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SirDiscipliner69 -> Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/17/2007 1:34:20 AM)
Does discipline make you more defiant? I have experienced the defiancy of submissives as I am spanking them. As the ritual of being forced to accept is the deliciousness to them...to the cherry topping of forcibly being taken...to see and feel the defiant nature...resistance to movement..to being told...the attitude is readily apparent and rich. After a while the spanking seems to have made it's presence known ans well as My intent. Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

KeirasSecret -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 6:44:48 AM)
quote: Does discipline make you more defiant? No, it makes me very humble. quote: As the ritual of being forced to accept is the deliciousness to them How do you mean forced to accept? quote: to the cherry topping of forcibly being taken This is not something that Sir would do as a means of discipline. It sounds similar to the wrestling match he has planed; it’s more for play/lesson; though I haven’t figured out what the lesson is. I have only been spanked for discipline once; biting too hard. Each stroke was delayed long enough for me to count, and thank him for the last. I knew better then to move. Be well,

michaels4evr -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 6:48:53 AM)
Sometimes..but generally only when we are being sexual and during that time it is acceptable. I get extremely aroused by erotic combat and Master does not mind me putting up a fight. He always wins.

sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 6:54:25 AM)
I am one of those that craves discipline so the more Master puts on me the more I love it. Being defiant would go against what I am. Being fiesty and squirming I do but it isn't being defiant. Being defiant to me would be rebelling against discipline which I defiantly don't do.

SusanofO -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 6:56:46 AM)
It would depend on the type of discipline, but - in general, no. If anything, it makes me more compliant - especially, it seems, if it's spanking. Of course I imagine Dominants are different in terms of the length and harshness of their spankings, too, so I suppose that is also a variable to consider. - Susan

juliaoceania -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 7:01:44 AM)
quote: Does discipline make you more defiant? When he first corrects my behavior I feel defiant sometimes because I have always stood up on my own two feet for myself. It takes me a moment to remember I do not have to do that with him sometimes. I have been doing that for my entire adult life and even before I was an adult. He has to remind me I need not be defensive because he desires me to change my behavior. I have this happen less and less as time goes on. will say that just because I feel defiant does not mean I act upon it. All feelings are ok, it is what we do with them that matters. Edited to add I was posting about other types of discipline besides sexual. I do not know that we have played much with sexual discipline because spanking to me is foreplay. I do not feel humbled by it or disciplined by it so far

SusanofO -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 7:06:30 AM)
Well in terms of an emotiomal reaction, I guess I also do what juliaoceania just mentioned. I may feel defensive, and will sometimes (usually) say something to defend my behavior. But that has never (or rarely anyway) meant I won't be disciplined - I have been anyway, so it hasn't usually mattered. Yes, it does matter to me if a Dominant is critcal when disciplining me - I mean, if it's punishment, it's punishment. To me, discipline is for different reasons than punishment. If a Dominant is going to be very critical of me, he may as well just punish me instead, I think, and get that over with for us both. He can correct me without resorting to harsh verbal statements or out-right ridicule, I think. Unless he is punishing me, for some reason (and even then, I see this as counter-productive, most of the time). Of course, he's in charge - I am just saying what I think works for me. - Susan - Susan

Devilslilsister -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 8:14:07 AM)
In terms of being spanked. Yes, my intial reaction is always defiance. Otherwise, i've no problem seeing the error of my ways. Show me where i've messed up, how i've messed up and i'll do my best to correct it.

VeryMercurial -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 8:22:28 AM)
Well Sir, I can't speak for the submissives, but I spank for pleasure normally. When I discipline it is not spanking, and it is not so pleasant.

BitaTruble -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 8:46:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69 Does discipline make you more defiant? I have experienced the defiancy of submissives as I am spanking them. As the ritual of being forced to accept is the deliciousness to them...to the cherry topping of forcibly being taken...to see and feel the defiant nature...resistance to movement..to being told...the attitude is readily apparent and rich. After a while the spanking seems to have made it's presence known ans well as My intent. Ross ©º°¨¨°º© Do you mean something along the lines of .. "No! OW, OW! That's hurts! Stop, stop, stop, stop, PLEASE! You're killing me!! OWWWWWWWWWW! You bastard!" (That never works to stop anything in this house) but sure, I'm very vocal and that's part of the 'fun'. I have to admit, this does make me chuckle because I just can't see a spanking as causing that reaction. My butt is made of kevlar. If you are talking about defiance as a method of power control, then no, that's something else that doesn't happen in this house. He beats me when he feels like it and sometimes when I ask, but he retains the power, authority and control regardless of my agony or pleas. There have also been times where I've asked for a beating, then wondered why I just didn't bang my head against the wall instead, because getting what you ask for isn't always a good thing. I get that oh-so-innocent .. "But, this is what you asked for.. aren't you having fun?" [:D] Celeste

ownedgirlie -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 8:50:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69 Does discipline make you more defiant? No, it quiets me and brings me inward. quote: As the ritual of being forced to accept is the deliciousness to them...to the cherry topping of forcibly being taken...to see and feel the defiant nature...resistance to movement..to being told...the attitude is readily apparent and rich. Nothing is forced out of me. I either want to submit or I don't, so I can not relate to this comment. Now, I have whined, whimpered, begged, cried, pouted "I don't like you anymore" (in fun)....but there's no room for defiancy for me. Defiancy leads to discipline. quote: After a while the spanking seems to have made it's presence known ans well as My intent. He usually makes his intent known by his words, lol. I am rarely left guessing.

azzmaster -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 9:07:50 AM)
if discipline makes em more defiant, more than in a playin type way, then they are not a tru sub. lotta fakes out there god knows that don't really know theyselves

servicewithsmile -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 9:18:59 AM)
I'm not a masochist, not even a wee little bit. In the past, my mother was a great one for overdoing the spanking. Spanking and things like it are a hard limit for me. The defiant sulking downright survival attitude it provokes are not in the least the kind of behavior I want to show my dominant, so it's a hard limit and those I would submit to have other unpleasant ways of correcting behavior. As a previous nanny, I was not allowed to spank the kids, nor anything like unto it and never did, but they still minded me better than their parents. I don't think the defiance is a sign that I am a fake, more like a sign that I have been abused in the past by an overzealous parent. Now as for a sensual spanking, bring it on! :)

cjenny -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 9:27:00 AM)
It would make me more defiant only if said punishment was meted out in the form of hugs and cuddling [:D] otherwise noooo way would it make me defy him more.

kittensmailbox -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 9:30:51 AM)
Well i do like to push bottons...

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 9:31:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VeryMercurial Well Sir, I can't speak for the submissives, but I spank for pleasure normally. When I discipline it is not spanking, and it is not so pleasant. i get spanked for pleasure too. so spanking me as a discipline doesn't make me defiant since each whack would only get me more excited and aroused. Daddy knows i have a defiant, stubborn side to me which would love to win a fight against Him. His punishments do make me humble but not defiant unless i TFTB in something that i really want.

bandit25 -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 9:35:33 AM)
You really need to stop with the true (notice the "e" at the end?) stuff. It's getting very annoying.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 10:54:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69 Does discipline make you more defiant? Onle one one or both of the people involved aren't being open and honest and working on the core motivations behind the behaior.

Celeste43 -> RE: Does discipline make you more defiant? (2/18/2007 11:05:03 AM)
By forced to accept it I have to assume that you disagree on whether or not she merited punishment. In that case, I would feel more helpless and yielding immediately afterwards in order to avoid being hit again. However I would resent it and him for acting in a high handed manner, for not having the sense to discuss the issue with me first, and for not listening to me. So although it might make it a better scene for him immediately it would impact the relationship negatively overall. Now if you're talking about deliberately inflicting more pain than someone agreed to and disregarding safewords, I'm sure you would enjoy this at the time but would dislike having her distrust you and refuse to talk to you again afterwards. Plus, if she was involved in a public group, you would not enjoy her telling everyone that you broke hard limits, ignored safewords and proved yourself an untrustworthy person who any sub with any intelligence should avoid in the future. If you meant something else, it was unclear by your post.

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