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Real0ne -> Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 9:22:08 AM)

Yeh!  Go Arnold!
http://www.arnoldexposed.com/arnold.htm

Arnold openly supported Kurt Waldheim, Former UN chief and a former Austrian politician who participated in Nazi atrocities during World War II. Schwarzenegger's name remained on Waldheim's campaign posters, even after allegations of Waldheim's war crimes were brought to light. Waldheim was even invited to Arnold's wedding. His father was a member of the Austrian Nazi Party who volunteered for the infamous SA and became a ranking officer. In the early '90s, Spy Magazine printed his father's Nazi Party membership in their magazine.

Go Nazi's! Hiel Arnold!




juliaoceania -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 10:20:38 AM)

He can't run, and if you are familiar with how hard it is to amend the constitution, Arnie would probably be 80 before any such amendment wend its way through the process:

quote:

The first method is for a bill to pass both houses of the legislature, by a two-thirds majority in each. Once the bill has passed both houses, it goes on to the states. This is the route taken by all current amendments. Because of some long outstanding amendments, such as the 27th, Congress will normally put a time limit (typically seven years) for the bill to be approved as an amendment (for example, see the 21st and 22nd).
The second method prescribed is for a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States, and for that Convention to propose one or more amendments. These amendments are then sent to the states to be approved by three-fourths of the legislatures or conventions. This route has never been taken, and there is discussion in political science circles about just how such a convention would be convened, and what kind of changes it would bring about.
Regardless of which of the two proposal routes is taken, the amendment must be ratified, or approved, by three-fourths of states. There are two ways to do this, too. The text of the amendment may specify whether the bill must be passed by the state legislatures or by a state convention. See the Ratification Convention Page for a discussion of the make up of a convention. Amendments are sent to the legislatures of the states by default. Only one amendment, the 21st, specified a convention. In any case, passage by the legislature or convention is by simple majority.
The Constitution, then, spells out four paths for an amendment:

  • Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state conventions (never used)
  • Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state legislatures (never used)
  • Proposal by Congress, ratification by state conventions (used once)
  • Proposal by Congress, ratification by state legislatures (used all other times)

It is interesting to note that at no point does the President have a role in the formal amendment process (though he would be free to make his opinion known). He cannot veto an amendment proposal, nor a ratification. This point is clear in Article 5, and was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court in Hollingsworth v Virginia (3 USC 378 [1798]):

http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html#process




ElectraGlide -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 10:28:53 AM)

What if Arnie could legally run. Who would be his Vice President ? Danny Devito ?




stef -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 10:34:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

He can't run, and if you are familiar with how hard it is to amend the constitution, Arnie would probably be 80 before any such amendment wend its way through the process:

You should know by now that reality and Real0ne's rants seldom overlap.

~stef




Real0ne -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 10:41:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

He can't run, and if you are familiar with how hard it is to amend the constitution, Arnie would probably be 80 before any such amendment wend its way through the process:

quote:

The first method is for a bill to pass both houses of the legislature, by a two-thirds majority in each. Once the bill has passed both houses, it goes on to the states. This is the route taken by all current amendments. Because of some long outstanding amendments, such as the 27th, Congress will normally put a time limit (typically seven years) for the bill to be approved as an amendment (for example, see the 21st and 22nd).
The second method prescribed is for a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States, and for that Convention to propose one or more amendments. These amendments are then sent to the states to be approved by three-fourths of the legislatures or conventions. This route has never been taken, and there is discussion in political science circles about just how such a convention would be convened, and what kind of changes it would bring about.
Regardless of which of the two proposal routes is taken, the amendment must be ratified, or approved, by three-fourths of states. There are two ways to do this, too. The text of the amendment may specify whether the bill must be passed by the state legislatures or by a state convention. See the Ratification Convention Page for a discussion of the make up of a convention. Amendments are sent to the legislatures of the states by default. Only one amendment, the 21st, specified a convention. In any case, passage by the legislature or convention is by simple majority.
The Constitution, then, spells out four paths for an amendment:
  • Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state conventions (never used)
  • Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state legislatures (never used)
  • Proposal by Congress, ratification by state conventions (used once)
  • Proposal by Congress, ratification by state legislatures (used all other times)

It is interesting to note that at no point does the President have a role in the formal amendment process (though he would be free to make his opinion known). He cannot veto an amendment proposal, nor a ratification. This point is clear in Article 5, and was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court in Hollingsworth v Virginia (3 USC 378 [1798]):

http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html#process



Julia i know that! 

The point of that post is to wake people up how BIG this is already!  Nazi presidents with nazi cabinets and nazi governors!

How many elections do we have left before there is enough to get that ratification?  Thats what i want to know?

America is electing nazis to office how many more are there that we do not know about?

Did you know anrie was a nazi and directly involved with nazis as is butt head?




MasterC70 -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 10:51:49 AM)

I don't think it will ever happen. Especially after 9-11.  People would be certain to become suspicious of someone born in another country rising to such a position of power.  Besides which you don't have to be president to be a threat to others who oppose you.  Do the names MacCarthy and Hoover ring any bells?  I believe that one old quote was, "Presidents come and go, but Hoover remains" and of course all Sen.MacCarthy had to do was accuse someone of not being a loyal american, and boom their life was in shreads.  Interestingly enough two young men who worked for MacCarthy later became presidents.  Their names were Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.  We don't need to worry about threats coming from without when we already have a time honoured history of generating them from within.  




Real0ne -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 10:52:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

He can't run, and if you are familiar with how hard it is to amend the constitution, Arnie would probably be 80 before any such amendment wend its way through the process:

You should know by now that reality and Real0ne's rants seldom overlap.

~stef


you just talkin stef or you got something to back it up? 

Arnie is a nazi. Hell he is even from austrias!  His daddy was anazi ww2 participant!

Do show your evidence to the contrary!




Real0ne -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 10:55:57 AM)

Julia,

10 years ago would you have argued that the patriot act was impossible?  i would have!  Its here!




missturbation -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 10:57:38 AM)

*******Ok thick person question alert.*******
 
Why can't he run?




Real0ne -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 10:58:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

*******Ok thick person question alert.*******
 
Why can't he run?


Because it violates our constitution

(at the moment)




missturbation -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 10:59:42 AM)

How?




pleasedome -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 11:01:16 AM)

missturbation,

According to the Constitution of the United States of America, to run for president you have to have been BORN in the United States and be at least 35 (I think) years of age. Mr. Schwarzenagger was not born in the US and therefor cannot run for president. He can, however, run to hold any other office below that executive branch. Just my piece.....

pleasedome




missturbation -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 11:04:58 AM)

Thank you. I thought that he was now an american citizen and would as such be allowed to.




stef -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 11:06:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

you just talkin stef or you got something to back it up? 

You've already taken care of that work for me.  You back it up with nearly every post you make.

quote:

Arnie is a nazi. Hell he is even from austrias!  His daddy was anazi ww2 participant!

Since he's from Austria he's a nazi?  That's an interesting leap of "logic," even for you.  As for his father, I wasn't aware that being a nazi was a hereditary condition.

quote:

Do show your evidence to the contrary!

That's not how it works.  You're making the accusations, you're the one who needs to post the proof.  And contrary to your recent efforts at providing proof, random websites from crackpots don't qualify.

~stef




Real0ne -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 11:07:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterC70

I don't think it will ever happen. Especially after 9-11.  People would be certain to become suspicious of someone born in another country rising to such a position of power.  Besides which you don't have to be president to be a threat to others who oppose you.  Do the names MacCarthy and Hoover ring any bells?  I believe that one old quote was, "Presidents come and go, but Hoover remains" and of course all Sen.MacCarthy had to do was accuse someone of not being a loyal american, and boom their life was in shreads.  Interestingly enough two young men who worked for MacCarthy later became presidents.  Their names were Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.  We don't need to worry about threats coming from without when we already have a time honoured history of generating them from within.  


But it seems there are a few like stef for instance above who laugh at this, like its not a reason for concern!

i think all to many paople think that we are protected by the constitution, we are NOT!

We are protected by the people who we elect to gaurd the protections that are afforded us by the constitution and they are nazi's!!   Without people doing their jobs according to their ordination the constitution is nothin more than toilet paper.

Nazi's are in office and we are being sold up the river!




stef -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 11:11:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

But it seems there are a few like stef for instance above who laugh at this, like its not a reason for concern!

Once again, you're mistaken.  I'm not laughing at that, I'm laughing at you.

~stef




juliaoceania -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 11:12:18 AM)

quote:

Julia i know that! 

The point of that post is to wake people up how BIG this is already!  Nazi presidents with nazi cabinets and nazi governors!


I have no problem stating that there are Nazi philosophical descendents already running this country.. Leo Strauss: Chicago University, Pearle and Wolfowitz.. it already has happened.
quote:

How many elections do we have left before there is enough to get that ratification?  Thats what i want to know?

I think it will snow in hell before anyone changes the constitution to let someone foreign born be president, whether you agree with it or not. Seriously, it is more likely that we will not be the USA before that happens. Changing it to allow a certain person to be president just is not feasible, and one side or the other is usually not keen to do so based on some cult of personality for partisan reasons. 

quote:

America is electing nazis to office how many more are there that we do not know about?


I mentioned a couple of political appointees that have some philosophical leanings that Hitler had, from the same schools of thought on how reality can be shaped by creating our perception of it. Idealist philosophical roots that clashed with Marx Materialism.
quote:

Did you know anrie was a nazi and directly involved with nazis as is butt head?

I knew there were rumors of it, but then again I voted against the recall of Davis so I cannot be blamed for Arnie being in power.




Real0ne -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 11:13:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

you just talkin stef or you got something to back it up? 

You've already taken care of that work for me.  You back it up with nearly every post you make.

quote:

Arnie is a nazi. Hell he is even from austrias!  His daddy was anazi ww2 participant!

Since he's from Austria he's a nazi?  That's an interesting leap of "logic," even for you.  As for his father, I wasn't aware that being a nazi was a hereditary condition.

quote:

Do show your evidence to the contrary!

That's not how it works.  You're making the accusations, you're the one who needs to post the proof.  And contrary to your recent efforts at providing proof, random websites from crackpots don't qualify.

~stef


Says you stef!  i cant prove a damn thing to anyone! thats not how it works stef.  i can only bring this stuff to peoples attention and you have to do your own research!  This is hardly a court room.  Oh and thanks for trying to switch what i said as a side comment into the main topic. 




Real0ne -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 11:14:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

But it seems there are a few like stef for instance above who laugh at this, like its not a reason for concern!

Once again, you're mistaken.  I'm not laughing at that, I'm laughing at you.

~stef


then we can agree to laugh at each other




MsPoetress -> RE: Arnold Schwarzenegger For President! (2/8/2007 11:20:07 AM)

Arnold Schwarzenegger: A Portrait, "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education up to power. And I admire him for being such a good public speaker and his way of getting to the people and so on. But I didn't admire him for what he did with it."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2003-08-24-arnold-father_x.htm

Do the sins of a father fall on to the son?

~poe




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