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blue^elf -> Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/11/2005 8:00:22 PM)

Hi all,

I hope this won't sound wrong. But I want to say something about so-called internet protocols. That is, certain ways BDSM people talk and behave in chat on the internet.

I was just watching a not too friendly discussion about uppercase and lowercase nicks on IRC again. A new sub came in with an uppercase nick, and was instantly seen as a Domme because of the uppercase nick. She didn't know about the "rule", and was quite surprised. Boy did she get to hear it when she mentioned it. Then the discussion turned less friendly.

I got annoyed, I couldn't help it. My tolerance for intolerant people is shrinking. It got too stupid when people said it was disrespectful for a sub not to lowercase her nick.

I am a submissive. In all my time in BDSM channels on IRC (almost 6 1/2 years) I have used a lowercase nick. Most of that time I have used the nick I am using now - blue^elf. But 3 times in these years I have capped up. Or rather, I have used my real name: Karl. I have done that to show how stupid it gets when people make up silly internet rules and don't use their brains.

Most of the time I follow the normal ways people behave in these channels. I have my lowercase nick, I address Dommes as Ma'am, when I talk to Dommes I say "You" rather than "you", and so on. I don't have a problem with it. But I also know that those things aren't rules carved in stone. And I know it is an internet thing, not real life BDSM.

Sometimes I get really annoyed or just laugh when people seem to think that those rules are super important. They often call themselves "real life BDSM'ers", but they still see internet slang as hard rules. It's too stupid.

Turn your computer off. Turn your back to it, go out your door and meet BDSM people in real life. That is, face to face, close enough to touch them. Then see how much the difference between an uppercase and a lowercase nickname is worth. Pronounce (that is, with your voice, not a keyboard) an uppercase and a lowercase nick and show me the difference.

I hear people say that you have to have a way to see the difference on line between dominants and submissives. There aren't many ways to show it on line, so you need a special way to show it. Well...

Look out into the real world. Peek into a BDSM club for a moment. Sure, you may see differences between submissives and dominants at a party where the participants are wearing the typical fetish gear. But then consider that BDSM is much more than staged parties. Look outside of the clubs. Take 50 real life BDSM'ers and look at them outside of the party/fetish setting. Who is the Dom or Domme, and who is the submissive? Just look at them. Don't talk to them. Just look. Maybe you can tell with a few of them, but I bet that with most of them you can't tell for sure if they are dominant or submissives just by looking at them.

Most BDSM'ers don't "look like" dominants or submissives. Many submissives can look pretty dominant in their everyday life, even if they are clearly submissive in some ways. Dominants can be quiet and not super extrovert. And certainly not the demanding, bossy types they are often made out to be in BDSM clichés. And BDSM people don't wear a fetish costume 24 hours a day. To be certain of what they are, you have to TALK to them! Or at the very least, watch them interact with others. People don't wear big signs on their back or chest saying "I am a dominant!" or "I am a submissive!".

That's exactly how it is on the internet, too. You have to talk with people, or at least watch them with others, to know for certain what they are. At least that's how it would be if people had a little bit more patience. But normal talking takes time. It's much easier if you can just look at a nick and then throw yourself at the feet of the nearest uppercase person. Or throw out commands to the nearest lowercase person.

I still don't see a problem with it if people don't take it all too seriously. But when people make these stupid shortcuts into hard rules, it gets plain ridiculous.

You may have noticed that I am writing this post in plain English. English isn't my first language, but I speak it fairly well, so I manage. I could have lowercased my own "I" (i) and said "BDSM P/people" and so on. But that would have been bad English, and not very easy to read. It can work in chat to a degree. But not in a post or a letter.

So some people think it is disrespectful of a submissive to not use a lowercase nick in chat. Well, my name has an uppercase letter at the start of it. Karl, not karl. Oh, and Olsen, not olsen. All real names are like that, both in English speaking countries and in Norway where I am from. It is certainly disrespectful for anyone to demand that I lowercase my name. I use a lowercase nick on IRC, but that is my own choice. I follow what is most normal on IRC. But if people start demanding that I do it, then I am not playing the game anymore.

If you can't show respect in other ways than by using uppercase or lowercase nicks and other words on line, you are hopeless and need to learn a lesson or ten about respect.

Some people say that chat (in this case IRC) is different, and that no matter how "real life" you are, you have to abide by the "rules" that are on chat. However, the very same people usually make a big point *in chat* out of how real life they are. The very same people who tell people to follow the internet slang, often put others down for playing on line.

I don't have a lot of real life experience. And I have done my share of cyber play, even plain cyber sex at times. But I have seen real life BDSM. I have talked with people, I have been to clubs, and I have played a little. I am not a different person when I am talking on line. I am still the same me.

I dare say that real life is still more important than cyber play. Uppercase or lowercase nicks don't get any more important just because some people say they do. Playing on IRC and other kinds of chat is fine. But we need to know about real life, too. And many people obviously need to be reminded that even if they are only playing on line, other people are not. For me, I am a submissive, not a "cyber sub", even if I sometimes play on line. There is a difference there.

To conclude: Live by the "uppercase/lowercase rule" if you want to. But don't expect that everyone else will. Such "rules" are an internet invention, not real BDSM. They have nothing to do with respect. It's fine if most people behave that way. But there are exceptions, and those people are doing nothing wrong. Live with it. Life isn't easy, not even on the internet.




onceburned -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/11/2005 8:20:50 PM)

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To conclude: Live by the "uppercase/lowercase rule" if you want to. But don't expect that everyone else will.


Huh??? Live and let live....what kind of rule is that?

[sm=tongue.gif]




ProtagonistLily -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/11/2005 8:30:58 PM)

This was a really really excellent post.

Lily




MidnightWriter -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/11/2005 8:42:42 PM)

That whole U/upper L/lower case thing started, I've always believed, on one popular web site - but I never logged in there, and may be mistaken. On alt.sex.bondage, the usenet newsgroup where BDSM (The Acronym - coming soon to a munch near you) was coined, it was largely regarded as a bad joke. Before the World Wide Wait was created, a.s.b was the central point for all internet-based discussion of BDSM, or WIITWD. If I trip across a web site where it's local custom, I leave. Here, it's tolerated, but not expected or typical.

Personally, I love running into people who insist that I'm doing BDSM "wrong" - especially about a web-only contrivance that has no application at all in Real Life. But then, I'm a sadist. [:D] Hurting these peoples' feelings is almost a public service.

You can go back and fight with them over their narrow-mindedness, and if you wish, I'll come up with some good lines for you - I used to lurk on alt.flame, too, where spirited disagreement was an honored art form. Or you can put your energies toward something more productive, and hang out in places that are tolerant of all consensual kinks.

I prefer the latter, with an occasional foray into OTW territory to deflate some easy egos. Your time, your energy, your call. But there's not a whole lot of point to coming here to talk about it - I think you're preaching to the choir.




BeachMystress -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/12/2005 1:13:53 AM)


I do not expect my name capitalized by anyone who doesn't know me. Subs who know me seem to call me Ms. Beach automatically and Domme just call me Beach. If someone comes into a chat room and calls me beach.. so what? A capital letter does not make or unmake me Dominant, nor does the appellation, Ms.. If I need that capital letter or appellation to be recognized as a Dominant, perhaps I'm not one. It is a sad fact, but the internet encourages people to be lazy. I take not capitalizing my name as that unless they go to great lengths to let me know I am being insulted.

I have run into the people in IRC who are capital rabid. I do not cap my name in IRC. It takes having to change it every time, and I run on an icky java client.. I know there are better available.. but I am constrained to use this one. I was in one of the Mistress and male submissive rooms and having a nice conversation with a few of the sub about sounding. None of the other "Domme" in the room bothered to join in or put forth any BDSM topics of their own. They were conducting social lives in the room, which is fine. I just expected to have at least one other female in there who was actually interested in the art of Domination. Boy was I to get a shock. I guess I had been the subject of a rash of private messages between them. I was very belligerently told by the females in the room that I was NOT a Domme as my name wasn't capitalized, even though I'd been discussing techniques that were from my own experience (keep in mind that I use the same name there as here.. beachmystress, which I consider pretty indicative as to where my orientation lies.)

When I pointed out that I had a technical problem with capping, but would be happy to discuss techniques in any topic they wished in general BDSM or direct them to photos of my sessions if they felt they needed some "proof" that I was an actual real time Domme, I was laughed at and told that anyone could download photos off the internet. I pointed out I had a yahoo group of my personal session photos and was willing to discuss any of the photos in detail. I was trying to get along at that point.

Not one of the "Domme" was able to engage me and talk about real time experiences or techniques.. By this time, the subs were going nuts over me. It was pretty obvious that I actually DID the stuff most of the women conducting social lives claimed to do. This drove the room females nuts, and they got vicious, calling me a fake, a poser and such. I had never been in a chat room like that before. It was like walking into a camp of jealous chimps who band together to drive away the scary newcomer who may take the male's attention away.

When I asked exactly WHAT their problem was, as I had explained the lack of caps and offered to provide proof of my identity, the room "moderator" finally chimed in. She told me that I was rude and disruptive and was obviously someone with a bad attitude. My answer to that was not quite so polite. To that point I'd be quite polite and just confused by the attitudes, but being accused of being rude was just too much. I childishly showed them just how rude a pissed off Domme who understands a bit of human nature can be. No, I'm not proud of telling them off. I'm human and sometimes slip into petty or immature behaviour. I've tried to learn from the experience, increase my patience and just walk away from groups of "Domme" who seem to have a harem of online subs. I've unkindly dubbed them "attention sluts." ([8D]Hey, I'm still human.. I said I TRIED to learn, not that I had) and have to stop myself from teasing them. I do manage to not tease them 99% of the time, so I am growing. :-) I did end up banned from the room. *smiles* I decided their loss and went where I could find women who actually discussed BDSM.

The bottom line is, I don't care what anyone online calls themselves. I deal with people based on their behaviour and manners. To me, online is a mostly social world where you can also exchange some tips with other Dominants. I will walk away from any online "situation" that causes ripples such as anger in my "real" life. While I enjoy online chat and forums, to me it isn't worth stress.




darkinshadows -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/12/2005 4:51:57 AM)

In the world of the chat room, I can see how the upper/lower caps can assist people in discovering 'what' a person is.

But as you have shown in your post, it doesn't always work. For newbies, it is terrifying. Can't do this, mustn't do that, talk this way, on your knees, don't look, do look.... and now... Your name must be.....yadayadayada.

Sometimes, I am dark~angel. Othertimes, I am ~Angel~(thats with an A) Deal with it. Don't like the way i sign? Tough... My choice(you aint the boss of me[;)])

Protocols? Stuff protocols. If I wished for protocols, I would be in the army... I would be in what others call 'real-life'... what some lifestylers call 'vanilla'... BDSM is about CHOICE, TRUST & CONSENSUALITY... respect for ALL ideas, even if we can't understand them for ourselves.

Sometimes, I am bemused by the closed minds that most 'openminded' people have....


*this is offically one of Angel's less diplomatic posts[:D]




LadyAngelika -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/12/2005 5:06:10 AM)

quote:

You may have noticed that I am writing this post in plain English. English isn't my first language, but I speak it fairly well, so I manage. I could have lowercased my own "I" (i) and said "BDSM P/people" and so on. But that would have been bad English, and not very easy to read. It can work in chat to a degree. But not in a post or a letter.


English isn't my first language either. Perhaps, like you, this is one of the reasons I try not to mess it up with online bdsm protocol.

Now and then I'll cap Mistress or Domme and my alias name Angelika as well as my real name starts with a capital letter. I kind of like it kept that way, and like Beach, I assume that if someone doesn't cap it, there usually is no bad intention (I actually get more annoyed when someone calls me Angelica - lol ).

I actually went through a phase where I capped a submissive's real name in chat with them and they would say "Miss, why are you capping my name?" to which I'd respond, "Because that is the way your parents intended it to be written". Ha!

I've come to respect writing people's names the way they wish to have it written and for the rest, I follow grammar rules and now and then a few personal preferences in terms of the words I capitalise.

- LA




ScooterTrash -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/12/2005 5:37:34 AM)

blue^elf, I do understand your frustration, particularly if it caused an innocent submissive grief simply because they did not know. I also agree in part with your analogy of looking at a group outside and not being able to tell...but given couple minutes of speaking with them, it does generally become obvious, sorta works that way in chat too. I don't know if the situation you spoke of was caused so much by the Cap/uncap unwritten rule so much as simply a bad attitude on the part of the room participants. In my way of thinking, you should assist and nurture newbies in whether it's in on-line or R/L protocol. Yes, perhaps it's a silly rule, but then again it can be a valuable first step as a training tool. I think a lot of laws in real life are silly as well, but if I see a valid reasoning behind them, I reluctently (lol) abide by them. I for one simply accepted the Cap/uncap protocol and have always used it for basically the same reason. I also am happy to explain to a newbie the point of it (simply a quick identity tool) and after that they can choose if they want to do it or not, not an issue with me actually. Just my thoughts...


And applause to BeachMystress...that is a problem with the rule isn't it...they just Cap their name and they think that makes them a Dominant..ha ha.




nella -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/12/2005 8:00:43 AM)

This is similar to the debate of what to call dominants. If they wish me to cal them Sir or Madam, sure i can do that, but i also know that many do not, so usualy i wait and see if they want to be adressed a certin way. But somtimes that gets you called disrespectful. i guess you cant pleese all the pepole all the time.




stef -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/12/2005 8:09:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MidnightWriter

That whole U/upper L/lower case thing started, I've always believed, on one popular web site - but I never logged in there, and may be mistaken.

Which popular website was that?

~stef




FLButtSlut -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/20/2005 12:36:41 PM)

Wow! Some terribly amusing stuff here. Ok, at the risk of getting totally bashed as the "uninformed newbie"....

MidnightWriter, I nearly fell off my chair after your comment about your public duty, and I, too, have read in various other places where the upper/lower case nonsense came into being.

BeachMystress, as you say, YOU know who you are, and how does the simple capitalization or not of your name change that? When talking with vanilla type friends on the internet, if they use your given name, do you insist that they capitalze it as it is should be? Of course not. I would like to have been a fly on the wall to hear your digress to childishly telling them off! The only thing about your post that bothered me was that you felt a need to prove yourself to them with your website. I never feel a need to prove who I am to anyone who has not yet become a part of my life.

Which brings me to the point where I shall withstand the bashing. Yes, I am submissive, and relatively new at it, however, I have done quite a bit a research and "dabbled" over the years. I rarely if ever go to chat rooms, not because I am the least bit worried about how others will react to what I have to say, but because I simply can't follow them. As for how I address someone? I am searching for my "special someone", but until I find them and agree to anything with them, I am my own person. If I am "unowned", I expect to be treated with respect, and I respond in kind. I don't go to munches and parties, nor am I interested in public play (at this time anyway), and so for me, when talking with someone, we are merely two people with similar interests, and neither is superior to the other. Would I capitalize the names of the people I am talking to? I type their names exactly as they have them in their profile whether it be in the form of a proper noun (as mine is) or in e.e. cummings format, as I see it as their choice. Call me crazy, but I don't feel the inclination to call anyone "master" just because that is what they call themselves. If they are not MY master, then they are just another person.

So, ok, I'm braced for the backlash of how disrespectful I am, but as I said, until such time as the title is earned, I do not feel that it is a matter of respect. Sorry, all.




BeachMystress -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/20/2005 1:04:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut
BeachMystress, as you say, YOU know who you are, and how does the simple capitalization or not of your name change that? When talking with vanilla type friends on the internet, if they use your given name, do you insist that they capitalze it as it is should be? Of course not. I would like to have been a fly on the wall to hear your digress to childishly telling them off! The only thing about your post that bothered me was that you felt a need to prove yourself to them with your website. I never feel a need to prove who I am to anyone who has not yet become a part of my life.


I didn't feel a need to prove myself. I was trying to make them feel easier about accepting me. Sometimes, presenting credentials up front makes others feel better. Since so much of the online drivel is based upon who is real and who is not, offering such seemed like an appropriate response.

Also, *grins* I looooove to share my photos. I have a visual media fetish, which makes me more than happy to trot them out.

I'm not quite sure why you say you're "braced for the backlash of how disrespectful" you are, since I didn't see anything rude or disrespectful in your post.




sterlingsweet -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/20/2005 2:05:45 PM)

I thought your post was very well stated.
Welcome to the boards of CM![;)]




FLButtSlut -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/20/2005 2:30:56 PM)

BeachMystress, certainly enjoying sharing your pictures with others is ALWAYS a great reason, and I meant no insult in the statement. I do not feel a need to make others more comfortable with who I am or state to be, that is part of what makes me who I am. I do have a tendency to leave people to their own issues if they question who I am. As for "bracing for the backlash"....look at what you went through by simply trying to chat and share with people, let alone be a sub and make statements that "those" kind of people would view as base disrespect!




CitizenCane -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/20/2005 2:31:10 PM)

Right on, blue^elf! Nice post, and, I must say, a much better command of the English language than many of the native-speakers on the boards exhibit. I can't really get worked up on the subject as long as it pertains to what people choose to do themselves- it's the Caps Police that get me going. It's a convenience on the internet for people to use names that give some hint of their gender and orientation, but that's all it is. After all, until you meet someone in person, all this is somewhat speculative anyway. One thing I do find a bit annoying is the touchiness some people exhibit about the 'correct' form of their nicks (and no, I'm not refering to LadyAngelika- I haven't seen her get snitty about it). Short of distortions that are deliberately offensive, I think it's reasonable to expect people to abbreviate and/or sometimes miss-spell your nick. Especially folks with long nicks, lots of numerals, and other non-alphabetic characters.
I do find A/all T/that C/cap S/slash l/LOWER c/Case stuff kind of annoying- it gets a little hard to read after awhile- but if somebody wants to wear out their pinkies doing it, who am I to tell them no? It's really not any more annoying than the quasi-literates who are unable to capitalize anything. I try to regard it as the kind of affliction more to be pitied than censured.





stormsfate -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/20/2005 2:39:23 PM)

Speaking of a.s.b.....this reminds me of something Polly Peachum wrote about in regard to IRC chats. I chuckled when she first wrote it, and still chuckle every time I run across it.

http://www.submissivewomenspeak.net/irctalk.htm

best regards,
fate




GentleLady -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/20/2005 5:21:59 PM)

Thank you for the link stormsfate. It puts what I feel into words the way I have not been able to. The next time I struggle to explain this to someone I will just direct them to the link.

Gentle Lady




temptation -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/21/2005 1:42:39 AM)

I'm actually more amused by the number of kinksters the queen of england must have knighted in the last few years.




Xelebes -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/21/2005 6:01:39 PM)

To lowercase my nick would be really stupid. It's my nickname for everything. I use it in my signatures of my works. Forcing me to use it is simply out of the question. xelebes is not my nickname. However, I will allow others to use the lower case in reference. I couldn't care if you lacked the time to press the shift button. I'm ok with that.




Tangwystal -> RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet (3/21/2005 8:42:39 PM)

One of my pet peaves as well. It's an absurdity, but the internet seems to attract way too many absurd people.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with respect or identification of "what you are" because being submissive is *not* what I am. It is only part of what I am.

There was a comment made by the instructor of a workshop I attended recently that really struck home with me, because it's how I see myself.

"Many *submissives* are dominate people who have chosen to submit to someone."

I think he also added something about it being so much more of a turnon to know that this dominate person was willing to submit to him, but I don't know if it was in the same workshop.

I think I strayed off the topic.. [:)]




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