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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie



Hi,

You should read the gorean forum...the free women/free companions out number the slaves pretty significantly these days. From what I understand it is a very small number of Gorean men who are interested in owning slaves(and most of the men have a wife/gf that is free)..and it doesn't have anything to do with BDSM.. anymore then Roman, Egyptian or early American slavery did. It is not almost exclusively Master/slave dynamics you have been misinformed, if you go over to the Gorean forum and ask they will gladly explain that. Some Goreans may engage in BDSM with slaves or their lovers/mates nobody denies that but the underlying principles that make someone Gorean have nothing to do with slaves or slavery or mastery.

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

I don't see any reason I shouldn't visit, say, the Ask a Mistress section or any other.  On a public board, we expect people to share ideas, so long as the ideas we share are respectful.  If we spent our whole lives avoiding new (and sometimes potentially offensive) conversations and people, we'd live very, very dull lives.

At the same time, I wouldn't hesitate to post on a 'lesbian' or 'ask a male submissive' section if they had one here.  I also wouldn't go out of my way to write saying that I thought male submissives were silly or useless if I felt they were (I don't by the way, I've known some great men who were submissive.)  There are closed communities elsewhere on the net and in real life that cater to such exclusivity, and I welcome people to enjoy private clubs in private.

My advice to anyone who wants to enjoy the Gorean forums, is not to come in guns blazing.  You don't walk into a Harley bar wearing a green leather catsuit, and challenge them to race your new Honda.  Lurking a few days, offering a few questions, and generally appearing interested in learning makes a world of difference, online and off.

Stephan

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

I then stated that I do not go there because I can not maintain the required amount of civility regarding certain subjects. I am not Gorean. I do not have anything greater then a passing desire to learn about it and furthermore, most of what I have to say about their attitudes, demostrated by the Goreans here, towards male submissves and other subjects is rude at best. You don't want to know what it is at worst.

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ORIGINAL: obey1

Aquatic,

May I make a suggestion?  As Richard Greico said at the end of "Night at the Roxbury"....Doug is not ready.

I observe that you have a mild infatuation with Gor.  You can't wrap your mind around it but you can't look away either.  It is part of your profile description text.  Anyone who types in 'Gor' as a keyword is going to be brought to your profile, and then there you are stating you don't understand it.  That is like an invitation for disaster, especially when you admidt you have nothing nice to say in that community.

Why not let sleeping dogs lie and remove that portion of your profile, or at least spell the term backwards or something.  Searching keywords, female sub, gor, is going to lead them right to you.

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

Um... I think she is a masochist.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

This is the best answer I've gotten to my question. Thank you. I still don't understand....

Aha!  I now see that you are what the vanilla world would call a 'shit starter'.  You have some kind of vendetta.
 
Sometimes Gor claims to be different from BDSM.

And you are right there in the midst of it each and every time, ever caring that they would do that sometimes.  What a wonderful watchdog you are!

If Gor was different BDSM, then the men wouldn't be seeking slaves almost exclusively.

Excuse me?  That sentence makes no sense in either world.  You could have said that for plantation owners before the civil war.  You do not understand Gor 'only passing'.  How can you make this assumption or conclusion?  And how can you make the same assumption/conclusion about what you are seeing in BDSM?

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ORIGINAL: obey1


So Bita, you believe then the book was immaculately conceived in his mother's womb and popped out with him?

Come again? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

You say tea, I say rice.  Maybe it is rice tea.

Yes, that was my point.. BDSM was 'already going on' and we certainly wouldn't be 'eating vanilla' every night if Lange hadn't written Imaginative Sex. You do realize that we are saying the same thing here?

I am not sure.  I always order vanilla ice cream.  I think the vanilla bean is very tasty on the tongue.  What flavor is BDSM then, Rocky Road?  And what about Gor, Area 51 Mint Chocolate Chip?  What flavor then is 'base' ice cream, plain milk?  Vanilla is a flavor, and a very strong, pungent one at that.

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It is historical because it was commenting on what was.  It was educative because it gave people a new perspective that was rapidly coming on the scene. SOMEONE had to do it or was bound to do it.....

Perhaps, but I fail to see your point here considering the post I made was prompted by someone's claim that we'd all be eating vanilla every night and I disagree with that.

We're on the same page here. Perhaps we interpreted Fusions post differently, but I suspect that I've had more contact with him than you have so perhaps I know him a bit better. I took him to mean what he said, that we'd all be eating vanilla every night if not for Imaginative Sex. If he meant something different from that, I'm sure he'll pop in and clear it up. If what he said was actually what he meant (and why would he have said it if it wasn't) then my opinion stands.

Ok, well I will not get into who knows who better, etc. but yes, my interpretation of what he said was that something can not exist without documentation.  That is why I originally produced my long and lengthy list of books and events in the last 60 years.  I was focusing on "the first mainstream non-fiction" book.  I tend to postulate that because he did also invent Gor and that went a similar but seperate way, that is why we here at 'BDSM world' do not bring it up as much as we could, because there is the feeling of bastardization of having two 'half-sisters'.  So Imaginative Sex is not given the proper credit in BDSM because the same person wrote the 'ficticious' Chronicles of Gor.  It is subtle prejudice.  It would be like Albert Einstein producing the works of Issac Asimov under that pen name.  The delve into fiction would make people question the math and physics of his professorship.  One sandwich short of a picnic, as they say.

I'll keep the dancing banana though..

Good, it is great for a dancing banana split with vanilla, rocky road, and mint chocolate chip ice cream!  Garnish with Bit 'o Honeys.

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

I don't see any reason I shouldn't visit, say, the Ask a Mistress section or any other.  On a public board, we expect people to share ideas, so long as the ideas we share are respectful.  If we spent our whole lives avoiding new (and sometimes potentially offensive) conversations and people, we'd live very, very dull lives.

At the same time, I wouldn't hesitate to post on a 'lesbian' or 'ask a male submissive' section if they had one here.  I also wouldn't go out of my way to write saying that I thought male submissives were silly or useless if I felt they were (I don't by the way, I've known some great men who were submissive.)  There are closed communities elsewhere on the net and in real life that cater to such exclusivity, and I welcome people to enjoy private clubs in private.

My advice to anyone who wants to enjoy the Gorean forums, is not to come in guns blazing.  You don't walk into a Harley bar wearing a green leather catsuit, and challenge them to race your new Honda.  Lurking a few days, offering a few questions, and generally appearing interested in learning makes a world of difference, online and off.

Stephan

 
If you go make and reread my post you will see that nowhere did I suggest that anyone else limit where they go on the forums. I then stated that I do not go there because I can not maintain the required amount of civility regarding certain subjects. I am not Gorean. I do not have anything greater then a passing desire to learn about it and furthermore, most of what I have to say about their attitudes, demostrated by the Goreans here, towards male submissves and other subjects is rude at best. You don't want to know what it is at worst.
 
I respect Goreans who are polite, thoughtful and intelligent. Because I have had some positive encounters with them in the non-Gorean forums I see no need to invade "their" space where my only responses are completely unneeded. I can offer no advice from a Gorean point of view, so while I look occasionally, it's just not a place where I am comfortable.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Any "philosophy" that wants to use as pillars the notions that  men are better than women and that all women want to serve as sex slaves to men has a rather weak foundation.

My impression of it is that it is a useful tool for predators who prey on people who have not yet learned to distinguish between someones words and someone's deeds.

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ORIGINAL: slavekara

Greetings Aquaticsub,

This girl would like to answer your question. In the books free women are just uncollared slaves, this girl metioned in her last post that in the books the philosephy was that Men are leaders, no matter what and in the books a free woman was just a women who didnt belong. to a man.

Its the philosephy that was around many hundred years ago.

That actually doesn't answer the question I asked, which is: Why, if women can be in power and be respected, do Gorean always seem to seek slaves? I have heard many times that in the books women can have places of power yet a Gorean man never seeks such a woman. That says they are viewed as unnatural and undesirable. That doesn't seem to be a good model for society. Men have been in charge of our planet for years. Look where it got us.

from what i can gather from her reply, is that if this free woman in who is in power, were have a man smitten with her and she accepts his advances, by gor default- this would transcend her into the life of slavery