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Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 6:34:19 AM   
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OK... lets begin at the start.


BDSM - Acronym Bondage/Discipline/Domination & submission/Sadism & Masochism

Bondage - noun
The state of one who is bound as a slave or serf.
A state of subjection to a force, power, or influence.
The practice of being physically restrained, as with cords or handcuffs, as a means of attaining sexual gratification.
Slavery.
Villeinage.

Discipline - noun
Training expected to produce a specific character or pattern of behavior, especially training that produces moral or mental improvement.
Controlled behavior resulting from disciplinary training; self-control.
Control obtained by enforcing compliance or order.
A systematic method to obtain obedience: a military discipline.
A state of order based on submission to rules and authority
Punishment intended to correct or train.
A set of rules or methods, as those regulating the practice of a church or monastic order.
A branch of knowledge or teaching.
Making people obey rules.

Domination - noun
Control or power over another or others.
The exercise of such control or power.
Controlling Power.

Submission - noun
Yielding, or readiness to yield
(I love that one...lol)

The act of submitting to the power of another: “Oppression that cannot be overcome does not give rise to revolt but to submission” (Simone Weil).
The state of having submitted. See Synonyms at surrender.
The state of being submissive or compliant; meekness.

The act of submitting something for consideration.
Something so submitted

Sadism - noun
The deriving of sexual gratification or the tendency to derive sexual gratification from inflicting pain or emotional abuse on others.
The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from cruelty.
Extreme cruelty.
Hurting others for sexual Pleasure.

Masocism - noun
A sexual order in which a person obtains gratification by receiving physical pain or abuse.
The deriving of sexual gratification, or the tendency to derive sexual gratification, from being physically or emotionally abused.
The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.
A willingness or tendency to subject oneself to unpleasant or trying experiences.

OK... now...

Transgendered - Adjective
Appearing as, wishing to be considered as, or having undergone surgery to become a member the opposite sex.
Of or relating to a transgendered person or transgendered people.

Transexual - noun
A person who has undergone a sex change operation.
A person whose sexual identification is entirely with the opposite sex

Transvestite - noun
A person who dresses and acts in a style or manner traditionally associated with the opposite sex.

Poly
More than One.

Gay - noun
A man whose sexual orientation is to men.

Lesbian - noun
A woman whose sexual orientation is to women.

Bisexual - adjective
Sexually attracted to both sexes
Having an ambiguous sexual identity

Dominant - adjective
Exercising the most influence or control.
Most prominent, as in position; ascendant

Submissive - adjective
Characterized by tendencies to yield to the will or authority of others.

Switch - noun
To make or undergo a shift or an exchange.
To exhange or swap.

Slave - noun
One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence.
One who works extremely hard.
A machine or component controlled by another machine or component.
A person who is owned by someone.
Someone entirely dominated by some influence or person.

Did that help?
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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 7:18:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dark~angel
BDSM - Acronym Bondage/Discipline/Domination & submission/Sadism & Masochism

I don't include "domination and submission" in bdsm.
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Domination - noun
Control or power over another or others.
The exercise of such control or power.
Controlling Power.

This isn't necessarily the same as domination in the Ds sense. After all, I have control and power over myself and other people, and I exercise such power. I'm EXPECTED to exercise it with high competence.

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Poly
More than One.

Hmm it's more than that. Swinging is also more than one. Poly tends to be an intimate relationship situation.
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Gay - noun
A man whose sexual orientation is to men.

Gay can also be gender nuetral.

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Bisexual - adjective
Sexually attracted to both sexes
Having an ambiguous sexual identity

Can you explain the amgibuous sexual identity part?
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Dominant - adjective
Exercising the most influence or control.
Most prominent, as in position; ascendant

Which is not necessarily a dominant in a Ds relationship. I can exercise the most influence or control and be the most prominent person in a LOT of situations. Just not in my relationship with the Owner.

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Submissive - adjective
Characterized by tendencies to yield to the will or authority of others.

Most submissives in the scene do NOT yield easily, or to "others." Multiple authority is a rarity in the scene.
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Switch - noun
To make or undergo a shift or an exchange.
To exhange or swap.

LOL which is nothing like a switch in the Ds sense.


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Did that help?

No, but it gave a fresh start to things.

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 7:59:40 AM   
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No, but it gave a fresh start to things.


yup... *chukling...

One should remember always though, that One persons thoughts upon the above, are not universal...
Look beyond the words...


*edited for exactness...

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 8:20:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: dark~angel
BDSM - Acronym Bondage/Discipline/Domination & submission/Sadism & Masochism

I don't include "domination and submission" in bdsm.


Why not? That is a rather atypical understanding of BDSM, and quite against how most of us use the term. Do you have a reason for excluding it? Do you regularly explain that when you say BDSM, you only mean B&D and S&M???

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 8:31:45 AM   
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BDSM - Acronym Bondage/Discipline/Domination & submission/Sadism & Masochism


Does anyone know when and where this acronym started?

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 8:40:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

Why not? That is a rather atypical understanding of BDSM, and quite against how most of us use the term. Do you have a reason for excluding it? Do you regularly explain that when you say BDSM, you only mean B&D and S&M???

Taggard


Actually I'd disagree on your thinking of how "most people" use the term and being atypical. Now, I understand when someone uses bdsm that they often include it and it's no problem communicating.

When it's relevant to the discussion I will specifically note how I am using the terms, otherwise it's just a time waster to explain all the connotations.

I don't include it because I know too many people who do just the kink/bdsm without a Ds relationship and too many people who do the Ds relationship without any kink/bdsm. For me it helps clarify and prioritize. It's similar to suggesting the mountain climbing and marriage is the same. One is fun/challenging stuff you do with people, one is the relationship you have.

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 8:49:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2
It's similar to suggesting the mountain climbing and marriage is the same. One is fun/challenging stuff you do with people, one is the relationship you have.


Wow...that is a great, and quite new (to me at least) way of looking at it. In my 9 years of doing this both online and off, I have never met anyone who, nor seen any online definition of the term that, has not included D/s in BDSM.

I guess I don't really think of D/s as strictly a definition of a relationship. There is a lot of "fun/challenging stuff" that I think of as purely D/s. Contracts, ownership symbols (collars, brands, cuffs, etc.), positions, rituals...I see these along the same lines as I do rope bondage and single tail play.

For me, the D/s aspect of BDSM is the one in which I am most interested. (Though I do enjoy wax play, though I am not sure where that falls.) And I use D/s play in my scenes, much the way others use B&D and S&M.

I think you are right that there are many who use only the relationship aspects of D/s...though I would guess that those are not active in any real life leather scene. I think, however, that there are those who think of D/s in the same light as B&D and S&M...

Thank you for clarifying your thoughts!!!

Taggard

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 9:59:20 AM   
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BDSM -
Sometimes BD/SM. Bondage and Discipline, Domination and Submission, Sadism and Masochism. Catch-all term much used in to lump together those perves who play with physical pain and those who don't, reflecting a concern that the term SM, with its associations with pain, is not always appropriate.

Bondage
Restriction of a person's bodily movement for erotic reasons using fastenings of various kinds. Also sometimes used loosely as a code for a wider range of SM practises, reflecting the fact that bondage interests are widespread and popular among SMers (though certainly not universal).

Discipline
Like many SM terms, used rather loosely, but usually refers to the imposition of rules of behaviour on the bottom in domination scenes and the 'punishments' used to enforce them. A distinction is often made between intense and painful activities that are carried out so the bottom gets direct enjoyment from them and those carried out as a 'punishment' for infraction where in certain kinds of ongoing relationships the bottom does not determine the limits of the activity. A bottom seeking 'discipline' would normally expect their behaviour to be carefully controlled and that there will be regular opportunities for some form of physical punishment, even if mild, for infractions. When used with 'bondage' in bondage and discipline, as distinct from SM, there is a definite implication that little or no real pain is involved.


Domination
The practise of taking the dominant role in a scene, running the scene, controlling the bottom's behaviour, perhaps simply as role play or humiliation or perhaps reinforced by the threat or the actual use of intense or painful physical activities directed at the bottom, and/or by restriction, bondage and physical control.

Submission
The complimentary term for the bottom is submission, and someone bottoming to a dominant is called a submissive or sub. 'Submissive' is also an adjective, but the term subby is sometimes heard.
The act of or interest in submitting to a someone else's will.

Sadism
Today as it is normally used, the term 'sadomasochism' usually suggests mutual consensual activity for the purposes of sexual arousal which involves some sort of pain, restraint or domination. However, it covers a wide field with very flexible borders, encompassing all kinds of things that aren't considered normal or conventioanl sex: indeed, you sometimes think some people use it to cover everything a little unconventional that they personally find a turn-on.

Some people, however, do attempt to maintain the distinction between interests in pain and in other activities like dom-sub, clothing fetishes, bondage for its own sake and so on, and reserve the term sadomasochism for pain games. Despite Krafft-Ebing's original distinction, today most people on the BDSM scene who describe themselves as 'sadists' intend to emphasise the enjoyment they obtain from inflicting pain, and those who describe themselves as 'masochists' to emphasise the enjoyment they obtain from enduring it, within certain limits. This narrower reading of 'sadomasochism' is reflected in the use of more 'all-encompassing' terms such as 'BDSM', 'perve' and even euphemisms like 'leather'.


Masocism
In contemporary BDSM circles, the propensity to enjoy undergoing experiences normally thought of as painful, and one who enjoys such experiences, but the terms have a more complex past.

Dominant
Either a person who practises or seeks to practise domination or an adjective for a dominant person.

Submissive
One who submits.

Switch
Someone who switches between Top and Bottom roles.

Slave
Once used more generally for an SM bottom, this is now becoming limited to submissive in a long-term dominant- submissive relationship.

Transgendered
Transexual
Transvestite


I find it interesting that None of the above are listed in any mainline Dictionaires Of Kink or BDSM. I would be grateful and interested in hearing how y'all out there who relate to the above words in any way(be it good or bad) feel about such?


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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 3:42:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willing2serve

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BDSM - Acronym Bondage/Discipline/Domination & submission/Sadism & Masochism


Does anyone know when and where this acronym started?


I first saw it on usenet's alt.sex.bondage in the early 1990's. I've always been under the assumption that it was coined there, and I'd had the impression it was coined by Rob Jellinghaus - but I cannot state either as fact.

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ORIGINAL: dark~angel
Transgendered
Transexual
Transvestite


I find it interesting that None of the above are listed in any mainline Dictionaires Of Kink or BDSM. I would be grateful and interested in hearing how y'all out there who relate to the above words in any way(be it good or bad) feel about such?

I've seen, and used, BDSMnopq as shorthand for "BDSM plus any other kinks that work with BDSM". As policy, TIES (and most pansexual BDSM-oriented groups I know) accept TG/TS/TVs as a matter of course. Not my kink, but certainly an okay kink.

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 5:08:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

OK... lets begin at the start.


BDSM - Acronym Bondage/Discipline/Domination & submission/Sadism & Masochism





And to me, BDSM is Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, Masochism. I didn't start hearing it the way you describe until about 5 years ago. I feel that if the acronym was meant to be interpreted the way you describe it, S/m would have been just S. The B would stand for Bondage/Discipline, the D would stand for Domination/submission and the last letter would be S for Sadism/masochism. In that case, the acronym would have been BDS. I think, that like every thing else in BDSM lately, people are changing the definitions to suit themselves. Since it matches what people feel it should, the change becomes widely accepted.

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 5:20:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MidnightWriter

I first saw it on usenet's alt.sex.bondage in the early 1990's. I've always been under the assumption that it was coined there, and I'd had the impression it was coined by Rob Jellinghaus - but I cannot state either as fact.


No it was not. The first time I heard the acronym was before I hit puberty. (which was in 1979) I had no idea what it meant, and remember asking my parents about it because of the reaction I got. They didn't tell me what it meant, but I was grilled about where I'd heard that term. I don't even remember now where I'd heard it.. Kinda like you remember some of the spankings you got as a kid, but can't remember why.

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 6:08:20 PM   
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Transgendered
Transexual
Transvestite

I find it interesting that None of the above are listed in any mainline Dictionaires Of Kink or BDSM. I would be grateful and interested in hearing how y'all out there who relate to the above words in any way(be it good or bad) feel about such?



Well that is because it is more a gender issue then a bdsm issue. But since some people might like definitions... <weg> I'm always up to sharing knowledge.

Some Transgender Definitions

There is still a lack of standardization of the language used to talk about issues of transgenderism, with advocates of one word or another often heatedly sparring in print over which is a more "correct" word or meaning. The discussions are almost always informed by personal logic and preference. This list includes words and phrases as I use (or not use) them in my presentations. Your future clients may or may not be familiar with these terms or may use them with a somewhat different meaning.

Benjamin Standards
A set of standards established by committee to guide therapists and surgeons in the process of male-to-female sexual reassignment. The standards are named after Dr. Harry Benjamin, who worked with Christine Jorgensen, the first American to receive sexual reassignment surgery. The standards are often modified or not applied to female-to-male transsexuals. The standards set minimum therapeutic and hormonal pre-requisites to surgery and are currently (1997) under revision. Copies of the current standards are available from Ingersoll Gender Center and can be found on the Internet.

Cross living
Living, working, playing full-time in the gender one feels oneself to be, in opposition to gender assigned at birth; often refers to the transition time prior to surgery.

Gender dysphoria
Clinical literature on transsexualism once spoke of transsexuals having "gender confusion." The term now used is "gender dysphoria," a fancy way of saying "extreme discomfort." Transsexuals, once given an understanding and a vocabulary for who they are, are confused mostly by society's reluctance to give them validity. The best science we currently have indicates that biological gender dysphoria is caused by hormonal fluctuations at a crucial time in fetal development.

Gender and Sexuality
For lack of its being an issue, people generally ignore the distinctions between gender and sexuality. Gender is about what kind of body one has, and gender identity is about whether one's core identity corresponds to the body or not. Sex roles are about what cultural role one plays in life--as a male or a female or somewhere in between. Sexual orientation is about whom one is sexually attracted to or has sex with--as a gay/lesbian, bisexual, or heterosexual. Non-heterosexual orientation was removed from the DSM (Diagnostic Standards Manual) as mental illness in 1973.

Sexual Reassignment Surgery (Sex Change)
The term used for the set of surgeries to alter the gender of an individual. For male-to-female transsexuals, it usually involves amputation of testicles and most of the penis, inversion of the penis skin into a vagina, and optional breast implants, tracheal shaves, and labiaplasty. For female-to-male transsexuals, it involves mastectomy, hysterectomy, and optional attempts at creating a penis and scrotum. Preparatory and follow-up hormonal treatment is almost always given, and M to Fs often undergo long, expensive, painful electrolysis.

Transgenderal
A term used by therapists and generally a sign of someone who has been through an academic professional program. Seldom used by anyone else.

Transgenderism
A much debated term. It can be an umbrella term to refer to all forms of thinking and behavior across gender lines. Transgendered is also a catch phrase for people who don't quite fall into transvestite or transsexual categories.

Transsexual
A person who wishes and seriously acts upon the sense of having the wrong gender body, often-- though not always--culminating in sexual reassignment surgery. Pre-operative transsexuals include those not yet undergoing surgery; post-operative transsexuals are those who have received surgery; non-operative transsexuals are those who, for whatever reason, cannot or choose not to have surgery. NOTE ON PRONOUNS: All transsexuals are referred to by the pronouns of the gender they see themselves as being, whether they are pre-operative, non-operative, or post-operative. If in doubt, ask the individual.

Transvestitism/Crossdressing
Since our current society sees little or nothing wrong with women dressing as men and even insists on its fashionability at times, transvestism is generally not a issue for women in much of the world. Male transvestites differ from transsexuals in that they desire to dress and occasionally act as women, but do not consider themselves women or even want to be. Transvestites never seek sexual reassignment surgery, and most are heterosexual, often married. Clinicians recognize transvestism as a tranquilizer against the rigors of manliness. The usual forms of transvestism were removed from the list of mental illnesses in 1995. Many societies, including our own, have ritualized transvestism in religious ceremonies or in secular party times, like Halloween or Mardi Gras. Support groups and private events exist in most major cities in the U.S. for men who want to dress as women but feel unsafe in doing so publicly. "Crossdresser" is often the preferred term of those who participate in this behavior.

Gender Bender
A term used to refer to anyone who acts outside the generally accepted norms of gender behavior, usually by the way she or he dresses, without care about "what people think."

Intersexed
The term preferred by people born with both female and male characteristics; the more commonly used term in history is hermaphrodite. Children born with obvious intersexed characteristics are often operated on as an infant to remove whichever characteristics the family or surgeon decides should disappear. This may or may not coincide with which gender the child considers him/herself to be.

Drag Queens
A term used to refer to gay men (usually) who dress in a feminine manner, often exaggeratedly so. If they do it on stage as well, they also are impersonators and the terms are sometimes interchangable. The female form of this is the drag king. Most commonly found in bars, parties, and parades, as well on television.

Female/Male Impersonators
Though once used as a term to refer to anyone wearing the opposite gender's clothing, it is now used to refer to those who do so for theatrical reasons. Off stage, they seldom even think of wearing such clothing. Bob Hope, Jack Lemmon, Dustin Hoffman, Julie Andrews and many other well-known actors and actresses have done impersonations. In countries/times when women were not allowed on stage, all female parts were played by men or boys.

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 6:09:57 PM   
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Transgendered
Transexual
Transvestite

I find it interesting that None of the above are listed in any mainline Dictionaires Of Kink or BDSM. I would be grateful and interested in hearing how y'all out there who relate to the above words in any way(be it good or bad) feel about such?

*souces- Deviants Dictionary,, BDSM Backroom,, Babel


Transvestite - I think this word has a slight negative connotation which is why many have switched to the word 'crossdresser'. Deviants Dictionary indicates that transvestites dress for the sexual thrill. Babel however says that transvestites go way beyond sex and that passing as the opposite sex is a major concern and even as a way of life. Babel says that crossdressers simply do it on occasion and are not concerned with passing. (I had been thinking that Babel accidentally reversed those two definitions but I will defer to greater authority if anyone wants to speak up)

Transgendered - the dictionaries don't touch this word and I won't either.

Transsexual - BDSM Backroom defines it as a person in the process of physically changing their sex. Babel agrees but instead of the word 'sex' they use the word 'gender' - which I think is a mistake. I have always heard that sex is what is between your legs, and gender is what is between your ears. But Babel does say that transsexual also includes persons who have completed transition between the sexes... and I am not sure how to feel about that.

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 6:15:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress
And to me, BDSM is Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, Masochism. I didn't start hearing it the way you describe until about 5 years ago.


My experience was pretty much the opposite. I first ran across the term well over a decade ago, and it was defined as dark~angel stated it. The minor play on words by having 3 pairs of terms represented in an overlapping fashion was kinda cute. I can probably pull up usenet references to the term used that way from the late 80's or early 90's, if the google archives go back that far (I miss dejanews!)

In the past 4 or 5 years, since d/s has become the "default" terminology, I've started to hear people take the d/s out of bdsm, but that's a new thing, in my experience.

Back in the days of yore (am I dating myself? ye ghads!) SM was the default terminology, or at least that's the terminology I heard. It was ALL referred to as SM, whether it was d/s or bondage, or what have you. Then along came BDSM, to encompass more variables (followed by wiitwd to be even more encompassing). People self-identified using primarily the top/bottom/switch labels and they were umbrella terms, not the way they're used to day to refer primarily to sadists and masochists.

Lately, people use the d/s terminology as the default - everyone is "dominant" or "submissive" even if what they do has little/nothing to do with dominance or submission. That's a new thing, in my experience, and the timing pretty much coincides with when I first started hearing people separate d/s out of BDSM.

I guess it's all a matter of where you were hearing things.



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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 6:16:43 PM   
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Bisexual - adjective
Sexually attracted to both sexes
Having an ambiguous sexual identity

Can you explain the amgibuous sexual identity part?

I always defined bisexual as being attracted to individuals rather than to a person of a particular gender or biological sex.

Also, Queer is missing...

A derogatory label reclaimed to designate all that fall under the umbrella of not straight, ie: all lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, and transgenders. Some however contest that the word designates only those in the community who are political activists.

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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/14/2005 6:58:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SherriA

In the past 4 or 5 years, since d/s has become the "default" terminology, I've started to hear people take the d/s out of bdsm, but that's a new thing, in my experience.

Lately, people use the d/s terminology as the default - everyone is "dominant" or "submissive" even if what they do has little/nothing to do with dominance or submission. That's a new thing, in my experience, and the timing pretty much coincides with when I first started hearing people separate d/s out of BDSM.

I guess it's all a matter of where you were hearing things.


Like Sherri, I have always understood the overlapping of the D/S portion of the acronym since 1989.
When I use the term D/s, it is to emphasize the Domination and submission, or the TPE, as opposed to the sexual kink aspects of the lifestyle.
But I do realize, much to My dismay, that many are now using D/s as a default, and so the widely held belief is that D/s is the whole ball of wax.
For Me it is not.

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 3/14/2005 6:59:23 PM >


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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/15/2005 1:43:00 AM   
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Thanks to everyone participating.

It's wonderful that you have all taken the time to talk about what your thoughts and definitions are, and helping to work out where these definitions may have come from.

I would be interested to know some other definitions on other subjects also?

Lady Angelika

I do agree that any of the ones I mentioned specifically thoughts upon are gender issues firstly. I wondered how they 'fitted' into wiitwd, from others personal perspectives. I would love to hear from someone who feel they 'fit' the listing.


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RE: Back to Basics? - 3/15/2005 4:22:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dark~angel

Thanks to everyone participating.
Lady Angelika

I do agree that any of the ones I mentioned specifically thoughts upon are gender issues firstly. I wondered how they 'fitted' into wiitwd, from others personal perspectives. I would love to hear from someone who feel they 'fit' the listing.



Good question... and this is just a personal hunch.

I think it fits in because queer, gender bending, and wiitwd are all considered to be subversive activities/lifestyles.

I also think that for me, it is less of a hassle to be bisexual in this realm then in the vanilla world because of the fact that people understand subversion.

- LA

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