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ShiftedJewel -> Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 10:32:59 AM)

Ok, I've come across this in chatting with some sub/slaves that have contacted us and I have to wonder how much of what they say is posturing and how much is real? Are they saying what they think we want to hear? Or are there really sub/slaves that are so extreme that they border on being scary? And keep in mind that we don't scare easily. But when someone starts asking us if we could own them and when we get tired of them we could just kill them and bury them in the back yard... well, to me that suicide by proxy and it scares me. That is among the list of grizzly things I've heard lately. So, help me out here, is it posturing? I really hope it is.

Jewel



GreyStorm -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 10:36:31 AM)

hyperbole



darkinshadows -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 10:42:34 AM)

Maybe ask if they are no limits?

So soon, yes...
...hyperbole.*nodding in agreement*



mergingdreams -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 10:43:03 AM)

I am with you I hope it is. Would be scary if someone actually wanted that and if so I would run like the gates of hell were opening under my feet. I truly cannot imagine someone not even in a relationship with the other person pondering death if it is gone. I can understand the thoughts if in a long term commited relationship wondering what you will do if it is not there. (please note not even suggesting the death thing or suicide) just knowing that you would be lost. My parents are on their way to 50 years of marriage and neither is getting younger. I have a hard time imagining one without the other and sometimes wonder what will happen if one dies before the other. Not being morbid just more out of worry for either one and what if that happens will I need to do to facilitate their getting through it.

But in the sense you are talking about as a submissive I cannot even imagine saying that even in trying to show your degree of commitment to the lifestyle. To me that is more than a bit disturbing about where their mind set is.
~MD~



BeachMystress -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 10:48:48 AM)


It isn't posturing so much as using you to generate wank off material for their fantasy life. Very few people are mentally ill enough to actually desire these things that some of these "subs" come up with. The worst I was asked was to infest a subs penis with insect larvae, which would hatch and devour the sub's penis. That one is just an extreme version of the castration fantasy. Do I think the guy really wants it? No. Do I think he spills gallons of cum thinking about it? Yes.

I pretty much judge how real a person is by what they think someone will be willing to do to them without being in a long term, committed relationship. For the most part, the more outrageous an aspect of the fantasy, such as your back yard grave guy, the less likely they are real. No matter how real this guy thinks he is, when it comes time to meet, he'll chicken out. He does not really wish to serve so devotedly. He likes the idea of it. It gets him horny and hard.

Some of the subs will tell you what you want to hear. I learned that the hard way by being too open about my likes and dislikes. I was getting into situations where subs who told me they liked XY and Z really liked PQ and R, but were desperate enough to get any Domme, that they lied to catch my interest. That wastes everyone's time and is a personal pet peeve of mine. Trust and honesty go both ways.



MadameBette -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 10:52:19 AM)

Oh, I hope it is, too.
I had a guy I don't even know say he will kill himself if I don't accept him as a slave. I'm not even looking for a slave!
Last week at a club, I played with a newbie who said he wished I would cut off his balls and keep them for a trophy! <pardon me... gagging at the thought>
Does anybody actually believe we want to hear this sort of thing? I'm sure it feeds their fantasies, but pulleeezze!!! That's not an image I want to carry around with me. Okay, enough horror stories...

Beach, I think you said it best, and thanks for your take on it.

~ Bette



RiotGirl -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 11:40:02 AM)

Access denied. Not allowed to have personal information to throw in my face at a later time.



Sissyslave71 -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 11:56:48 AM)

quote:

Ok, I've come across this in chatting with some sub/slaves that have contacted us and I have to wonder how much of what they say is posturing and how much is real? Are they saying what they think we want to hear? Or are there really sub/slaves that are so extreme that they border on being scary? And keep in mind that we don't scare easily. But when someone starts asking us if we could own them and when we get tired of them we could just kill them and bury them in the back yard... well, to me that suicide by proxy and it scares me. That is among the list of grizzly things I've heard lately. So, help me out here, is it posturing? I really hope it is.



Me thinks these people can't stop thinking about their privates.

There are some sick masochists out there however....it wouldnt suprise me if they said the things you mentioned.

Personally, the most scary thing a dominant could do to me is TRULY know me...inside and out...how I tick,
how to push my buttons etc.

I wouldn't claim such extreme things unless I had something really serious going on longterm andd really knew
and loved the dominant I suppose.

Love can get extreme..thats for sure.



CitizenCane -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 1:27:05 PM)

Well, there was that guy in Germany who answered the ad to let someone kill and eat him... but I think that's pretty rare. Mostly I agree with BeachMystress- they're just wankers. It's pure fantasy stuff- but it probably reflects some significant lack of mental health, too. If you're looking for something real, these people can waste a lot of your time, if you let them. At least the 'bury me in the backyard' crowd are easy to spot- some time-wasters are a lot more subtle.


Citizen Cane



LadyShoshin -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 1:57:34 PM)

BeachMystress has it pegged, they are wankers who want you to be horrified and willing to keep the emails going as you try to talk sense to them and they get wilder while typing with one hand. Just tell them you have no wish to be featured on some reality crime show and end the communication there, block them.

When my roomie talks about some extreme edge play, I know he means it because I know him. I look in the community for some experts in the edge play he wants and refer him to them.

But some yayhoo emailing me out of nowhere wanting no limits play gets a thanks but no thanks and no more communication.



ShiftedJewel -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 2:29:57 PM)

quote:

BeachMystress has it pegged, they are wankers who want you to be horrified and willing to keep the emails going as you try to talk sense to them and they get wilder while typing with one hand.


OMG, you are so right! I never thought of it that way. Looking back over some of the conversations they did get more and more extreme... Unfortunately for them, I'm not the warm, nurturing type in situations like that and didn't even consider trying to talk them out of it. Maybe that's why the convo's grew more and more rare? Hmmm, interesting.

Thank you all for shedding light on this for me.

Jewel



mantis65 -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 3:19:47 PM)



A lot of people have dark extreme fantasies but anyone telling you they want to live out something this macabre or extreme in real life is just collecting beat off material I think.
Block them

quote:

when someone starts asking us if we could own them and when we get tired of them we could just kill them and bury them in the back yard... well, to me that suicide by proxy and it scares me. That is among the list of grizzly things I've heard lately




quote:

The worst I was asked was to infest a subs penis with insect larvae, which would hatch and devour the sub's penis.


ok thats pretty nasty will use it in horror comic if you dont mind.

mantis




nella -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 5:57:35 PM)

BeachMystress, this is a bit of topic, but are there such bugs? That can hatch inside your penis and eat it???



Guest -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 6:47:22 PM)

I'm not aware of any insect larvae that will devour a penis specifically, though it's not beyond the realm of possibility. However I am aware of a small South American parasitic catfish about an inch long usually found in the gills of other fish, but that is also known to follow a urine stream and swim into the urethra of a human or large mammal and then locks it's spines into place, causing hemmoraging and possibly even death. It's known as the Candiru, or Vampire fish, and it's no urban legend as bizarre as it may sound. So next time you go skinny dipping, especially in the Amazon basin, you may want to get out to pee....

As for those "extreme players" who want some outrageous macabre 'punishments', I'd agree with Beach and others in saying that the vast majority are probably wankers looking for masterbatory ammo.

and on that note i'm moving this to The Lounge. :)

Mod5



proudsub -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/12/2005 8:41:25 PM)

quote:

However I am aware of a small South American parasitic catfish about an inch long usually found in the gills of other fish, but that is also known to follow a urine stream and swim into the urethra of a human or large mammal and then locks it's spines into place, causing hemmoraging and possibly even death. It's known as the Candiru, or Vampire fish, and it's no urban legend as bizarre as it may sound. So next time you go skinny dipping, especially in the Amazon basin, you may want to get out to pee....


I remember we had a discussion of this once before, here's the link, scroll down to post #14 if you are interested:

candiru



onceburned -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/13/2005 1:01:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: nella
are there such bugs? That can hatch inside your penis and eat it???


Theoretically it could happen. But I think under normal circumstances infestation is very rare - even in the tropics - and easily treated. A case report of the infestation of a Brazilian man's penis was reported last year in a the journal "Sexually Transmitted Infections":

quote:

We report a case of penile myiasis in a Brazilian man caused
by the larva of Dermatobia hominis. Myiasis is a parasitic
disease of humans and other vertebrates caused by larvae of
several fly species. Although urinary myiasis is well
recognised, infestation of the genital tissue is a rare
occurrence. Once the diagnosis has been made, the
treatment is usually straightforward and uncomplicated.
http://www.uff.br/dst/myiasispaper.pdf

In addition to the human botfly, larva of the screw-worm fly can also infest humans and devour living tissue
quote:

Infestations can occur in any open wound, including cuts, castration wounds, navels of newborn animals, and tick bites. The wounds often contain a dark, foul-smelling discharge.

Screwworm larvae distinguish themselves from other species by feeding only on the living flesh, never dead tissue. Once a wound is infested, the screwworm can eventually kill the animal or human, literally eating it alive.
http://usembassy.or.cr/screwwrm.html

Of course treatment of these infestations is fairly easy, given access to medical care. So a guy would have to really, really want his penis to be slowly devoured. I imagine it would not be comfortable.



BeachMystress -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/13/2005 1:49:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: nella

BeachMystress, this is a bit of topic, but are there such bugs? That can hatch inside your penis and eat it???


Unfortunatly there is.. bot flies. The species of bot flies that eat us specifically is called torsalo. You're welcome to go look them up in google, since I'm not going to give anyone the wiggins by talking about them more.. Ugh.



ScooterTrash -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/13/2005 4:06:12 AM)

Anyway (still shuddering at the thought of the insect thing), the interesting thing about this "wanker" (so aptly tagged at this point) ShiftedJewel spoke of, is that it's a she. And yes the discussions seemed to just escalate toward the more and more bizaar. Also I saw where someone asked, well of course this was one with NO limits. Got to love those NO LIMIT specials, I just wonder if when they say that they actually realize what that would mean. I don't think we will be pursuing this one..ya think? (now where did I leave that bug spray)



mantis65 -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/13/2005 12:04:46 PM)

The human Bot fly was used as a harbinger of evil in the new exorcist movie ( its a chessy movie).
I guess in some parts of the world the human Bot fly it has becomes a big menace again.



indydomme -> RE: Is it posturing? (3/17/2005 1:13:26 PM)

Just wanting to throw my own two cents in there... Oh I've heard some freaking weird things. Guys I've never met telling me they would do the most rediculous things, things I wouldn't ask if I was on the brink of insanity. "Well, if you no longer have use for me, you can just kill me and take my life insurance." P-S-Y-C-H-O. I run like the wind and never look back. If they are serious, I they don't need to be around me and my child. If they aren't serious, they are sickos and still don't need to be around me and my child. That's all I have to say about that. :)

Thanks.
Miss Erin



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