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BitaTruble -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 1:59:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Lots of Masters around but consider this if your carrying that title.



I have so many problems with this on so many different levels. I'm going to tackle them (with the exception of the first two) one at a time.

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Are you available 24/7 [even on line] to help your "s" with a r/t problem?

Are you ready to wire some emergency funds to your "s" to help when needed?


These two I could change the word "Master" in the title of the thread and the 's' in the body of the post and substitute the word friend quite easily. Neither of these say the word "master" as opposed to 'sir' or friend to me.

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 you let it be known when visiting a new site/chat that you already have "s" and are pleased?


Change the word Master here to husband or boyfriend. I see nothing that differentiates this behavior to belong to a Master as opposed to a sir, husband or boyfriend.

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Do you devote as much time to after care as you did for the interaction?


Aftercare, if it happens at all, takes as long as it takes. How can you quantify it based on the length of the session and then use that to differentiate between Master and Sir?

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If on line do you take the time to travel to your "s" when time permits?


Someone who requires a submissive to travel to them (regardless of the reasoning behind it) is a Sir rather than a Master? Can't buy that even with Monopoly money.

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Do you make that time?


It seems to me that circumstances need to be taken into consideration and that one will do what one can if they want r/t involvement. Again, how does this say Master as opposed to Sir?
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Are you open to your "s"s input re technique?


Technique as in S/m? What of those who don't partake of S/m? Can they not be Masters? If it's meant to speak to the technique of D/s interaction, then it seems to advocate that a Master will want a submissive to have an expectation of how their service should be rather than service as their dominant requires. In my world, that used to be true.. but I grew beyond such thinking by the very fact that Master helped me to see the light by causing me to reflect internally on submission and how it works in our dynamic with one another.
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These are key items but there are many more.


In my view, these are fluff which have little to do with Master vs Sir. So many other 'titles' could be substituted in lieu of Master and fit. Where's the authority 'key'? Where's the service 'key'? Where is the power exchange? The self-Mastery? The internal reflection to get to a point where one has the ability to take and/or keep the power of someone else?



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Unless the above answers are principally yes, perhaps Sir might be a better way to go, re salutation.


Truly, with few exceptions, I don't see any of the above as being the domain of a Master as opposed to a sir, a husband, friend or lover. Without some sort of authority dynamic as a 'key' element, perhaps the most important 'key' element, I don't see this as related to BDSM D/s at all.

We surely have different ideas of what it takes to be a Master. With that said, the fact that you used the words 'might' and 'if' in the title, I fully support your right to your view and if that's how you Master or how you consider one to earn, gain or use the title of Master, I'd defend your right to do so quite emphatically even though I disagree with it completely.

Celeste




SCDommie -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 2:48:09 PM)

I missed another party.   If there were a perect Dom/Domme, then we would all be perfect. 

SCD




cjenny -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 2:56:01 PM)

I thought its was the submissives n slaves that had to be perfect? Tis all soooooo confusing.
[;)]




KarbonCopy -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 3:04:36 PM)

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findmedaddy -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 3:19:54 PM)

CP --

Thanks for the note. I have to admit that I feel less condescended here to than ..... lonely? .... jealous? .... out of a loop I wish I were in?.... or perhaps just not grateful enough for what I have? Sometimes I think of the ones who are glib here, and who have r/t relationships, as the cool kids, and myself as one looking on and wondering how to be noticed. But that is entirely my perception, not reality.

Because of my little girl-ness, parties have been odd scenes for me, when I could get there. But I have had loving relationships and hope to have another, because I believe I have a lot to offer AND because I would like to be special to someone. One someone. If looking on line is my best option, I just have to. Quitting seems like a heavy door slamming.

fmd






Squeakers -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 3:23:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass

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You buy all your BDSM toys at Walmart and the Dollar Tree


I know you meant it as a joke but really there's nothing funny about it. Why should I pay $100 for something I can get for $15? Plus, IMO a Master must be creative if nothing else and being able to build toys or adapt them from everyday objects is quite a valuable skill.
     I agree with building ones own toys or implementing every day items but when it comes to quality, I'd prefer to pay $100 and make sure it's not going to bust on my ass.  




Squeakers -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 3:26:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Squeakers,

no it was not a joke.

CP
    Ohhh really then maybe we should hook up---I can really use some Dom Financial aid right now got a spare grand or two laying around.   




CelticPrince -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 3:38:17 PM)

fmd,

Truely there is no need to accept an "out of the loop" feeling. We are all what we are, be it real time or on line. Maine does not have a large D/s community and I understand that but the sharing via the net continues to be a viable source for those on the path.

Time works for all, and as you note closing doors is not a good option. Stay with it and it will happen.

CP




SimplyMichael -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 3:48:37 PM)

As long as you are going to adopt the affectations of "old guard" and use "s" get it right.

It is "S" for Sadist and "m" for masochist. 

THAT is how the old guard did it...and any writings out of the time, such as The Leatherman's Handbook will back me up.




SimplyMichael -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 4:36:26 PM)

As one  you might consider one of the "cool kids" although if you knew me you would know how hurtful and insulting I find it to be thought of that way but let me say this.

Here, we call it like we see it, you post drivel, we point it out, you post honest and sincere thoughts or questions and you will get that returned in spades.  I, and I am sure I speak for people like LA on this, want EVERYONE to be "cool kids" because the more the merrier as far as I am concerned.

You are in Maine, there is http://www.cufsnorth.org/ http://www.darkstoneds.org/ and many more, check out http://www.soj.org/groups.html#eastern for a short list.

Canadians have to be kinky too, you can find local people.




findmedaddy -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 5:23:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

As one  you might consider one of the "cool kids" although if you knew me you would know how hurtful and insulting I find it to be thought of that way but let me say this.

Here, we call it like we see it, you post drivel, we point it out, you post honest and sincere thoughts or questions and you will get that returned in spades.  I, and I am sure I speak for people like LA on this, want EVERYONE to be "cool kids" because the more the merrier as far as I am concerned.

You are in Maine, there is http://www.cufsnorth.org/ http://www.darkstoneds.org/ and many more, check out http://www.soj.org/groups.html#eastern for a short list.

Canadians have to be kinky too, you can find local people.


I did say that I felt it was my perception, not reality, and I'm sorry you took offense. I don't think I've posted drivel; at least so far no one had said so. Thank you for the references to the groups. I have done the same research and am sorry you went to the trouble.




KnightofMists -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 5:41:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Lots of Masters around but consider this if your carrying that title.

Are you available 24/7 [even on line] to help your "s" with a r/t problem?

Are you ready to wire some emergency funds to your "s" to help when needed?

Do you let it be known when visiting a new site/chat that you already have "s" and are pleased?

Do you devote as much time to after care as you did for the interaction?

If on line do you take the time to travel to your "s" when time permits?

Do you make that time?

Are you open to your "s"s input re technique?

These are key items but there are many more.

Unless the above answers are principally yes, perhaps Sir might be a better way to go, re salutation.

CP


LMAO...

nothing more need be said




cjenny -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 5:44:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

As long as you are going to adopt the affectations of "old guard" and use "s" get it right.

It is "S" for Sadist and "m" for masochist. 

THAT is how the old guard did it...and any writings out of the time, such as The Leatherman's Handbook will back me up.


Funny, I took the 's' to be for slave or submissive.....




gooddogbenji -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 5:49:35 PM)

Yeah but in "old guard" speak it aint.

I believe "s" is used to group subs and slaves, without saying "subs and slaves."  Just as "D" is used for Doms and Dommes, or Dominants.

Then again, at some point, the OP differentiated between "s" and slaves, or something like that, so  maybe the problem isn't old guard versus modern language, but more general definitions of the english language.*

Yours,


benji

*see OP





irishwitch65 -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 7:32:19 PM)

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Are you available 24/7 [even on line] to help your "s" with a r/t problem?

Do you devote as much time to after care as you did for the interaction?


absolutely!




SimplyMichael -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 8:12:20 PM)

findmedaddy,

I was glad to help you, most of us here are always happy to help people who have their heads screwed on straight!  I didn't word that part of my post well enough, I wasn't implying you had insulted me.

Cjenny,

The OP meant "s" as in submissive just as you thought he did.  My point was that his usage was the complete opposite of how the actual old guard he claims to be part of actually used it. 




DominaSmartass -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 8:29:16 PM)

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Offline I spend most of the day laying down & using my laptop.


I'm having an interesting time imagining what you do for a living. Sorry, did I say that out loud?




CandleInTheWind -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 9:12:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

fmd,

Sadly there is the culture here, why I do not know, that looks down their aristocratic noses at people whose pricipal partisipation in the lifestyle is on line.

As I presented in a prior post, if the Gods are willing it can turn into real time all the more richer for the benefit of being on line first.


CP
I have raised this point before...I can understand using the internet as a means to meet potential partners...But to have a "relationship" solely based on the internet...well I just do not understand it at all...to me it isnt an intimate relationship.

I cant see it...and it is my opinion. and it is based on my own experiences    

I had been engaged for 11 months when i was 18 to a very nice man that i was supposed to marry....and I had gotten engaged via proxy, sounds similar to alot of these so called internet romances doesnt it??  The major difference was this:  we knew each other for 6 years before hand  and had dated physically on and off for that length of time.  but for the 18 months that he was over seas...I felt that our relationship was fictional....We wrote back and forth (back in the day before the internet and letters costed 10 cents to mail).  But in actuality our relationship ceased to grow becasue we were deveoping independantly becasue although we communicated on a weekly basis.  Our relationship couldnt be expected to stand still becasue as young adults we were both growing and learning about life's experiences and since we were not learnign the experiences together we saw them differently!

and so altough to this day I remember that man fondly and I still feel that he is one of the few men in my life that truly cared about me (when he came back tot he states he broke the engagement)...after all he recognized that he wasnt the same person he had been when he left and i wasnt the same waif that he had left behind!

So now with the exception of those that are mearly keeping in touch during the period of necessary separation....How does a BDSM relationship indeed ork with people that do not even know what their respective partners even smell like??

and so those are my issues I do with that you could expain these to me

red




kate -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/11/2007 9:27:29 PM)

some people are so caught up in words....is someone wants to be called Master...fine...if He wants to be called Sir...that's fine too....hell, if he wante me to call him Great aunt Betty...that's good too....it's all just words..... the titles that people give themselves or are given by others are just WORDS...they only mean as much as you put into them.... when i'm playing a video game with my room mate and he yells "OH YES!! i am the master of all that is mario cart" ......i'm pretty sure he dosen't mean that he is sexualy/physicaly/emotinaly or any other way dominant over the video game.....it's just words




Squeakers -> RE: You Might be a Master if................ (2/12/2007 3:22:21 AM)

Great Aunt Betty?   LOL now that title sounds kinky.  




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