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valeca -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 7:41:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Quivver quote: ORIGINAL: KurtKaboom The whole subject of the thread is keeping it consensual. Consensual but no safe word, yet given the opportunity to escape. and if she freaks before that opportunity presents itself, then what? This is exactly what I was wondering. She has to wait until an opportunity presents itself? As far as I know, that's involuntary confinment (at best) and whether or not she agreed to it beforehand becomes a moot point. Then again, he appears pretty nonchalant about a jail sentence...which points in the general direction of two things--sociopathic tendancies or lookin' to thicken up the old wank material logs. I'd vote for the latter.

cjenny -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 7:44:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorelei115 Giving the benefit of the doubt. [:)] I'm often told its a flaw of mine. LOL I was doing that until the snarky 'be quiet' comment lol. [8D]

Lorelei115 -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 7:45:10 PM)
Yeah, should have read the rest of the thread first. Also a flaw of mine. slaps self on wrist

BobtheSubBuilder -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 7:52:08 PM)
Think i figured out what i dont like about this 1) These slaves are coming at the behest of there masters to 'complete training before collaring' now if this is the case these girls are under the impression the HAVE to do this for their masters in order to 'pass'. Yet they do not have full disclosure of what is to happen or indeed for how long - in this instance, in a position of 'pressure to perform' and ignorance how can it be truely consensual? 2) In my earlier post i implied that the girls might think that they would endure it out of love. Ive been thinking about this. What Master in a loving D/s relationship would seriously subject his unwitting slave to this kind of sustained abuse? To my mind this has everything to do with utterly breaking a slaves will to resist or even live! and nothing to do with the true spirit of D/s relations. What kind of broken hollow puppets are you churning out? Ive not been in this scene very long but i know enough to know this is just sick. This whole subject just pushes my big red button - and thats not a thing anybody wants - trust me. You and your neighbours and anyone who uses your 'services' should be set upon by by men whose sense of justice would deafen them to your screams - untill there was only silence. sometimes being remote works against you....... My applogies everyone there is a part of me i supress and let out only when in a scene - but truly threaten a woman and its hard to keep it down - at times im glad this is just a forum.

KurtKaboom -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 7:53:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lorelei115 OK serious question- Is she going to know that escape opportunities will be presented to her? Is she going to know what to do after she escapes? You can't really predict what she's going to do after being freaked out so thoroughly- she may start running and not stop by your friendly neighbor's house. As others have said, she may not stop running till she hits the police station. I won't lie, it sounds like an interesting scenario, but it sounds like one that may have too many wild cards and variables in it to make it work properly. No. she won't know about any of the safety measures. The chances to escape will happen randomly to her eyes. she won't be very rational after 72 hours anyway. I wouldn't count on her going to the house someone will just happen to be passing by. A real escape is the worst case since she wouldn't get the right kind of closure to the psychodrama but its a long way to the nearest paved road.

catize -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 7:57:22 PM)
quote: I intend to take this one all the way down to putty before she is reborn. One can only hope that she morphs into a homicidal maniac bent on revenge.

KurtKaboom -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 8:00:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BobtheSubBuilder Think i figured out what i dont like about this 1) These slaves are coming at the behest of there masters to 'complete training before collaring' now if this is the case these girls are under the impression the HAVE to do this for their masters in order to 'pass'. Yet they do not have full disclosure of what is to happen or indeed for how long - in this instance, in a position of 'pressure to perform' and ignorance how can it be truely consensual? 2) In my earlier post i implied that the girls might think that they would endure it out of love. Ive been thinking about this. What Master in a loving D/s relationship would seriously subject his unwitting slave to this kind of sustained abuse? To my mind this has everything to do with utterly breaking a slaves will to resist or even live! and nothing to do with the true spirit of D/s relations. What kind of broken hollow puppets are you churning out? Ive not been in this scene very long but i know enough to know this is just sick. This whole subject just pushes my big red button - and thats not a thing anybody wants - trust me. You and your neighbours and anyone who uses your 'services' should be set upon by by men whose sense of justice would deafen them to your screams - untill there was only silence. sometimes being remote works against you....... My applogies everyone there is a part of me i supress and let out only when in a scene - but truly threaten a woman and its hard to keep it down - at times im glad this is just a forum. The previous scenes have been with already collared slaves sent for punishment. This will be my first use of the techniches for transition. she will be broken emotionally and rebuilt from there as I wish her to be. Don't you mean the twue spirit? This is M/s not D/s you know. The real shit.

cjenny -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 8:00:39 PM)
FR hahaha

stef -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 8:07:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KurtKaboom The previous scenes have been with already collared slaves sent for punishment. This will be my first use of the techniches for transition. she will be broken emotionally and rebuilt from there as I wish her to be. I hope you get all that breaking done before your alarm clock goes off. It would be a bummer to have that dream interrupted before your, I mean the, climax. ~stef

KurtKaboom -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 8:07:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catize quote: I intend to take this one all the way down to putty before she is reborn. One can only hope that she morphs into a homicidal maniac bent on revenge. Thats a risk. I'm aquianted with my mortality. It has been discussed.

BobtheSubBuilder -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 8:08:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KurtKaboom quote: ORIGINAL: BobtheSubBuilder Think i figured out what i dont like about this 1) These slaves are coming at the behest of there masters to 'complete training before collaring' now if this is the case these girls are under the impression the HAVE to do this for their masters in order to 'pass'. Yet they do not have full disclosure of what is to happen or indeed for how long - in this instance, in a position of 'pressure to perform' and ignorance how can it be truely consensual? 2) In my earlier post i implied that the girls might think that they would endure it out of love. Ive been thinking about this. What Master in a loving D/s relationship would seriously subject his unwitting slave to this kind of sustained abuse? To my mind this has everything to do with utterly breaking a slaves will to resist or even live! and nothing to do with the true spirit of D/s relations. What kind of broken hollow puppets are you churning out? Ive not been in this scene very long but i know enough to know this is just sick. This whole subject just pushes my big red button - and thats not a thing anybody wants - trust me. You and your neighbours and anyone who uses your 'services' should be set upon by by men whose sense of justice would deafen them to your screams - untill there was only silence. sometimes being remote works against you....... My applogies everyone there is a part of me i supress and let out only when in a scene - but truly threaten a woman and its hard to keep it down - at times im glad this is just a forum. The previous scenes have been with already collared slaves sent for punishment. This will be my first use of the techniches for transition. she will be broken emotionally and rebuilt from there as I wish her to be. Don't you mean the twue spirit? This is M/s not D/s you know. The real shit. <grins> you are aware thats its spelt alternAtive arent you? Im up typing at 4 am whats your excuse? and frankly this isnt M/s to me its just abuse and torture.

KurtKaboom -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 8:34:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: KurtKaboom The previous scenes have been with already collared slaves sent for punishment. This will be my first use of the techniches for transition. she will be broken emotionally and rebuilt from there as I wish her to be. I hope you get all that breaking done before your alarm clock goes off. It would be a bummer to have that dream interrupted before your, I mean the, climax. ~stef If it makes it easier for you to sleep keep believing that people like me and mine way out in the country don't exist then keep believing. Your sig line makes me smile every time I see it though

FukinTroll -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/13/2007 8:44:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy Thou shalt be eaten by Fenrir for thou blasphemy! Now that my computer is almost cooperating.... I shall free the beast and ride it to Ragnarok myself!

twicehappy -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/14/2007 5:04:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BobtheSubBuilder What Master in a loving D/s relationship would seriously subject his unwitting slave to this kind of sustained abuse? To my mind this has everything to do with utterly breaking a slaves will to resist or even live! and nothing to do with the true spirit of D/s relations. What kind of broken hollow puppets are you churning out? It is called Stockholm syndrome; The Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in an abducted hostage, in which the hostage exhibits loyalty to the hostage-taker, in spite of the danger (or at least risk) in which the hostage has been placed. Stockholm syndrome is also sometimes discussed in reference to other situations with similar tensions, such as battered person syndrome, rape cases, child abuse cases and *bride kidnapping*.

BobtheSubBuilder -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/14/2007 11:54:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy quote: ORIGINAL: BobtheSubBuilder What Master in a loving D/s relationship would seriously subject his unwitting slave to this kind of sustained abuse? To my mind this has everything to do with utterly breaking a slaves will to resist or even live! and nothing to do with the true spirit of D/s relations. What kind of broken hollow puppets are you churning out? It is called Stockholm syndrome; The Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in an abducted hostage, in which the hostage exhibits loyalty to the hostage-taker, in spite of the danger (or at least risk) in which the hostage has been placed. Stockholm syndrome is also sometimes discussed in reference to other situations with similar tensions, such as battered person syndrome, rape cases, child abuse cases and *bride kidnapping*. <kisses TH on the hand> thank you lady, but im not half as daft as i look. My point was what would be the point of doing that to someone? why would you want a slave to traumatised to move or think or do anything? Or is the point its some kind of twisted 'love'? What kind of lowlife has to get a slaves devotion and unquestioned obedience this way? One not capable of insipring it any other way would seem to be the obvious answer.

twicehappy -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/14/2007 2:18:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BobtheSubBuilder <kisses TH on the hand> thank you lady, but im not half as daft as i look. What kind of lowlife has to get a slaves devotion and unquestioned obedience this way? One not capable of insipring it any other way would seem to be the obvious answer. Thank you kind Sir, i personally love the new nic and avatar. Hmmmm....to put it dicreetly, hell yes, you are right!

WyrdRich -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/14/2007 3:26:45 PM)
Ok, Kurt, my wife is currently very jazzed about our next weekend getaway, that'll get you a thoughtful reply. What I keep thinking of is the end of "Midnight Express." (Spoiler warning to anybody who hasn't seen it.) We have a broken man, nearly catatonic from the horrors of a Turkish prison and the drugs on the psych ward. His girlfriend visits him in that state and gives him the means (money) to make an escape and the motivation (boobies!!!) to do so. He understands that if he fails, he will die. The big, fat chief guard gets in the way of that and winds up with a coathook in the back of his head. If you are going to turn your back so she can get away, I'd make damn sure there is nothing in the room she could use as a weapon. If you are going to make an escape her safeword, I see two things you have to do. First; A safeword the sub is afraid to use is worse than useless. You don't get to make ANY threats about what will happen if she tries to get away. ZERO! God only knows what will be going on that girls head. What you're talking about, creating an emotional and psychological breakdown, really isn't that hard with the right conditions. You said it, she won't be rational. If she is coerced against escape in any way, your 'safeword' just becomes a way for you to rationalize something that has become non-consensual. Second; Escape cannot be an act of blind desperation. I assume she will know how remote the location is. Does she have to reach the point of leaping blindly and naked from the frying pan into an unknown fire before you'll call it off? She needs to know that safety is nearby for it to be a real choice. Set it up in her mind that the neighbors would help her. You seem like a smart guy, dream something up. Fun question. Keep it up.

BobtheSubBuilder -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/14/2007 5:45:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy quote: ORIGINAL: BobtheSubBuilder <kisses TH on the hand> thank you lady, but im not half as daft as i look. What kind of lowlife has to get a slaves devotion and unquestioned obedience this way? One not capable of insipring it any other way would seem to be the obvious answer. Thank you kind Sir, i personally love the new nic and avatar. Hmmmm....to put it dicreetly, hell yes, you are right! Ive never been so popular lol - shame its only with the taken subs/slaves and the dommes lol

Vendaval -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/14/2007 9:50:51 PM)
Lorelei, please don't slap yourself. There are plenty of people here who will be happy to slap you around. But seriously folks, just take a look-see at the OP's profile. Over and out.... quote: ORIGINAL: Lorelei115 Yeah, should have read the rest of the thread first. Also a flaw of mine. slaps self on wrist

FukinTroll -> RE: The escape alternitive (2/14/2007 9:53:50 PM)
Hey Bob eventually it will sink in to the untethered slaves that the kept ones must be on to something.

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