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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/20/2005 12:09:45 PM   
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These rules as presented are meant as guidelines, a beginning point from which develop one's own set, specific to a particular relationship
http://www.geocities.com/satyr_man/128rules.html



I'm curious as to why you would send these out to various people and claim them as yours?

Simple question. Waiting for a simple answer.




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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/20/2005 12:22:47 PM   
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For the record, when these rules were created, I used the 128 Rules and a few others as guides and for the foundation of discussion. At the time beth was not living with me full time so some aspects, like the webcam, were included. As we've counseled many to do, we communicated for many hours and went over each rule long before they became "our rules". Then a ritual was added as part of the document. Finally, at the end of the process the rules that we live by came into being......this thread, post #70



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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/20/2005 12:25:23 PM   
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What was changed then? Just the webcam thing?

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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/20/2005 1:06:49 PM   
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Gloria,
you have our direct e-mail, phone number, and address. You've seen us in person. We've come to your groups munches, and attended your groups "parties", the last one being after this thread was well underway, and you didn't have any questions then, why carry on this discussion here and now?

In case you missed it, WE did not post a portion of our contract here, neither did WE ask anyone to do it, nor were we asked how we would feel about a portion of our unique contract-word for word-being posted here as a topic for discussion. WE never claimed authorship of the "128 Basic Slave Rules" that Mr. Kay claimes authorship of.


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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/20/2005 1:17:01 PM   
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you have our direct e-mail, phone number, and address. You've seen us in person. We've come to your groups munches, and attended your groups "parties", the last one being after this thread was well underway, and you didn't have any questions then, why carry on this discussion here and now?

In case you missed it, WE did not post a portion of our contract here, neither did WE ask anyone to do it, nor were we asked how we would feel about a portion of our unique contract-word for word-being posted here as a topic for discussion. WE never claimed authorship of the "128 Basic Slave Rules" that Mr. Kay claimes authorship of.


The last time I saw you was at my munch with many there. We then went to the jacuzzi where Doug and I came up to the two of you. You briefly talked to Doug about sports...I believe it was baseball. All the while Beth would not even look in our direction the entire time.
Yep, you can say I imagined it...and maybe I did. However so did 3 other people we were in the jacuzzi with observe the same thing I did. They asked me about it at a private party we threw a week later.
So, the reason I never asked is simple. When you are given the look to stay away...its pretty basic.

Now, I am not one of the masses who you sent your contract to here. As I've stated to you many times over the past few months. I know it was your's, because just like you talk to everyone here in private. People talk to me now and then as well. I've gotten questions when the original thread was put up.

Why not carry on the discussion here? Is it not a message board where we discuss things?

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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/20/2005 2:06:21 PM   
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All the while Beth would not even look in our direction the entire time.


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When you are given the look to stay away...its pretty basic.


If this slave didn't look at you the entire time, as you say, then how did you get "the look" you say you got, to stay away? whatever look you think you didn't get or got, that's your own self-generated confusion, can't help you there. If Master instructed His slave not to initiate conversation with people at a party and only speak when spoken to, would we have a conversation in person?

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Why not carry on the discussion here? Is it not a message board where we discuss things?


as this slave stated earlier, WE did not consent to, nor were WE interested in, initiating or responding directly to a public discussion about specific portions of our contract, such as what to do when the UPS guy rings the doorbell and this slave is naked, collared, cuffed and chained as Master has directed for a particular day. Well, duh. Just because the UPS guy rings the doorbell, or anyone else for that matter, doesn't mean this slave is obligated to open it, unless it really IS the authorities. If this slave is meditating or napping or showering or naked in chains, the doorbell doesnt even exist. the UPS guy either leaves the package at the door or a note saying when it can be picked up and goes about the rest of His route. whatever package he is bringing is secondary in importance to what Master has decided for His slave for the day. Just like this message board and the feelings of the people here are farther down the list of importance, with regards to Master and what His desires are for His slave.

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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/20/2005 2:14:27 PM   
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If this slave didn't look at you the entire time, as you say, then how did you get "the look" you say you got, to stay away? whatever look you think you didn't get or got, that's your own self-generated confusion, can't help you there. If Master instructed His slave not to initiate conversation with people at a party and only speak when spoken to, would we have a conversation in person?
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That is the look, the lack of look Merc. As I already stated it very well could have been my own confusion. Just as it was the 3 other's impartial observations of the same scene.
So, myself and 3 other people, none of which were Doug.
Make's me believe I wasn't too off track there.


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as this slave stated earlier, WE did not consent to, nor were WE interested in, initiating or responding directly to a public discussion about specific portions of our contract, such as what to do when the UPS guy rings the doorbell and this slave is naked, collared, cuffed and chained as Master has directed for a particular day. Well, duh. Just because the UPS guy rings the doorbell, or anyone else for that matter, doesn't mean this slave is obligated to open it, unless it really IS the authorities. If this slave is meditating or napping or showering or naked in chains, the doorbell doesnt even exist. the UPS guy either leaves the package at the door or a note saying when it can be picked up and goes about the rest of His route. whatever package he is bringing is secondary in importance to what Master has decided for His slave for the day. Just like this message board and the feelings of the people here are farther down the list of importance, with regards to Master and what His desires are for His slave.


Correct and as I've stated to you prior as well. In private e-mails if I must say as well. Guess you just can't seem to remember anything other than this thread. That's ok though.
At the time I gave my opinion on the contract, which by the way still holds true. I didn't know it to be yours. That was before all of the people you mailed it to came to me.

Since you brought it up, just how exactly do you know if it is the authorities or not? When you cannot get to the door in the first place?
Many scenerios could be put into play, not merely that one.
Fire, other emergency. Many other scenerio's.

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RE:"contracts" - 6/20/2005 2:38:11 PM   
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after all is said n done here........
i but guess, contracts must-be something very few use.

so far since '98 no one has offered one. it is all vocal agreement.


just me here.


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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/20/2005 2:58:39 PM   
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i but guess, contracts must-be something very few use.

so far since '98 no one has offered one. it is all vocal agreement.


I'm surprised it has went on so long myself. I know on several occassions I was done with it. Odd that, people come out of nowhere and bring it back to life.

I do know a few who use contracts. Mostly short term. Works for them. Although there are some key words you never use...like master and slave. In a prior post I attached a file I've had for years on my hard drive. A attorney, or paralegal, kink friendly of course was offering their opinion.

When I was looking for a dom, very few said they used contracts either. I think verbal is much better. Why shut down communication before it has even been established yet?

Although that is my thinking.

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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/20/2005 4:17:56 PM   
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after all is said n done here........
i but guess, contracts must-be something very few use.

so far since '98 no one has offered one. it is all vocal agreement.


just me here.



I do, have and will continue to. As long as they are realistic and feasible.

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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/20/2005 5:00:42 PM   
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As long as they are realistic and feasible


Feasible and realistic for and to you? Because any other are not? Post them so we can see a "realistic & feasible" version.

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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/20/2005 5:20:04 PM   
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D/S LIFESTYLE
Contract "A" For Male Dom
D/s Contract

I, ________________________, with a free mind and an open heart; do request of
_______________________ that He accept the submission of my will unto His and to take me into His care and guidance, that W/we may grow together in love, trust and mutual respect. The satisfaction of His wants, desires, and whims are consistent with my desire as a submissive to be found pleasing to Him. To that end, I offer Him use of my time, talents, and abilities. Further, I ask, in sincere humility, that, as my Master, He accept the keeping of my body for the fulfillment and enhancement of O/our sexual, spiritual, emotional, and intellectual needs. To achieve this, He may have unfettered use of my body any time, any place, in front of anyone; to keep or to give away, as He will determine.

I ask that He guide me in any sexual, sensual, or scene-related behavior, both together with, and separate from Him, in such a way as to further my growth as a person.

I request of _______________________, as my Master, that he use the power vested in His role; to mold and shape me; assisting me to grow in strength, character, confidence, and being, and that He continue to help me to develop my artistic and intellectual abilities.

In return, I agree:

To obey His commands to the best of my ability.

To strive to overcome feelings of guilt or shame, and all inhibitions that interfere with my capability to serve Him and limit my growth as His submissive.

To maintain honest and open communication.

To reveal my thoughts, feelings, and desires without hesitation or embarrassment.

To inform Him of wants and perceived needs, recognizing that He is the sole judge of whether or how these shall be satisfied.

To strive toward maintenance of a positive self-image and development of realistic expectations and goals.

To work with Him to become a happy and self-fulfilled individual.

To work against negative aspects of my ego and my insecurities that would interfere with advancement of these aims.

My surrender as a submissive is done with the knowledge that nothing asked of me will demean me as a person, and will in no way diminish my own responsibilities toward making utmost use of my potential. In recognition of my family obligations, nothing will be required of me that will in any way damage or harm my children, nor interfere with the performance of my duties as mother and as wife.

This I, _______________________, do entreat, with lucidity and the realization of what this means, both stated and implied, in the conviction that this offer will be understood in the spirit of faith, caring, esteem and devotion in which it is given.

Should either of U/us find that our aspirations are not being well served by this agreement, find this commitment too burdensome, or for any other reason wish to cancel, E/either may do so by verbal notification to the O/other, in keeping with the consensual nature of this agreement. W/we both understand that cancellation means a cessation of the control stated and implied within this agreement, not a termination of O/our relationship as friends and lovers. Upon cancellation, each of U/us agrees to offer to the other H/his or her reasons and to assess our new needs and situation openly and lovingly.

This agreement shall serve as the basis for an extension of O/our relationship, committed to in the spirit of loving and consensual dominance and submission with the intention of furthering self-awareness and exploration, promoting health and happiness, and improving both O/our lives.

I offer my consent to submission to ______________________________ under the terms stated above on this the ________ day of _____________ in the year ________.

____________________________
Signature of Submissive

I offer my acceptance of submission by ______________________________ under the terms stated above on this the ________ day of ______________ in the year ________.

____________________________
Signature of Dominant

You can find this contract guideline at; http://www.bdsmcircle.net/dslifestyle/contractam.htm

Others in case any one is interested;

http://www.cufsmaine.org/BDSM%20Contracts.htm

http://ca.geocities.com/bdsm_canada/magvol1iss1/male_dom_fem_sub_contract.htm

http://www.wizdomme.com/infopack/contract2.shtml

http://www.wizdomme.com/infopack/contract1.shtml


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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/20/2005 11:41:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: feline

D/S LIFESTYLE
Contract "A" For Male Dom
D/s Contract

I, ________________________, with a free mind and an open heart; do request of
_______________________ that He accept the submission of my will unto His and to take me into His care and guidance, that W/we may grow together in love, trust and mutual respect. The satisfaction of His wants, desires, and whims are consistent with my desire as a submissive to be found pleasing to Him. To that end, I offer Him use of my time, talents, and abilities. Further, I ask, in sincere humility, that, as my Master, He accept the keeping of my body for the fulfillment and enhancement of O/our sexual, spiritual, emotional, and intellectual needs. To achieve this, He may have unfettered use of my body any time, any place, in front of anyone; to keep or to give away, as He will determine.

I ask that He guide me in any sexual, sensual, or scene-related behavior, both together with, and separate from Him, in such a way as to further my growth as a person.

I request of _______________________, as my Master, that he use the power vested in His role; to mold and shape me; assisting me to grow in strength, character, confidence, and being, and that He continue to help me to develop my artistic and intellectual abilities.

In return, I agree:

To obey His commands to the best of my ability.

To strive to overcome feelings of guilt or shame, and all inhibitions that interfere with my capability to serve Him and limit my growth as His submissive.

To maintain honest and open communication.

To reveal my thoughts, feelings, and desires without hesitation or embarrassment.

To inform Him of wants and perceived needs, recognizing that He is the sole judge of whether or how these shall be satisfied.

To strive toward maintenance of a positive self-image and development of realistic expectations and goals.

To work with Him to become a happy and self-fulfilled individual.

To work against negative aspects of my ego and my insecurities that would interfere with advancement of these aims.

My surrender as a submissive is done with the knowledge that nothing asked of me will demean me as a person, and will in no way diminish my own responsibilities toward making utmost use of my potential. In recognition of my family obligations, nothing will be required of me that will in any way damage or harm my children, nor interfere with the performance of my duties as mother and as wife.

This I, _______________________, do entreat, with lucidity and the realization of what this means, both stated and implied, in the conviction that this offer will be understood in the spirit of faith, caring, esteem and devotion in which it is given.

Should either of U/us find that our aspirations are not being well served by this agreement, find this commitment too burdensome, or for any other reason wish to cancel, E/either may do so by verbal notification to the O/other, in keeping with the consensual nature of this agreement. W/we both understand that cancellation means a cessation of the control stated and implied within this agreement, not a termination of O/our relationship as friends and lovers. Upon cancellation, each of U/us agrees to offer to the other H/his or her reasons and to assess our new needs and situation openly and lovingly.

This agreement shall serve as the basis for an extension of O/our relationship, committed to in the spirit of loving and consensual dominance and submission with the intention of furthering self-awareness and exploration, promoting health and happiness, and improving both O/our lives.

I offer my consent to submission to ______________________________ under the terms stated above on this the ________ day of _____________ in the year ________.

____________________________
Signature of Submissive

I offer my acceptance of submission by ______________________________ under the terms stated above on this the ________ day of ______________ in the year ________.

____________________________
Signature of Dominant

You can find this contract guideline at; http://www.bdsmcircle.net/dslifestyle/contractam.htm

Others in case any one is interested;

http://www.cufsmaine.org/BDSM%20Contracts.htm

http://ca.geocities.com/bdsm_canada/magvol1iss1/male_dom_fem_sub_contract.htm

http://www.wizdomme.com/infopack/contract2.shtml

http://www.wizdomme.com/infopack/contract1.shtml


Enjoy!







i know i am going to be blasted for this;
the one link i clicked on, the contract talks about, "time off"????????
excuse me?
i did 24/7/365 for 15 months and i never HEARD the phrase ''time off''
what in heaven's name is it? i never had, time-off. i do 24/7/365 service...there is NO time off!!!!


and just coz i want to ask..is there ANY contract stipulating to no sex and no love? i am 150% service only and "i" have NOT found 1 SINGLE domme. they all have boyfriends/hubbys.

thanks
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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 3:15:38 AM   
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D/S LIFESTYLE
Contract "A" For Male Dom
D/s Contract


sorry about the quote lol didnt feel the need to quote the whole thing

on my own little level

awwww that is so lovely it reads as a two way street for starters and its non threatening and based on humanity
thanks for posting that feline it was refreshing to read.

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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 7:22:02 AM   
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i know i am going to be blasted for this;
the one link i clicked on, the contract talks about, "time off"????????
excuse me?
i did 24/7/365 for 15 months and i never HEARD the phrase ''time off''
what in heaven's name is it? i never had, time-off. i do 24/7/365 service...there is NO time off!!!!


and just coz i want to ask..is there ANY contract stipulating to no sex and no love? i am 150% service only and "i" have NOT found 1 SINGLE domme. they all have boyfriends/hubbys.




Well, I'm not going to blast you, not even in the way you've blasted feline's contract, but I will say that the beauty of this lifestyle is that people can live it the way that pleases THEM, not others, and it doesn't make them better, worse, or more "true" or "real" than anyone else.

This is the best contract I've seen (and that's just my opinion). The ones that are 100% sexually based are (again, in my opinion) ridiculous and living in fantasyland. But again, if anyone actually lives a contract like that, great, more power to them.

Personally, I like the idea of time off, and I love the clause in the contract about terminating the D/s aspect of the relationship but not necessarily the relationship. It is obviously a contract between two people who love and respect one another and to whom their relationship runs deeper than the D/s.

The way you worded it it sounds like you did hard time in a prison or something. As far as a contract stipulating no sex and no love, why not?

Feline, thanks for posting your contract, it's really great!

cello

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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 9:36:36 AM   
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This is a nice Anne Rice "Beauty" romanticized version perfect for a sub seeking a "service provider" dom; or for someone to dream about as they scourer the chat rooms and boards vicariously living a life that others are living, but being too afraid to surrender. The retention of self, as indicated by every "I" reference, indicates the intention of retained power. But then, as the source site points out, this is just a guide.

As with the rules that we have, it can be the foundation for a very happy and giving relationship. The words on the paper are only there to reinforce and reference the feelings and intent of the people who sign them. The only contract I would criticize and make light of would be mine, taken from a plethora of sources, constructed with short and long term intent, accounting for physical, mental, and emotional needs as well as goals. Why would I make light of it and poke humor at it? Well, if you've ever tried to scene in front of a video camera and watched it afterward, most of the time - hell it's FUNNY. It may have been the most intense scene, but somehow when you watch it, you realize that cameramen and directors are paid for a reason. In the case of our written words, to anyone but us, read without considering the experiences and the feelings we brought to it, it is a document indicating a psychotic serving a paranoid micro-managing psychopath. A "Joan Collins" type ranting like a lunatic at a little girl's use of wire hangers. I'd be the first to point that out.

To me "micro-management" and attention to detail is not a task. Generality and fluff is a great as a broad stroke, the devil is in the detail. Yes we live by our contract. As we go to sleep each night, it sits by our bed. When the world tries to get in our way, when thoughts of business or family issues make us toss and turn our eyes can glance at the framed document and both of us can fall asleep content reminding us of what's really important. It's a reference point, similar to the tattoo each of us wears. Symbolizing something that can't be truly documented - how we feel for each other.

We've shared it with everyone who's asked. We are not embarrassed by who we are or how we live. "Realistic", "Practical"? What has that got to do with this lifestyle? Those words fall under my definition of "Boring". Grandiose, Utopian, satisfying, fulfilling, erotic, exotic, sexy, exciting, unique, and the most important one for us - FUN! - that was our intent. We're always smiling, so I think it's safe to say we are living our fantasy and don't need to read about it. We also don't worry if anyone doesn't believe in it's practicality. We also continue to share with anyone, cynics and nay sayers be damned!

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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 10:43:46 AM   
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This is a nice Anne Rice "Beauty" romanticized version perfect for a sub seeking a "service provider" dom; or for someone to dream about as they scourer the chat rooms and boardsvicariously living a life that others are living, but being too afraid to surrender. The retention of self, as indicated by every "I" reference, indicates the intention of retained power. But then, as the source site points out, this is just a guide.


You appear to look down on those who choose a different path than yours. While I find it difficult sometimes to see what people get out of it, when they are weekend warriors so to speak or have limits within their relationship, it obviously fulfills a need in them or else they would not do it. What's wrong with that? This mindset that one way is somehow better or on a higher level than another is hogwash. If one does not have a need to be a slave with all that entails, it would be foolish of them to pursue that because you or someone else comes along and tells them that if they don't, they are
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vicariously living a life that others are living, but being too afraid to surrender.
While this might be true in some cases...in others, they simply have no desire to actually live it, or desire to live only portions of it. Truly, not everyone is jealous of the way those in an absolute relationship live. Most people don't even grasp the concept of it, let alone desire it for themselves.

You say you are not embarrassed by who you are or how you live. I don't believe anyone should be embarrassed by who they are or how they live. There simply is no "one true way" and its bizarre to me why people feel the need to be "da bomb" and place their kink higher on the pure level than the next guy. I don't "get" a lot of the choices people make <shrug>, but hey...if they are happy, more power to them.


best regards,
fate

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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 11:54:28 AM   
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This is a nice Anne Rice "Beauty" romanticized version perfect for a sub seeking a "service provider" dom; or for someone to dream about as they scourer the chat rooms and boardsvicariously living a life that others are living, but being too afraid to surrender. The retention of self, as indicated by every "I" reference, indicates the intention of retained power. But then, as the source site points out, this is just a guide.


You appear to look down on those who choose a different path than yours. While I find it difficult sometimes to see what people get out of it, when they are weekend warriors so to speak or have limits within their relationship, it obviously fulfills a need in them or else they would not do it. What's wrong with that? This mindset that one way is somehow better or on a higher level than another is hogwash. If one does not have a need to be a slave with all that entails, it would be foolish of them to pursue that because you or someone else comes along and tells them that if they don't, they are
quote:

vicariously living a life that others are living, but being too afraid to surrender.
While this might be true in some cases...in others, they simply have no desire to actually live it, or desire to live only portions of it. Truly, not everyone is jealous of the way those in an absolute relationship live. Most people don't even grasp the concept of it, let alone desire it for themselves.

You say you are not embarrassed by who you are or how you live. I don't believe anyone should be embarrassed by who they are or how they live. There simply is no "one true way" and its bizarre to me why people feel the need to be "da bomb" and place their kink higher on the pure level than the next guy. I don't "get" a lot of the choices people make <shrug>, but hey...if they are happy, more power to them.


best regards,
fate


Certainly there are lots of people on the net that love contracts simply because it makes them feel more official. Like it stamps them "BDSM community approved" or they get the secret decoder ring. Can you imagine how many contracts are tossed around and signed and there are a few erections involved, some hot fantasy, and then pretty much the contract means nil. Whether or not the two people take it seriously or not, who cares -- it gets their rocks off to adopt some "real BDSM" (in their opinion) protocol and adds to their fantasy.

It's the same with this whole "slave register" thing on the net. People are rushing out to get "registered" or looking for someone to "register" -- and what per cent of those people are just doing it to get off on the fact of doing it and it really means nothing to either person? Probably quite a few. There are exceptions, I'm sure.

But, there are those that actually use contracts and work hard on them -- of course. Does it rub the ones that do the wrong way knowing that others are using it simply as a fetish tool? I don't know. Does it bother some of the more "serious" bdsm'ers when others run around "collaring" people left and right, often in net-only relationships, sometimes to the point that a dominant really doesn't even know how many collars are out there? Maybe. It doesn't bother me, because I don't consider a collar to mean anything outside of a BDSM context.

I guess it might be a bit of a bother if you are someone who does these things and takes them extremely seriously, because if a bunch of people are running around talking about how they do it and making it look like a huge joke, you'd be irked to be put in their class.

The concept that one type of BDSM is better because it's "more often" or "more hardcore" or "truly TPE" to me is irrelevant. I don't personally subscribe to a 24/7 power exchange in my relationship, but I don't think that makes my relationship "less" than those that do. Couldn't I just turn that around anyway and say those that live 24/7 power exchange are monotonous and boring, predictable and stale? Because, after all, a 24/7 under contract sub MUST submit, and if the sub is under thumb all the time, where's the fun for the dominant? Where is the thrill of randomly taking power away, for real, for whatever period of time I may say? Hard to conquer a beast that has already surrendered -- of course, the sub could "fake it" -- but hey, this dominant likes real power exchange. Unpredictable. Raw. Full of all that pent up passion from living fairly equal lives for some period of time, suddenly interrupted with my hunger. I could also say that I prefer to save up my mental and emotional energy for domination rather than enforce it daily, so when it comes out, it's a stark contrast, it's truly a change for the sub, and it leads to unbelievable passion and tension.

It all depends on what you want, I suppose.

Akasha



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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 12:09:05 PM   
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I guess it might be a bit of a bother if you are someone who does these things and takes them extremely seriously, because if a bunch of people are running around talking about how they do it and making it look like a huge joke, you'd be irked to be put in their class.


You made some very good points AAkasha, but do you feel that sometimes we can take ourselves too seriously? The only people who will perceive it as a joke are people who don't "get it" in the first place. This lifestyle *is* extremely serious to me, but just because others don't do it the way its done in our relationship, or don't take it as seriously doesn't mean that what they are doing is wrong (for them), or that we are somehow more pure because of it.


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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 12:12:39 PM   
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This is a nice Anne Rice "Beauty" romanticized version perfect for a sub seeking a "service provider" dom; or for someone to dream about as they scourer the chat rooms and boards vicariously living a life that others are living, but being too afraid to surrender. The retention of self, as indicated by every "I" reference, indicates the intention of retained power. But then, as the source site points out, this is just a guide.


I've yet to see your contract other than what ws posted here. I've told you that many times in private and in public. However, what I see here is more like an Ann Rice Sleeping Beauty novel than anywhere.

As you've stated, your contract does not read in real life the way it does here. There are many variables. No clue what they are. Do I desire to really know? Not really. It isn't my relationship. However I do feel if you are going to be passing it around...
"counseling" people that this is the way it is you should put disclaimers on it.
Same as the rest of us do. Quite frankly I know of no one real time who could live by it as I've stated before. Of course as you've stated you don't live by it you manipulate it. I want to make that point very clear since you will respond and say something to the affect.

I'm not here looking for a fight. I just like honesty. You haven't exactly been honest with many here. When you are it is in private as you are saying everyone here is a joke. Which I am sure you've said about me many times in the past to other's as well. Keep saying it...because I have my own feelings as well.

I agree with Storm's if you pull up past slave/sub post's they do tend to look down on the whole world around them.
Feline posted a contract period. One that is on the net for anyone to use. It is not copyrighted like some were. It is to be used as a guideline for people to change and make it their own. She also posted some well written contracts with it.

When asked she produced and that is the bottom line.

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