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bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 4:00:25 PM   
littlesarah


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Status: offline 		hello to A/all who read this.
i am a 19 year old bipolar owned slave. being bipolar, my moodswings tend to get my in trouble quite often. i become defiant at times, angry, even boastful towards my Master. He punishes me sometimes, but not always, and it has become hard for me to over come my moodswings, in recent days. there have been many times even that i have tried to over bear Him and because of Him being at a loss of what to do, He gives in. i know that this is not supposed to happen, so i seek advice from all O/others. thank you

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 4:14:09 PM   
LotusSong


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ORIGINAL: littlesarah

hello to A/all who read this.
i am a 19 year old bipolar owned slave. being bipolar, my moodswings tend to get my in trouble quite often. i become defiant at times, angry, even boastful towards my Master. He punishes me sometimes, but not always, and it has become hard for me to over come my moodswings, in recent days. there have been many times even that i have tried to over bear Him and because of Him being at a loss of what to do, He gives in. i know that this is not supposed to happen, so i seek advice from all O/others. thank you


There is medication for bipolarism.  Are you being treated?

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 4:58:27 PM   
SCDommie


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Status: offline 		I just switched medication.  I have fits of anger at times.   It just depends upon what triggers it off.
I go to a pshyce.  I have mentioned over and over that this is the way to get your problem correctly diagnosed. 
If your Master does not know how to handle bipolar episodes, then perhaps you should seek one who can.  I had to do that until I found my path.

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 5:01:17 PM   
bludemonn


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Status: offline 		Erm are you confusing your bi-polar with submissive urges?

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 5:06:45 PM   
DiurnalVampire


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Status: offline 		Manic swings can most definately cause you to be the more overbearing of the partenership. You and your Master have to do some serious research, and see what you want to do about your mood instability. You are young, and if your swings are that troublesome now, they are going to create more problems as you get older. Therapy helps, medication is an option though not the only one. This is probably affecting far more than your lifestyle interactions, but you just either havent noticed it as blatently, or you havent mentoned it here.
I do know that when my swings start up, I am prone to fits of jealousy, ad I often create problems where they dont have to be.  Thats how mine manifests.  It is problematic, but I can usualy take care of it myself, though I have had far more practice recognizing and controlling it myself than you have.
The one major recommendation would be see a professional, bring your Master with you, perhaps, and make sure you have your information. It wil help to know as much as possible about the disorder if you have any hopes to control it.

DV

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 5:12:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Medication and education would probably be a good option for the both of you.

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 5:26:15 PM   
gandalf0297


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Status: offline 		If he's serious and if he care he will do his research. Here is a good place to start:
http://forums.healthyplace.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=bipolarspouces

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 5:44:34 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		While I can understand bipolar making it difficult to be emotionally stable and in the right frame of mind for things, I'm not sure how it could be used as a reasonable issue for actual behavior or obedience.

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 5:55:45 PM   
ExSteelAgain


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Status: offline 		This has nothing to do with D/s. Go to your physician and tell him how you feel. He will examine you and most likely refer you to a psychiatrist.

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 7:34:32 PM   
Celeste43


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Status: offline 		Sounds like you need your meds adjusted. He may also need to be less overbearing, obey instantly or get punished and more nurturing, daddy dom. Because if your disobedience stems from your mental instability then punishment won't help. In the moment you won't understand it or else you'll be angry and afterwards you're already tearing yourself apart with guilt and don't need extra from him.

You need to get it under control. Medication and therapy for you and education for him including talking to your therapist as to how best to handle you when you are out of control. At your age, an adolescent psychiatrist would be best if you could find one.

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 10:11:02 PM   
obey1


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

While I can understand bipolar making it difficult to be emotionally stable and in the right frame of mind for things, I'm not sure how it could be used as a reasonable issue for actual behavior or obedience.


Hey LA,

I agree with the obedience issue.  Hindsight is 20/20 as they say and my father has been bi-polar since my mother met him (well before I was born).  Growing up as early as 5 there were many things that I did not understand as a child why he would act a certain way at any given time.

At risk of being flamed, I have noticed that many of his manic episodes began with a trigger of sorts.  Sure you can wake up manic, but his episodes usually began at some moment of defiance, remembered, or present.  It could be a simple worker at a bank or fast food restaurant, or it could be his memory of his boss 15 years ago.  Until that very moment he is not manic.  Manic episodes CAN be triggered by the dominant/submissive role that is played out in society.  In his case, if his food order wasn't right, he was immediately manic as to why he needed to be subjected to some other person's incompetence when all he wanted was a chicken wing.....it doesn't really make sense.

You said actual behavior which I highlighted to show my disagreement.  "Actual" anything is what exists, and I have seen alot of 'actual'. But the 'obedience' issue that follows I would be more ready to believe and agree with.  To knowingly go into a submissive relationship under the pretense that you will/do have manic episodes is for ALL to read about and educate themselves and talk through.

Here is where I get flamed.  A person with manic tendencies needs to superimpose some other 'will' in order to be calm during a manic episode.  It is possible.  I do not believe that this 19 year old has a handle on life, let alone her psychological condition to be able to distinguish fairness or even something she agreed to beforehand.  Hell, my father forgets from time to time what normal rules are.

It is a submissive disability to be manic at all.

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 10:24:01 PM   
MasterWilliam55


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Status: offline 		Bipolarism is a medical condition and must be treated as such. Although I had more than one bipolar sub in my life,  I'm not qualified to personally deal with it. I force them into seeking medical help...or I move along.  You can be as caring, loving and patient as you like, but sooner or later it will destroy the relationship in some form or other. Medical intervention, could though, save everything.

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 10:48:37 PM   
MasterWolfen


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Status: offline 		I have seen a number of people (Dom, sub, Master, and slaves ) suffer with bi-polar and depression... Medicines can work for many (dr.s try to claim it works for all - not true ! )... There are some that meds do not work or are marginal at best... However,  for many, the problem can be dealt with by communication between Dom and sub or Master and slave .. In this case, the Dom or Master must work with the slave or sub,  gently guiding her to communicate her feelings and help her to work through them effectively ...  If it is a Master, Mistress, or Dom that has the bi-polar problem,  They Must learn to control the flare up of emotions (counciling can help) and must try everything to stay in stable control ... The sub or slave must do their best to help and completely accept their Master/ Mistress/ Dom ... Open, honest and total communication is a Must...
These are My opinions gleaned from the experiences I have had and the experiences I have learned from others ...
I do hope this post helps ...
Herr Master Wolfen 

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/12/2007 11:11:13 PM   
MasterWilliam55


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Status: offline 		MasterWolfen...Your suggestion wouldn't hurt.  But bipolarism is a chemical imbalance that occurs in the brain...not simply a psychological one. It is a very complicated condition. Milder cases can be controlled through drugs and intervention.  Stronger cases,may never be. You have to decide what You can live with. I've been there, done that, and let me say, it can tear you up.

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/13/2007 5:05:58 AM   
Mariposa


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Status: offline 		I'm always pleased to see people engage in earnest dialogue concerning kink and mental health. little sarah, I'm not sure what kind of advice/support you are looking for, but as someone who is also bipolar, I find that the best way for me to navigate my shifts in consciousness is for me to be hyper-aware of my body. When I'm aware of and comfortable in my own skin and my own head, I find that it is much easier for me to communicate with my partners. Not to sound trite, but communication- aside from being the key to all healthy relationships- is particularly crucial if you are trying to navigate life with a mental illness/developmental difference. Since you're 19, it is likely that your bipolar is a recent development. (My manic phases didn't enter my life until age twenty. Prior to that, I had been diagnosed with depression.) There are a host of resources available to bipolar people. You have the option to be medicated or unmedicated, to see a therapist, to attend support group meetings, or to try and navigate your own path. If you find yourself looking for a therapist, a good place to start would be your local GLBT center. At least in Philadelphia, the Mazzoni Center is known for its kink-friendly psychiatrists. Believe me, nothing is worse than a therapist who focuses treatment on your very satisfying sex-life.

For support from others with bi-polar check out the Icarus Project- a radical mental health network.

www.theicarusproject.net

Be well,

Mari

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/13/2007 5:17:19 AM   
tangldupinblue


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Status: offline 		i also have bipolar and Dayy put me on a work out routine everyday, it helps alot with the xtra energy that i have and anytime i feel like i'm starting to lose it i work out hard. i never liked any of the meds that i was on and this has helped more then anything i have ver tried.

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/13/2007 5:18:13 AM   
Mariposa


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Status: offline 		Not a flame, BUT being manic does not disable submission. Different people process chemicals and emotions...well, differently. If I am manic (or depressed), I will communicate that to my partner. It takes a certain level of meta-cognizance to be able to do so, but telling my tops what is going on with me chemically is (to me) the same as my advising them that they need to be careful with the broken skin on my right nipple or something similar.

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/13/2007 7:52:49 AM   
littlesarah


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Status: offline 		a correction to many peoples term of Manic. being Manic is the overly happy side of being bipolar, being depressed is the sad, angry and other. i do have a psychiatrist already, although i feel he is really stupid and doesnt know anything about being one. mayb i should try and change them, but my psychiatrist doesnt know if that needs to be done unless i tell him it does... mayb i need a new one. thank you for all your advice

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/13/2007 7:55:49 AM   
mixielicous


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Status: offline 		in a recent thread i started about questioning the possibility of me being bipolar i was explained to that mania takes many forms, not just the classic hyper state

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RE: bipolarism and the lifestyle. - 2/13/2007 8:00:49 AM   
Celeste43


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterWolfen

I have seen a number of people (Dom, sub, Master, and slaves ) suffer with bi-polar and depression... Medicines can work for many (dr.s try to claim it works for all - not true ! )... There are some that meds do not work or are marginal at best... However,  for many, the problem can be dealt with by communication between Dom and sub or Master and slave .. In this case, the Dom or Master must work with the slave or sub,  gently guiding her to communicate her feelings and help her to work through them effectively ...  If it is a Master, Mistress, or Dom that has the bi-polar problem,  They Must learn to control the flare up of emotions (counciling can help) and must try everything to stay in stable control ... The sub or slave must do their best to help and completely accept their Master/ Mistress/ Dom ... Open, honest and total communication is a Must...
These are My opinions gleaned from the experiences I have had and the experiences I have learned from others ...
I do hope this post helps ...
Herr Master Wolfen 


Prior to five years ago I would have agreed with you about medication not always being effective. However in the last five years three new meds have come on the market that control Bipolar II, which does not respond to the age old usage of lithium and depacote.

And nobody in the throes of suicidal depression can just push it to the side and accept somebody else's orders to go wash the dishes or whatever. Neither can someone in a delusional manic state. The important words here are suicidal and delusional. And that's why an uncontrolled bipolar cannot be obedient.

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