due to so-called societal norms... thank you for your reply!!! could you explain the "societal norms" that you operate under whereby the male is expected to Dominate the female in the relationship? this slave is very curious as it has been this slave's observation, at least in her little corner of America that the more Dominant a male behaves in a relationship, the more it is frowned on by our society. females are encouraged to control their males and any male who tries to control their female is called "abusive", especially by her bevy of girlfriends. It is the mixed message that American culture is preaching. Women are always right and men are always wrong. Bill Maher accurately describes this as the feminization of America. The really screwed up part is that almost all women will describe someone who they are looking for in terms of strong, outgoing, confident and a leader. So these two concepts are bashing into each other. So it is looked down on if a man acts submissive publicly but it is also looked down on if a woman consistently defers to her man. I truly believe that is one of the main causes of the breakdown in families in America. People are being taught to be and feel one way but it is not completely natural causing much confusion and unhappiness.

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