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Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 2:10:42 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Ron Paul has formed an exploratory commitee, the first step in making a bid for the Presidency. He seems to be in cahootz with Tom Tancredo, and it is speculated that they may wind up being running mates.

When Obama made moises there was a media circus, but when Paul did it they ignoired it. They have good reason, anyone who knows about Ron Paul knows that the media would not be in their so smug position anymore were he elected. Having the power over the FCC would mean big changes in the media industry. And I am sure they wouldn't like it.

Alot of big money tycoons would not like it. For the people raping this country every day enrichening themselves, Ron Paul would be a serious thorn in their side. He would not stop people from making money, of course not, they are allowed to do that under the Law, which to him, and me, is the Constitution. But big money enjoys unfair advantages in the US market, and I am sure dismantling this situation would be hihgh on his list, once elected.

He sees government like the founding Fathers did, in place to rule over big business. They knew how big money gets bigger and greedier until it consumes all in it's path. He believes that the government should not interfere with people's private lives, but has the responsibility to keep big money in check.

Living by the Constitution is something most of us have never done. Your driver's license and tax forms are contracts. You don't need a contract to be born, but a corporation does. Right now the government favors corporations for reasons ranging from the fact that they have the most bribe money, to situation that should be called a conflict of interest.

For example the FDA is staffed with executives of big drug companies. The FCC operates in the interests of big media, triangulating on illegal radio signals and bringing in their own special SWAT team.

It is speculated that the Department of Education would be the first to fall on the axe, and that is fine with me. Our kids are not educated, so it is nothing but a money toilet.

Look it up. He wreites for the American Free Press, which is not free money wise, but what they are saying is that they are free from the manipulation imposed on normal media sources. Born by the efforts of some ex-employees of the Spotlight, which was ordered to dismantle by a US court (now there's a topic, how the hell can they do that, it is a newspser), they prove themselves time and time again.

Now let me tell you this, I have never voted and I will tell you why. I would walk in there and not press any buttons nor make any marks. I would not even go out and vote for Dennis Kucinich, even though I think he is basically good deep down, and wants to do good, and even though I met himk in person, with a friend of his, that is not sufficient impetus to get me to vote for him for President. I do not think he understands the Constitution sifficiently. Consider me the modern version of Horatio Bunch.

If you are not a scholar of this stuff you might not be familiar with the name, Google it. If you have a patriot bone in you I think you will find it very interesting. I would venture to guess that Realone knows the name, and about his interaction with a certain representative who was canvassing for votes one day. The young representative had his own claim to fame other than being a congressman. His name was David Crockett.

If everything I take as true is true, I must hold Paul in the same reverence as Crockett. I have never voted, but if Paul has a snowball's chance in hell I will get out there and vote for him. I think his ideal vision for this country is very close to mine, and I think he is also intelligent enough to know that it cannot be done overnight.

I'm sure he realizes that if the government returned to compliance with the Constitution, hudreds of millions of people would be pissed. No more pensions, but you don't get your tax money back, been done spent in Iraq. (among other places) No this guy is an MD, an obstetrician actually, and I am confident that his cognitive powers would temper his actions. We can't go back overnight. We already know that, but the current regime is moving farther and farther away.

Electing Ron Paul for President would be a milestone, or actually more of a turning point. I think our people would be happier and helthier, and safer. We would regain some of our former respect in the world, and start reducing the animosity the Arab Peoples have against us. With big money escheated out of alot of their windfall profits (presciption drugs come to mind) they might not run as many medical schools.

Better medical care. Dr. Paul no doubt knows what I am talking about. It is getting to the point where they want you to prescribe drugs to a guy who walks in carrying his left arm in his right hand. Everything has gone nuts.

Money is the problem. Well over 90% of Dr. Paul's contributions come from private Citizens, not corporations. And this is all over the country. I mean people send him money rather than EITHER candidate in their own state !

Tancredo got dirty, IMO anyway. He regrets voting for some of the things he voted for. I don't know if he was duped or boughgt, but he did still vote for it. Therefore he should be Vice President. Sometimes it seems Paul's popularity and name familiarity are not up to Tancredo's, but among the People. That is a different story.

So vote for the Paul/Tancredo team. Thing is, they won't win. Well, if maybe people who know get mobilized and go out, flyers, direct mail, possibly a spot of TV ads. You never know.

Tell you this much. When only 30% of the voters show up they smile. That is because they can mobilize masses. You see vote fraud was not invented when they started using the touch screens. There is a joke among those people "Vote early and vote often". Multiple registrations, if a thousand people do it, that is three thousand votes. Doing the higher math, of course you can see the power.

Even electronic voting, as imperfect as it is, has checks and balances. They can only cheat so much. In districts where it is closest, the fraud is the easiest. Proxy ballots work really well, you can put a hundred nof them in your file cabinet. If the phone rings, you bring them out.

In supporting Paul, I would not resort to that nor condone it. You can't fight the truth, and the truth is if Paul's views were in the mainstream media he would already be President. Limit the government, not the People.

Anybody think this is worth a shit, to set the US on a better course ? To regain at least the trust of our allies, not only for our strength, but our restraint ?

What will it take, a total breakdown in our economy and society, what's left of it ?

Sometimes we need to think outside our litttle box. Sometimesn we need to see the bigger picture. Paul believes in the Constitution, therefore as President he would never tell people not to be homosexual or actually heven though he might be against Gay marriage, it is not his decision. And I think he knows that.

While I am pretty sure he is against measures to change the pledge of allegiance, and to take "In God we trust" off the currency, I refuse to befuddle my thinking with such thinhgs. What are you going to be offended when you take a friggin nickel out of your pocket ? He might be against abortion, but I won't even damn him for that. No President could just make abortion illegal just like that. That's why they had decades of court cases. I just thought you should know because if you are over thrity, you payed for it.

This country has been derailed, and I think Dr. Paul is one of the few who can get it back on track. I know his intentions, I know he is going to think things out, I just hope he follows the right path if given the opportunity. Many people will be pissed off, of that there is no doubt, but isn't it worth a shot ? Do you play the lottery ? Do you realize that the stakes are so much higher and the odds are actually better ? That is if we do something.

T
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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 2:59:18 PM   
subfever


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Status: offline 		Of course there's no media circus for Paul. He threatens the PTB, and the media is controlled by the PTB.

Yes, he's my choice:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_808382/tm.htm

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 5:04:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subfever

Of course there's no media circus for Paul. He threatens the PTB, and the media is controlled by the PTB.

Yes, he's my choice:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_808382/tm.htm



I'll be stopping at the top of the mountain every night to make my wishes known that I'd love to see Paul and Tancredo at least be put in a position where they could wreak havoc and embarrass the hell out of the rest of these phony MF's.

Could you actually imagine a few days in office where the emphasis in this country is not to be the ''world cop'' or, to stick our nose is in everyone's business. Could you actually imagine a day in this country where the leader actually says ''no more'' to corporate America? Could you actually imagine a day in this country where we actually have secured borders with a cogent immigration policy?


Yeah...Ron Paul, baby.....




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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 5:07:54 PM   
LTRsubNW


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Ron Paul has formed an exploratory commitee, the first step in making a bid for the Presidency. He seems to be in cahootz with Tom Tancredo, and it is speculated that they may wind up being running mates.

When Obama made moises there was a media circus, but when Paul did it they ignoired it. They have good reason, anyone who knows about Ron Paul knows that the media would not be in their so smug position anymore were he elected. Having the power over the FCC would mean big changes in the media industry. And I am sure they wouldn't like it.

Alot of big money tycoons would not like it. For the people raping this country every day enrichening themselves, Ron Paul would be a serious thorn in their side. He would not stop people from making money, of course not, they are allowed to do that under the Law, which to him, and me, is the Constitution. But big money enjoys unfair advantages in the US market, and I am sure dismantling this situation would be hihgh on his list, once elected.

He sees government like the founding Fathers did, in place to rule over big business. They knew how big money gets bigger and greedier until it consumes all in it's path. He believes that the government should not interfere with people's private lives, but has the responsibility to keep big money in check.

Living by the Constitution is something most of us have never done. Your driver's license and tax forms are contracts. You don't need a contract to be born, but a corporation does. Right now the government favors corporations for reasons ranging from the fact that they have the most bribe money, to situation that should be called a conflict of interest.

For example the FDA is staffed with executives of big drug companies. The FCC operates in the interests of big media, triangulating on illegal radio signals and bringing in their own special SWAT team.

It is speculated that the Department of Education would be the first to fall on the axe, and that is fine with me. Our kids are not educated, so it is nothing but a money toilet.

Look it up. He wreites for the American Free Press, which is not free money wise, but what they are saying is that they are free from the manipulation imposed on normal media sources. Born by the efforts of some ex-employees of the Spotlight, which was ordered to dismantle by a US court (now there's a topic, how the hell can they do that, it is a newspser), they prove themselves time and time again.

Now let me tell you this, I have never voted and I will tell you why. I would walk in there and not press any buttons nor make any marks. I would not even go out and vote for Dennis Kucinich, even though I think he is basically good deep down, and wants to do good, and even though I met himk in person, with a friend of his, that is not sufficient impetus to get me to vote for him for President. I do not think he understands the Constitution sifficiently. Consider me the modern version of Horatio Bunch.

If you are not a scholar of this stuff you might not be familiar with the name, Google it. If you have a patriot bone in you I think you will find it very interesting. I would venture to guess that Realone knows the name, and about his interaction with a certain representative who was canvassing for votes one day. The young representative had his own claim to fame other than being a congressman. His name was David Crockett.

If everything I take as true is true, I must hold Paul in the same reverence as Crockett. I have never voted, but if Paul has a snowball's chance in hell I will get out there and vote for him. I think his ideal vision for this country is very close to mine, and I think he is also intelligent enough to know that it cannot be done overnight.

I'm sure he realizes that if the government returned to compliance with the Constitution, hudreds of millions of people would be pissed. No more pensions, but you don't get your tax money back, been done spent in Iraq. (among other places) No this guy is an MD, an obstetrician actually, and I am confident that his cognitive powers would temper his actions. We can't go back overnight. We already know that, but the current regime is moving farther and farther away.

Electing Ron Paul for President would be a milestone, or actually more of a turning point. I think our people would be happier and helthier, and safer. We would regain some of our former respect in the world, and start reducing the animosity the Arab Peoples have against us. With big money escheated out of alot of their windfall profits (presciption drugs come to mind) they might not run as many medical schools.

Better medical care. Dr. Paul no doubt knows what I am talking about. It is getting to the point where they want you to prescribe drugs to a guy who walks in carrying his left arm in his right hand. Everything has gone nuts.

Money is the problem. Well over 90% of Dr. Paul's contributions come from private Citizens, not corporations. And this is all over the country. I mean people send him money rather than EITHER candidate in their own state !

Tancredo got dirty, IMO anyway. He regrets voting for some of the things he voted for. I don't know if he was duped or boughgt, but he did still vote for it. Therefore he should be Vice President. Sometimes it seems Paul's popularity and name familiarity are not up to Tancredo's, but among the People. That is a different story.

So vote for the Paul/Tancredo team. Thing is, they won't win. Well, if maybe people who know get mobilized and go out, flyers, direct mail, possibly a spot of TV ads. You never know.

Tell you this much. When only 30% of the voters show up they smile. That is because they can mobilize masses. You see vote fraud was not invented when they started using the touch screens. There is a joke among those people "Vote early and vote often". Multiple registrations, if a thousand people do it, that is three thousand votes. Doing the higher math, of course you can see the power.

Even electronic voting, as imperfect as it is, has checks and balances. They can only cheat so much. In districts where it is closest, the fraud is the easiest. Proxy ballots work really well, you can put a hundred nof them in your file cabinet. If the phone rings, you bring them out.

In supporting Paul, I would not resort to that nor condone it. You can't fight the truth, and the truth is if Paul's views were in the mainstream media he would already be President. Limit the government, not the People.

Anybody think this is worth a shit, to set the US on a better course ? To regain at least the trust of our allies, not only for our strength, but our restraint ?

What will it take, a total breakdown in our economy and society, what's left of it ?

Sometimes we need to think outside our litttle box. Sometimesn we need to see the bigger picture. Paul believes in the Constitution, therefore as President he would never tell people not to be homosexual or actually heven though he might be against Gay marriage, it is not his decision. And I think he knows that.

While I am pretty sure he is against measures to change the pledge of allegiance, and to take "In God we trust" off the currency, I refuse to befuddle my thinking with such thinhgs. What are you going to be offended when you take a friggin nickel out of your pocket ? He might be against abortion, but I won't even damn him for that. No President could just make abortion illegal just like that. That's why they had decades of court cases. I just thought you should know because if you are over thrity, you payed for it.

This country has been derailed, and I think Dr. Paul is one of the few who can get it back on track. I know his intentions, I know he is going to think things out, I just hope he follows the right path if given the opportunity. Many people will be pissed off, of that there is no doubt, but isn't it worth a shot ? Do you play the lottery ? Do you realize that the stakes are so much higher and the odds are actually better ? That is if we do something.

T


Gawwwwd...you're really into this aren't you?

Who the fuck is Ron Paul?

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 7:23:19 PM   
Termyn8or


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Ron Paul is the one and only politician on capitol hill that knows he WORKS FOR US. And he does WORK FOR US.

I don't know about Tancredo, but he seems good, at least for now. Note that these people are under constant scrutiny by the justice department. They want them gone. They got Trafficant, and you know for what ? One of the people in his organisation was writing checks for $1,500 every month to a lawyer. Trafficant even said in court "You have had me under a microscope for ten years, and in that time you have no video or tape of me doing anything illegal, you have nothing for all that time. I didn't even buy a pencil with cash, every transaction I had was documented and legal. You have nothing on me, nothing at all". (close, not exect).

Trafficant was a player in younger years. I know what that is like. But that was then. What I remember of his days on the floor of congress was " We have $135,000 for research into the mating habits of the tse-tse fly. Beam me up Scotty". And though he didn't say it, that which follows is "There is no intelligent life on this planet". I forget who actually started the saying, and it was not Trafficant, but he used it. And he voted against alot of things, not quite like Dr No (Paul) but he was actually concerned with something other than his own pocket.

Trafficant was old school and old school M____, you know the thing that never existed. He may have been in a businessman's club, but that is all. In later life, it seems he took his job as a representative of the people quite seriously, and the rest of them did not like that. They framed him plain and simple, and the people of Youngstown Ohio considered trying to actually elect him while he was in jail. That never happened though, unlike Milesovic.

You do realize that Milesovic got elected to a seat on the house, while incarcerated by the Hague, didn't you ? I absolutely refuse to provide cites, this is common knowledge all over the world, except the US.

You also know the butcher dictator of Venezuela. The CIA sent a shitload of operatives to depose this monster a few years ago, and THE PEOPLE of the country rose up and had him reinstated in 48 hours.

You see, anyone who is not friendly with the US and Israel is labelled a dictator, a despot, and must be stopped at all cost. My friends, to the MFs in our governmane that means at all cost to us, not to the politicians. For the most part, their sons do not even fight in the wars they start. You know it, I know it.

Hugo Chavez Frias is the duly, lawfully elected leader of Venezuyela. Period. The US goverment cannot accept it, even though Venezuela frequently fills our needs for oil. On and off. They keep fucking with him, he'll throw up an enbargo, and even disguise it. Chavez-Frias is a much more adept player than US officials.

Vladmir Putin of Russia is another competrent person when it comes to these matters.

Ask me for more, I don't think we got them. The rest are 'handled' by advisors and all that. George Bush couldn't wheel and deal his way out of a paper bag that is ripped down one side and has a gaping hole in the other. For a long time, if you put in the word 'failure' into a Google search and hit "I'm feeling lucky" you would get a bio of GWB.

Is this what the good, hard working people of this country elected to represent them, actually in that office, to lead them ?

Will the alternative be ?

First of all, understand this, and get it through your head. Don't fucking bore me with asking for proof, just shutup and listen, and do it now. Now is the time.

Both major political parties in this country are controlled by the same greoup of people. they have their long fingers into the media as well. They offer tweedle dee and tweedle dum, that is it. We have been trained to accept their choices, choices that are not good for us, but for them.

Paul and Tancredo are cut from a different cloth, I can't say all that much about Tancredo, but look at Paul's voting record. He votes no on anything unconstitutional. That has earned him the nickname Dr. No.  in congress.

I WANT a guy like that. I want to see a whole bunch of EOs rescinded. I WANT to see this country be what it could be, and should be. I WANT to see us do a turnaround and start getting better instead of worse.

Love it or leave it ? I think my decision is clear. I am not leaving.

What bothers me is that they got the smoking ban through. Understand this is very draconian and completely against the Constitution. I am not talking about the flaw in the law that allowed it to happen. I am not talking about the health aspect of it. I know smoking is bad for you, I would have to be a complete idiot not to realize that. What bothers me is that people, VOTERS, think they own everything, including any business I may have or my boss.

If you can't stand the smoke, get the fuck out. We are not required by the Constitution to provide a suiable environment for you. Go fuck yourselves. Go to another business. Go to my most hated competitor, but don't tell me what to do here in my realm. Especially when most of my patrons smoke.

Tell you what, get those daughters of yours into chastity belts. You clog up our welfare system with kids that you are not going to raise, and they will grow up to be a load on the system and will litter our streetcorners. So NOT restaurnts, bars, clubs need to comply, now YOU need to comply. I have as much proof that teenage pregnancy is killing us as you do that second hand smoke is. I will stipulate to the fact, but the problem you create is much worse.

Another thing, against abortion ? I got a hint for you, DON'T HAVE ONE. Don't like pot, here's an idea DON'T SMOKE IT. And if you don't like Buicks buy a fucking Ford.

Are we getting clear here, let's stay out of each other's way, respect others' rights to do things even if you disapprove. Get it got it ? Good.

That is what the founders of this great country intended, and that is why the Constitution exists.

That is a part of me forever, I will not leave. The next person who says to my face "Love it or leave it" I am going to kill dead. No question about it. YOU FUCKING LEAVE IT. You believe all the lies you are stupid anyway, go to Europe where they have real schools and find out how stupid you are. You leave it, it'll do you a world of good.

And that is what I am after. Not as Americans, Europeans, Thailandians, whatever, but as humans. We need to wake up. All of us. And soon. Peoples of the world are becoming more and more powerless to get rid of the despots we install in other countries, such as Saudi Arabia, and quite a few others.

We need to stop, get some sort of truce going, back the truck up, and make peace. Our governement has to realize that it is in no position to choose the leader in every country in the world.

Ron Paul is a step in the right direction, and if he gets on the ticket, I will vote for him. Period. I will break my long silence, and hope that about 30-40 million Americans do too, get enough votes to overcome the vote fraud. Send these fucking assholes out on their ear, AND PROSECUTE THEM. Send Bush over to the Hague, or better yet, well forget it, just send him to the Hague. Perhaps they'll let him have access to a law library and he can study the Eichmann defense.

I am a patriot and I love my country, and therefore I have some strong opinions. Perhaps when you read this you feel as if you are locked in a closet with a pitbull. But I will nevr back down. I will die first.

Tell you how much I love this country, if the FCC showed up with their SWAT team, I would make it a point to kill at least one of their agents, why ? Because the greif of their family might make them reconsider all the bullshit that bought them. The sixty inch TV won't be quite as comforting. Now what do you think of that ?

I really hope that never happens, but if it does I will act in the best interests of my country. If that means killing a Man, well, they got guys out there doing it every day. And they are not my, nor our leaders. Nor representatives.;

Realone, are you ready for the next step ?

I don't mean a revolution, but I mean getting strong. Winning elections, local and eventually national. This is no shit. My plan might be in it's infancy, but it is still a plan. I need people to help do this.I am not kidding, this is the second most importasnt thing in life.Anybody, is there anybody out there ?

Or is it only me ?

T

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 7:38:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Paul gets my vote, unless he runs with Tancredo. It's not that I don't like Tancredo, it's that he's too polarizing, and will hinder Paul more than he helps.

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 7:46:07 PM   
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Well then who ? Trafficant ? He might be out of jail by then.

Really, who would you suggest barring Tancredo ?

T

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 10:07:59 PM   
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subrob;

Well then who ? Trafficant ? He might be out of jail by then.

Really, who would you suggest barring Tancredo ?

T


Aaron Russo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Russo

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 10:10:32 PM   
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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 11:52:55 PM   
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Now let me tell you this, I have never voted and I will tell you why.


i always tell people to vote!  Always vote!  Write yourself in and vote for yourself! but vote!  the reason why is anything that is not demo or rep shows a protest vote and when they get high enough these assholes will more likely listen. vote 3rd party to protest even if the person is a total idiot it doesnt matter its a protest vote...  and they watch that like hawks!! 


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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 11:55:10 PM   
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Always vote!

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/6/2007 11:56:04 PM   
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LOL

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/7/2007 12:06:17 AM   
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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/7/2007 12:15:44 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Russo is an interesting guy, and from an unexpected place, the media.

The fact that he endorses Paul is very weighty.

Whaddya think, can we get ready to put Paul in in 2008, or should we shoot for 2012 ? The guy is getting old y'know. I dunno aboiut you, but I want Paul in the driver's seat, not Tancredo or Russo.

I don't know if anything good is ever going to happen, but we must push to see if it gives, and if it does, call everybody and push the whole thing down.

If he gets a snowball's chance in hell, I will be the biggest voting recruiter in the state. Everyone I know will vote for Paul, and if not, I probably don't know them as well as I thought.

Let alittle time go by, let the events unfold then we can evaluate what is going on. This is almost two years away, but that is not to say that now is not the time to start. In fact, some direct mail could put Paul's name in front of a hell of a lot more people.

Whatever, but we have to do something.

T

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/7/2007 1:24:15 AM   
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Russo is an interesting guy, and from an unexpected place, the media.


Russo is a great guy with a good story to tell. But I believe he is fighting for his life against a resurgence of some form of cancer.

It blows me away that Ron Paul is at least a five term congressman from Texas, yet folks don't know who he is... but they know Obama

What's even more scary is that Paul could sit down with any of the other candidates, debate them, then completely list his whole agenda for Americans to see, then compare it with these other shills, and the every day average American would overwhelmingly identify with his agenda over the shills. But then some dude with a pair fake alligator shoes from Fox or CNN would be able to persuade the average ''dumbed down '' American that they identify more with Hilliary Clinton.

The whole thing is absolutely crazy; especially the power the fucking tube has over people.



 - R


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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/7/2007 11:32:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		"The whole thing is absolutely crazy; especially the power the fucking tube has over people. "

You said a mouthful. It is not only the sheer power, it is that the line between fantasy and reality is blurred. When people need to watch a two hour movie every day, something is wrong.

There is alot more. Here I am hijacking my own thread :-)

People used to go to the cinema perhaps once a week, if they could afford it and especially if they could get a date. Now you see them walking out of Blockbuster with 6 or so videotapes or DVDs. I want to ask "You work two jobs, your olady works, the kids are in school all day and at soccer afterwards, this is how you want to spend what little time you have left ?". Where is the time to teach and interact with the kids ?

Now get this one, I fix TVs for a living. At the high end of the scale, I work on home theater/projection sets. Yes I do have a moral dilemma, in a way I sell out doing it, but I have bills. I can tell you this though, business is booming. I don't need a survey or the internet to tell you that in the US there are more TVs bigger than 30" per capita than anywhere in the world.

People who live in public housing, on welfare, don't have a car even, have a 65" high definition widescreen with PIP, XDS, Gemstar, and a remote that looks like you could fly a spaceship with it. They have hi def cable, two DVD players, a DVR, a VHS and maybe even a beta or 8 mm VCR(s). But the don't have insurance, nor money for food (they get stamps, or the card). Even with the card, they live on potato chips, macaroni and cheese, and candy. But when it is $350 to fix the bigscreen, they will come up with it somehow.

So I make good money fixing things I think would've been better off left uninvented.

It took me time to wake up. For awhile I found it difficult to understand why, for example, the local electic company, which is a monpoly, advertises on TV. I know now and I almost wish I didn't. They are buying up the available airtime to keep the prices high, and that is so that the average person cannot afford it.

Back when it was Fox 19 in Cleveland, this almost fledgling TV station did a show on compulsive gambling. It was to mention the lottery, and not in a positive light. Probably was going to cite some examples similar to what I have seen. Woman with three kids comes in the local store, gets potato chips, some blue drink ion a gallon container that I don't think any sane person would drink, some candy and a loaf of bread (no lunchmeat, just bread). Then they pay for it with the food stamp card. Then they walk over to the lottery line and buy $20-30 worth of lottery tickets. Then they get into a $25,000 SUV and drive it to Blockbuster. And some of them can't count too well, they have ten fingers, but are wearing more than ten rings. Well the Ohio lottery commision bought the show. Bought the whole segment of time and turned it into a long lottery commercial. The show aired at like 4AM eventually.

Now visits the other problem. There are alot of this kind of people around, and they would not vote for Paul. They literally vote for whoever they think will give them the biggest welfare check, and they will come right out and say it. Ask them.

So we need enough people to overcome this, and vote fraud and fighting the media monopoly. Uphill all the way. But things that are worth it are rarely easy to achieve. I expect this to be no different.

I, for one, take nothing from the government, nor do I give it anything voluntarily. Everything I buy is taxed, but I am a non-taxpayer. If I actually vote one day this may have to change. Voter registration has been used in court against tax protesters more than once. While in reality this has nothing to do with it, what a jury thinks is what is important.

The city wants to give me paint for my house. They also have low interest loans. Fuck that, this place is paid off and it is going to stay that way. And oh yes, we do pay property tax. And we do have insurance. I am not against insurance per se, but I am against mandatory insurance.

I might add the city wants to give me paint for my house, but not the paint I want. I don't want Sherwin Williams, it simply isn't all that good. It is better than the six buck a gallon stuff at Walmart, but I put things in perspective. I am not going to paint my own house, that means paying someone else. That means if the paint doesn't last I have to pay again. Even if I was willing to take it I won't. When paint goers on this house it is either Benjamin Moore or Pratt-Lambert, because I never want to do it again. The interior was painted in 1995, with the Benny Moore and since then has been scrubbed with steel wool about three times. It does not come off, it does not fade.

Now that is really a tangent there, but it does serve to illustrate my attitude. I want long term REAL solutions. Not a quick short lived fixup. Permanent and lasting change. That is how people keep weight off, stop drugs or stop or cut down an alcohol. Permanent and lasting change.

Keep that in mind.

OK, now I will exit the cockpit, don my parachute and allow this thread to continue to it's normal destination. Cuba is too hot anyway. (you remember, 'take this plane to Cuba')

T

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/7/2007 3:17:04 PM   
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I really hope that never happens, but if it does I will act in the best interests of my country. If that means killing a Man, well, they got guys out there doing it every day. And they are not my, nor our leaders. Nor representatives.;

Realone, are you ready for the next step ?

I don't mean a revolution, but I mean getting strong. Winning elections, local and eventually national. This is no shit. My plan might be in it's infancy, but it is still a plan. I need people to help do this.I am not kidding, this is the second most importasnt thing in life.Anybody, is there anybody out there ?


well it really should not have to come to that the way i see it but lets face it that is what our forefathers had in mind if thei governement should ever get out of control, can you imagine the american population loaded cockeed and locked.   i sort of doubt there would be much of an argument and they would happily let us do whatever we wanted to LOL

but i doubt it would come to that after all most of them are lawyers that by the way part of the 13th amendment seems to indicate there should be no attorneys in office!! 


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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/7/2007 5:44:47 PM   
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Not entirely correct Real. It is not part of the current 13th, but it was of the original. Known to historians as the Titles Of Nobiliy Act. it would effectively prohibit members of the Bar to hold a position of trust. The wording doesn't say that anyone with a law degree can't. If it's supposed passage was recognized today, I think an LPA could hold office.

The Title Of Nobility act also had the distinction of using both the words enumeration and honor, and back then to honor meant to pay, such as honor a debt. That term is still used, but it's roots are from the older English. Literally, to honor was to pay, so when they purposely used honor and enumerate in the same sentence that means they mean honor the other way as well. A position, being that if you were in any foreign organisation.

The American Bar Association is part of the Bar Association. That is where this theory came from.

Actually I agree with it. But it is not recognized, even though two researchers named Dodge and Dunn seemingly have proof, and actually found Constitutions printed which included the original 13 th.

Now this gets real sticky Real, some claim the original 13th did not pass because among other things, Ohio, who ratified, was not a state yet. Ohio became a state retroactively in 1953, declaring unlawfully that they had been a state since 1803.

They also ratified the Income Tax. So to argue that Ohio was not a state at the time may be court fodder for tax protesters, they can't have it both ways. If Ohio was not a state, OK, but that means that the original 13th did not pass lawfuly either.

I dunno, I might be willing to trade the income tax issue to get the original 13th recognized. Someone has to pay for the roads. But if people we elect to represent us actually did so, we wouldn't have what we have, to say the least.

To stay on track, fucking forget about RoevWade, forget about all that. It is tertiary nonsense, want an abortion ? have one. Abortion is murder, do not commit it. We need a Man in there to take the reins and lead this country to it's former greatness.

Amma tellya right now, NONE OF YOU know how really bad it is. NONE of you know what all they are doing and have thought out the consequences like I have.

To give an example. Scrap steel is at it's highest ever. They are exporting it at an alarming rate. The good steel made in US mills decades ago is highly sought after in the world. Aluminum is bringing in what copper used to, copper it sky high. And it is all being shipped out.

And everything you see in this country is plastic.

Take those two facts and add it up with the facts that nothing lasts because they build unreliable junk, and that plastic is made from petroleum.

Add it all up folks. The writing is on the wall.

While the secret service can move you three blocks away from the President (free speech zones) so he can't see your signs, THE signs, they cannot control your vote. Yes they do vote fraud, but they can only do so much. That is why we need to mobilize very soon, get Paul in office and even if we don't, take alot of their votes away. It might be impossible to do, but they will most likely see it as a near miss. A near miss can smarten a person up.

We are damnear destroyed from within now. Now we have to rebuild from within.

T

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/7/2007 5:49:43 PM   
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Paul gets my vote, unless he runs with Tancredo. It's not that I don't like Tancredo, it's that he's too polarizing, and will hinder Paul more than he helps.


I'd vote for either one of them.

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RE: Possible good news (2008 election) - 2/7/2007 6:05:41 PM   
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Someone has to pay for the roads.

We are damnear destroyed from within now. Now we have to rebuild from within.

T


oh road taxes are collected by the states either way.
hey as i said the 10 planks of the communist manifesto are live and well in the us today!  i always protest and vote anything but rep or dem so of course i woudl vote for one of these guys.

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