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Evanesce -> RE: should a Dom be involved? (2/18/2007 9:59:08 PM)

Oooooohhhh, this all makes my head hurt?  Why on earth would ANYONE get involved in someone else's bickering? 




chrissyslave -> RE: should a Dom be involved? (2/19/2007 4:52:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs


My question would be, what was the arguement about by both slaves/submissives.  Sometimes it just needs to be hashed out by the two slaves in the original discussion/topic and or situation.
 
The other question I would ask, is -- Would the dominant be entering into the discussion as a 'friend' verses as a "Dominant" or, is he a Dominant that hates to see a disruption in a household he is a part of.
 
I would see justification in entering the fray per se, if you were creating havoc in my house and disturbing the peace or if I see an arguement that is going out of control and risking the peace between two slaves.
 
So--might be likely, that he entered the fray as a friend more than a Dominant from the later post.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs


I think Lady Hugs really addressed the basic issues here, not the who-done-what-belongs-to-whom-now-or-before given example.  I think when two subs/slaves have the right major focus they first see their direct relationship as a form of mutual support of each other to be better slaves for their dom/master, and secondly for their own well being should be willing to work out any shortcomings in their communications pattern, and level of content.  A pattern would include if they go to the other sub first, or master first regarding relatively smaller concerns, and the content would of course be the exact type of issues to be resolved and how important it is overall.  In general the lower the level of resolution possible the better, and the less involvement/stress on the dom.

The biggest hurddle is when a new girl (or guy) comes in to a well established Master/slave situation (even versus a Dom/sub) since the pattern has been for the previous slave to take everything to the Master, and feels they should take EVERYTHING to the master, and if on a daily basis, and not in contact with the other slave on a daily basis (not 24/7 together or chatting) then the new girl is likely to feel both left out of the communications loop, especially when it regards herself.  Because she cannot or will not be allowed to resolve things directly then she may find she cannot fully trust the first positioned girl, and that she is possibly being subverted in the relationship.  In the most basic terms she cannot "trust" the other girl with as full of self-revelation, and fully trust the whole situation if she is always hearing about things "after the fact" or damage done.

In my view, the new girl is wise in such postions to tread lightly, keep her most important cards in her life to herself, and work on establishing her direct connection with the master.  Of course much depends on the style of the master, and his preferred degree of micro-managing, or not, his (or her) subs/slaves.  Certainly as Sir Michael has stated at times (how many times?...LOL!) that he is not overly taken with on-line relationships (not to mention chat rooms and mentors....or Chawawas...or was that winnie dogs?...smiles). 

One of the things I am trained to do with my management degrees is to look at the organizational chart, but then look at the true communcations flow, to see what is really happening in a group.  If they don't match up well, then it's just a form of self-deception. And reationships that do not have regular face-to-face contact have the largest potential for lack of resolution, even for smaller concerns.  So the less direct the relationships then the more importance for good understandings and communications patterns even if mostly electronically.   But I'm one for trying even difficult arrangements at least once, if the paticipants are intelligent and willing to work on communication styles/flow, and the rewards are high enough with the most minimal collateral damage (including sub/slave body counts.....[:-]).  And when such concerns do arise to get it cleaned up ASAP before it grows or reoccurs. 

In this OP situation if the "fight" is outside of immediate control by the affected sub(s), or unwilling to resolve it on their own, and threaten to cause continued problems then by all means the dom(s) should take steps to resolved it at the appropriate level, which is across the board to the dom of the other girl, which then as they say "s*** flows downhill."...on both sides of the hill.  And I would bet that some of this "fight" was due to some power play or "one is a better dom/sub than him/you" stuff even if indirectly so.  So grow up and get over it girls!  If not, I suggest making them form a mud pit, invite lots of friends over and let them fight it out in there.....but I get the hot dog and beer concession rights!  Hummmm...that gives me an idea for my own.......LOL!

chrissy





LuckyAlbatross -> RE: should a Dom be involved? (2/19/2007 7:25:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chrissyslave
The biggest hurddle is when a new girl (or guy) comes in to a well established Master/slave situation (even versus a Dom/sub) since the pattern has been for the previous slave to take everything to the Master, and feels they should take EVERYTHING to the master, and if on a daily basis, and not in contact with the other slave on a daily basis (not 24/7 together or chatting) then the new girl is likely to feel both left out of the communications loop, especially when it regards herself.  Because she cannot or will not be allowed to resolve things directly then she may find she cannot fully trust the first positioned girl, and that she is possibly being subverted in the relationship.  In the most basic terms she cannot "trust" the other girl with as full of self-revelation, and fully trust the whole situation if she is always hearing about things "after the fact" or damage done.

Well there's a large difference between a situation which happens to be between two slaves, and a situation between two slaves who are in a larger poly relationship together.

Personally for me, I never assume confidentiality when I speak with a slave, and no one should expect it from me when it comes to my partner.  I assume/expect that they will inform their master of anything relevant and that their master will be completely informed.  It would be incredibly wrong and unfair of me to ask a slave to hold ANYTHING in confidentiality towards myself.

Now, a good master also knows that, for the most part, they need to stay out of the problem solving process and force the two to work it out with eachother.  The dom should not become a schoolroom teacher to which everyone runs and tattles on.  Being INFORMED of issues is not the same as actively BEING IN the issues.

It is really hard for a new girl in a poly relationship to feel welcomed and involved.  But as long as everyone is communicating openly, honestly, holding to the commitment they make, being consistent, not letting their insecurities take over (which includes "holding back your cards"), you can make a go of it and feel included.  Yes, there simply always will be that bond which exists between the original master and slave.  But if they are trying to form a NEW bond with you, you have to give it time to grow and everyone to learn how to work in a new situation.




Caitriona -> RE: should a Dom be involved? (2/19/2007 7:51:54 AM)

I do not see any reason for the Dominant to be involved - the issue is between the slave and submissive.  We're supposed to be adults around here, remember?  No running to get your Daddy because someone called you a bad name.  Talk about it, move beyond it...whatever you need to do.

Or as my grandma likes to say, put on your big girl panties and deal with it!




chrissyslave -> RE: should a Dom be involved? (2/19/2007 5:23:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Well there's a large difference between a situation which happens to be between two slaves, and a situation between two slaves who are in a larger poly relationship together......

It is really hard for a new girl in a poly relationship to feel welcomed and involved.  But as long as everyone is communicating openly, honestly, holding to the commitment they make, being consistent, not letting their insecurities take over (which includes "holding back your cards"), you can make a go of it and feel included.  Yes, there simply always will be that bond which exists between the original master and slave.  But if they are trying to form a NEW bond with you, you have to give it time to grow and everyone to learn how to work in a new situation.


Thank you LA for noting the difference in the situation and degree here (I knew I was getting off slightly from this broader poly focus, given different households exist now), and expounding on it.  Iin fact I count on such impute, from you and others, to any response I make here in CM because of:

1.  My own lack of real life M/s experience, so often is extrapolating other/past relationship experience to this lifestyle....or my business experience even.

2.  That any message may naturally be incomplete as to include all the key factors needing due consideration (what is in our heads may not fully come out on paper...or a screen).

3.  An attempt to flesh out any personal areas of concern and hope for some offered insights at times.

4.  Having the benefit of those with much greater experience and insight that I might not step into muddy sinkholes that I simply cannot see before myself, least I find myself in a mud-pit myself to resolve any of my pending issues, or possible future ones, and 

5.  My belief that no matter how well worded that any stated view is by nature does not fully encompass all other possible and relevant views, so that taken as a whole we gain a greater overall perspective on any situation (the ifs, ands, and buts, plus limits and rewards/risks included).

Thank you again, and for your many insights you offer in this group. 

Chrissy 

PS This was a bit longer response than usual for you so feel a bit honored here! 




czarlipet -> RE: should a Dom be involved? (2/19/2007 5:33:20 PM)

Should the dominant get involved in the squabbles of submissives/slaves?

First, Yes or No according to the negotiations of the situation.

My personal opinion... If I am involved in a squabble, then I want the chance to figure it out myself. I want my dominant to intervene if/when it gets out of hand or when I am at a place emotionally or physically that I can't handle it myself. I also want my dominant to intervene if he sees something that I don't, like that the other submissive/slave and myself are acting shamefully and this is reflecting back upon him. Currently, I don't have a dominant. But I do have a Protector and this is what we have negotiated. I also do the same for him. Communication and negotiation is the only way to know who should intervene when.

Czarli




Sinergy -> RE: should a Dom be involved? (2/19/2007 6:05:14 PM)

 
When my unmentionables were younger, they learned very quickly that if they brought their bickering and squabbling to me, the solution I would come up with would do two things

a)  End the problem.

b) Be something neither of them would enjoy.

It was never done with anger, but...

Hypothetically, lets say one of them wanted to watch Power Rangers, and the other one wanted to watch Ren and Stimpy.  They have a knock down, drag out argument and come sharing the waterworks and screaming with me.

The Television would get a time out (usually 24 hours) in the garage.

End of problem.

Sinergy




Sinergy -> RE: should a Dom be involved? (2/19/2007 6:06:49 PM)

Oh, to relate that to the original post.

Sure, bring your bickering and squabbling to me and I will handle it.

You probably wont enjoy the solution I come up with, however.

Sinergy




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