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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/11/2007 10:08:28 AM   
MaryT


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Go check profiles and add up the chubby's versus the thinnies, and i will guess that the ratio "might" be  a little higher because we get fatter as we get older, and there are more older people doing this than other sexual lifestyles, like swingers for example. What I have noticed is more people over 40 doing this, and that this might  skew the perception that we are all fatter.


It might also be that people who spend a lot of time in front of a computer (sedentary) are more likely to be overweight.  The average number of OW people in Walmart (many of whom see shopping as their sport/hobby) is going to exceed to the number of OW people on the tennis court, or even the golf course.  Also, in the US, an impoverished person is more likely to be obese.

It makes sense that people who are pleasure-oriented might be more likely to over-indulge in food than people who are not so pleasure oriented.  But I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that the idea is true.

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If that is the case, I would guess that the way men age (failure to get an erection as they get older) would be analogous to how women age (getting fat).


Metabolic slowing happens to both and women go through menopause, so they are more alike than different in those aspects of aging, IMO.  In fact, I would bet that the number of women with age-hampered libidos far exceeds older men with ED.  Happily, better living through chemistry (natural and medicine) offers many solutions to both.

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/11/2007 10:10:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

There is a whole lot of emphasis placed on a man's cock and how it relates to their manhood. As an example, the whole Gorean subculture of natural order is defined on whether or not you have a cock between your legs. There are certain subjects which are only fit to be discussed by those with cocks and if you don't have a cock, your freedom is tenuous and subject to the whims of those who do have a cock. The cock is mightier than the sword and weilded as the arbiter of separation between the sexes. The sole arbiter.

We judge everything about cocks: length, girth, cut, uncut, hard, soft, how often to you touch it, have it sucked, use it to fuck. I mean, it's a pretty damn important body part and yet, we don't seem to talk to much about it, or, more specifically, about power and how it relates to the cock.

Up to one half of all the men on this board have or will have some sort of issues with erectile dysfunction by the time they are 40. That's a fact. (Seriously, google it if you don't believe me!)

So, are men with ED using BDSM to compensate for the inability to fuck effectively or, in some cases, to fuck at all?  Is the power of pleasure being transfered into sado-masochistic acts and M/s lifestyles because of internal, physical phallus failure? The answer has got to be 'yes' in some cases. There are as many reasons to enter into BDSM and D/s as there are people on the planet who engage. Is phallus failure a valid and honest reason though? Is it being disingenous to make a claim of dominance when the only reason you put on that cloak is because you can't get it up? What about wearing the submissive hat? Is it lying to make a claim of submission when your reality is that you can't get it up so turn to service (etc) to compensate?

For those involved long term, who own dominance or submission as part of their nature, who are unhappy living life any other way, such will effect them as well but does it matter that they were here to begin with, immersing themselves into BDSM because they felt the pull of the beast? Are BDSM and D/s being inundated with men who don't actually engage in power exchange but are simply involved as some sort of compensation for phallus failure.. and.. does it matter?

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Very interesting concept...

In truthfulness... if everyone is happy... it doesn't really matter.  A transfer of energy from one form to another is perfectly acceptable as long as it fulfills the needs of those directly associated.

Fortunately, Sir is not in either catagory... I get the best of both worlds! 

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/11/2007 10:52:06 AM   
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I don't think they get into bdsm solely BECAUSE of their cock issues, I do think it adds a very attractive bonus and can be a very real part of it. 

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/11/2007 11:08:43 AM   
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i am definitely compensating for the E.D. at this point in my life. Having said that, i have been serving (real life) as a submissive male for almost 40 years and had to stay in control of the erect phallus until a real life Dominant would allow me the privilage of release. my latest service to a DOMME and HER male lover has actually been enhanced by my inability to achieve an erection. It has enabled me to be taken to higher levels of service, that before were only a fantasy!  

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/13/2007 6:09:40 PM   
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Help. Scream. Safe word.

Are you guys saying men get into BDSM because they are impotent?

Help. Scream. Safe word.

i thank my lucky stars the sadistic demons i have known had HARD COCKS.

i'll be quiet now ;) 

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/13/2007 10:17:40 PM   
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I have experience with one dom male who was perfectly happy to receive "oral sevice" a few times a day but did not care for intercourse very often. And when there was intercourse he had a hard time keeping it up (blamed that on the condom.) I blame it on him being 43 years old. So yes, I think what you're saying may have some truth to it.

Then again, Ms. Freud over there, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar ;)

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/14/2007 12:05:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MaryT

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If that is the case, I would guess that the way men age (failure to get an erection as they get older) would be analogous to how women age (getting fat).


Metabolic slowing happens to both and women go through menopause, so they are more alike than different in those aspects of aging, IMO.  In fact, I would bet that the number of women with age-hampered libidos far exceeds older men with ED.  Happily, better living through chemistry (natural and medicine) offers many solutions to both.



I am not commenting on the reality that both sexes gain weight and that the libido of men and women slows down. I am commenting on my perception that the loss of the ability to maintain an erection is going to be emotionally devastating for many men. My perception is that women often define their sexuality based on the scales, men on their penis... I could be wrong about that.

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/15/2007 12:42:20 PM   
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the man I am married to has suffered from both ED and PE since he turned 40 - and he has absolutely NO interest in joining me in discovering more about this world.  Fortunate for my Master though ;)

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/15/2007 12:44:59 PM   
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I work in a pharmacy and yesterday was national viagra day

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/26/2007 6:59:16 PM   
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Speaking for myself, I've tried about every possible method the medical profession has forwarded except an implant and believe me, it is a real problem for those of us who truly suffer from ED. Mine I'm pretty sure is a result of Diabetes,,,, and there are a whole lot of diabetics out there, so don't brush off the possibility of its being true too casually!!!

I'd give a whole lot to be as "hard" as I once was!

Anyway, the main point of this diatribe is that despite my problem with Erectile Dysfunction I've been able to maintain a pretty good sex life. I'm also a bit surprised but proud to report that I've never yet had a woman complain to me or walk away from me in dissatisfaction or disgust. Not to say that a rampant erection wouldn't have been even more fun, but it's not an absolute requirement to enjoyable sex.

Love to hear the Ladies take on this from those who have had partners with this affliction!!!!!

George

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/26/2007 7:48:38 PM   
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Who the hell needs a big penis when they can drive an 80 ton forklift down on the docks?

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/26/2007 8:09:51 PM   
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quote:

 Love to hear the Ladies take on this from those who have had partners with this affliction!!!!!  


In my past I was submissive to a dominant who could not manage sexual intercourse; he could orgasm with oral sex though.  He did not have diabetes but had some other medical problems and I think his ED was from side effects of several of his medications.  He was very inventive and I was quite sexually satisfied!!! The best, though, was when he bought a strap-on that fit around his upper thigh.  It enhanced the intimacy of the encounter when we used it because we could kiss and hold each other. (yanno, mushy stuff)
And no, he did not turn to BDSM because of his ED, he’d been dominant long before his medical problems.   


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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/26/2007 8:47:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
I find the two subjects to be equally valid to discuss and yet there are, literaly, hundreds of pages of posts devoted to weight issues, and very few devoted to this issue. Or, perhaps, neither merits much time or thought at all. I guess it boils down to perception. I had a nightmare about snakes last night which woke me up and this is what I wrote when I couldn't get back to sleep. ::chuckles::
Celeste
I love it.   I think it's incredibly courageous of you to touch the phallus issue given that it is such a hot button (hopefully not literally a button) for men, and it is so much easier or somehow more acceptable to talk about and feed on the insecurities of women, but I F*cking love it.   

P.S.  I agree that what is essential is understanding oneself and one's motivations to perhaps keep damage to others at a minimum.   M

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/26/2007 10:58:05 PM   
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Wow.. what a topic!  I will only speak for myself... BDSM activities do not require for ones cock or not.  Gawd, I think I'd be fucked if I had to have my cock hard to be able to spanks somebody's ass.. tie them up for whatnot... I have actually engaged in BDSM without having to have sex whatsoever... 

In terms of Sex, I have to be sexually attracted to her!  If not attracted to her, then I know I can't keep it up for long... With somebody I'm totally into.. I'm hard for hours on end,  past the stupid 4 hour erection warning limit on ED meds....

I really don't see a big connection with ED and BDSM... perhaps it give a man an outlet for being pissed off not being able to function or not....  I guess if you start off trying to screw and he can't get it up.. and he's smacking your ass instead... then he's totally trying to compensate... LOL...   Perhaps he need to unwind... and not place so much pressure on himself... a good body massage will work... with some seduction and erotic foreplay.. perhaps followed with some nasty hot conversation... 

Whatever is going on, it's always best there is communication going on.  Try different things and when all else fails seek professional help... You don't have to go to the Dr. for a pill right away...  The problem may be as simple as stress....







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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/27/2007 6:10:06 AM   
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I wouldn't call it compensating for phallus failure, but something I've noticed as I've gotten older and my sex drive has dropped off a bit is I've gotten more patient and so kinky activities have either become foreplay or intimate entertainment for it's own sake. When I was younger I was more interested in just fucking every chance I got and so was less likely to even think about getting the toys out if the blood had already gone to my dick; now fucking seems more like icing on the cake, and sometimes I'm quite happy just having cake. 

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RE: Compensating for phallus failure? - 2/27/2007 8:05:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

But when all is said and done what does it matter?...It is what it is.



I personally think it matters because, in the words of Kurt Vonnegut, our peep hole is open for a limited time to try to come to terms with our lives and our existence.

I prefer to ask the questions, even if I know I may never find the answers.

To get back to the original post, I am sure there are people out there who compensate for ED by getting involved in WIITWD.

I myself derive my Domspace from creating a positive change in my partner.  If this involves giving her multiple orgasms, I can work with that.  If this involves tying her up, smacking her with soup spoons, etc., then so be it.  My Dominant attitudes are actually found in a different place in my mind.  I can do deferential so well that many perceive me as submissive.  But what generally happens in situations is that the group ends up doing what I think it should do.  This happens on juries, jobs, parties, etc.  I can write dissertations on the mechanics of how I do that, but I think in the final analysis I have a dominant personality.

Go figure.

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